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    Read the papers and it's becoming more clear that a future Biblical-size apocalyptic event is looming ever so closer. Nuke arsenals are growing, rivals are saber rattling more, and tensions are increasing over a dozen or so hot button issues that could quickly devolve into international chaos. Even a domestic civil war