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  • GangGreen712
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    Originally posted by ehbowen View Post

    Thanks, that's very helpful. After a quick search I think I'll write in that the detective is carrying a S&W M&P Shield .40...with one backup clip. The officers came to the site not expecting any trouble, after all.
    It's your book, but if I were writing it, and based on my experience with guns, I'd have him carrying a M&P subcompact (M&P40c) at least. The Shield is an off duty/back up gun. The M&P40c is as well, but the fact that it holds 4 more rounds and is a bit easier to shoot (in my, and many shooters' opinion) make it much more suitable as a primary sidearm for plainclothes guys. Also, even if a cop is not "expecting trouble" if he's on duty, he's going to carry more than 12 rounds on him most likely (and the .40 Shield only holds 6 rounds in the magazine). Two mags for the M&Pc would give him 20 rounds. I've seen quite a few detectives and command staff supervisors carrying M&P Subcompacts, Glock subcompacts, etc. Haven't seen any carrying Glock 43s, Shields, etc, as their primary sidearm. Just my opinion, but again, it's your story.

    Also, remember "magazine" not "clip". Clips are for M1 Garands.

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  • ehbowen
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    Thanks for the info. I'll find a way to work with it.

    Edit To Add: I think I'll have the detective on his cell phone, talking to another detective also assigned to the case and familiar with it, about what they have found (while touring the facility with the consent of the plant manager) with the aim of having the other detective run down to the judge and obtain a search warrant for the closed area when the shooting starts. That should get the ball rolling....
    Last edited by ehbowen; 04-07-2019, 08:54 PM.

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  • reils49
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    In reality, you are going to call dispatch on your phone, or someone will hear gunshots and call it in. Yeah we are issued a portable, but it’s either in my trunk or on my desk unless we are out doing something. I’m not taking it out to work a case.

    When you’re in plainclothes, the odds of you having a “panic button” available are slim. Besides, “panic buttons” are unreliable and nobody comes running to them anyway. You’re going to get 20 minutes of radio checks, before a patrol gets to your location and finds you.

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  • ehbowen
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    Originally posted by reils49 View Post

    Most plainclothes cops I know, including myself, prefer to carry a smaller gun. Stick with a subcompact or compact, Glock or S&W. 9, 40 or 45. No shoulder holsters.
    Thanks, that's very helpful. After a quick search I think I'll write in that the detective is carrying a S&W M&P Shield .40...with one backup clip. The officers came to the site not expecting any trouble, after all.

    Which now brings up the subject of communications. I do want the detective to get the word out...but, after he takes out the hothead who wounds his boss (using one clip in the process), he finds himself surrounded by Mr. Big and his henchmen who say, "Drop that gun, and let's talk." What would be ideal is if the detective has something analogous to a "panic button" that he can press inconspicuously and reflexively which will alert someone (dispatcher?) and give his location but not give details. These are narcotics officers, after all...they ought to have some way to signal when a deal goes bad. Since this was planned as a routine visit it might be assumed it was activated by mistake...but I would want at least one unit to be dispatched in order to investigate.

    Without getting into details which ought to remain confidential, how might such a scenario unfold in real life?

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  • reils49
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    Originally posted by ehbowen View Post

    Let me rephrase the question this way: Assuming department policy allows officers leeway in choice of sidearms, if you were to find yourself in such a situation while carrying concealed in plain clothes, what would you prefer to have as a weapon? (Sorry, the plasma rifle and the Ma Deuce are both unavailable....)
    Most plainclothes cops I know, including myself, prefer to carry a smaller gun. Stick with a subcompact or compact, Glock or S&W. 9, 40 or 45. No shoulder holsters.

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  • ehbowen
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    Originally posted by GangGreen712 View Post

    There is no one answer to this. Honestly, you can use your imagination because this varies so greatly from department from department. Some have a one size fits all policy: Everyone from the rookie to the chief carries the same gear, no exception. Many, maybe most, will authorize detectives and command staff to carry a compact or subcompact version of the standard issue pistol; ex. patrol officers carry the Glock 17 while the detectives carry the 19 or 26. Other PDs allow, or require, all their officers to purchase a pistol for duty from an authorized list of companies and models.

    If you want to know what's probably the most common these days, I'd go with some kind of mid-size pistol like a Glock 19 or Smith & Wesson M&P Compact.
    Thanks. Well, sorry to telegraph too much, but in the story there's going to be a shootout. The narcotics officers are going to accidentally come across the Big Room where the drugs are being handled along with a hotheaded thug who adamantly doesn't want to go back to prison. He seriously injures the plainclothes lieutenant, not realizing at first that there is another (two others?) detective with him. Let me rephrase the question this way: Assuming department policy allows officers leeway in choice of sidearms, if you were to find yourself in such a situation while carrying concealed in plain clothes, what would you prefer to have as a weapon? (Sorry, the plasma rifle and the Ma Deuce are both unavailable....)

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  • GangGreen712
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    Originally posted by ehbowen View Post
    What might be a likely weapon for such a detective to carry concealed during a plainclothes investigation?
    There is no one answer to this. Honestly, you can use your imagination because this varies so greatly from department from department. Some have a one size fits all policy: Everyone from the rookie to the chief carries the same gear, no exception. Many, maybe most, will authorize detectives and command staff to carry a compact or subcompact version of the standard issue pistol; ex. patrol officers carry the Glock 17 while the detectives carry the 19 or 26. Other PDs allow, or require, all their officers to purchase a pistol for duty from an authorized list of companies and models.

    If you want to know what's probably the most common these days, I'd go with some kind of mid-size pistol like a Glock 19 or Smith & Wesson M&P Compact.

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  • SunDevil
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    A flask.....

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  • BiteThePullet
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    Originally posted by just joe View Post
    A Colt Detective Special with a bobbed hammer, and two Bianchi Speed Strips in the jacket pocket. Anything else and your character is a poser.
    I want to do this so I can feel like a nostalgic badass like you

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  • reils49
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    Originally posted by just joe View Post
    A Colt Detective Special with a bobbed hammer, and two Bianchi Speed Strips in the jacket pocket. Anything else and your character is a poser.
    Sipowicz never needed more than 5.

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  • just joe
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    A Colt Detective Special with a bobbed hammer, and two Bianchi Speed Strips in the jacket pocket. Anything else and your character is a poser.

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  • John from Maryland
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    It varies from department to department. Detectives may carry standard service pistols or perhaps the compact version of the same. Covert units may carry non-standard firearms during undercover operations or perhaps routinely.

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  • ehbowen
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    What might be a likely weapon for such a detective to carry concealed during a plainclothes investigation?

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  • westside popo
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    Originally posted by ehbowen View Post
    Additional question: Would it be believable for the personnel office to state that it is their policy to only release information about an employee through legal counsel, unless the officers have a warrant? And if the officers have a "gut feeling" that something is fishy, would it be in character for them to withhold the fact that they in fact have an arrest warrant until after that has been clearly stated?
    No it won't be believable for only "legal counsel " to release employee info.

    Companies vary on the topic from release the stuff when ever LE asks for it to only if they have a subpeana, warrant or court order. Some may not have an official policy and it may be up to who has the authority to release such info.

    Sometimes it depends on who you ask and how you ask for it.

    Some companies won't allow LE in thier facility to question any employee. But will likely grant access if the LEO has an arrest warrant.

    Announcing you have an arrest warrant for an employee may or may not be a good idea depending on the circumstances. Sometimes I tell people, sometimes I don't until I'm ready to put the cuffs on them.
    Last edited by westside popo; 02-26-2019, 01:56 AM.

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  • CCCSD
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    Dude, really, it’s a book, not a training manual or legal brief. You are asking for us to provide free services and write your key points for you.

    Just write it the way you want to and ensure it flows. You’ll be fine.

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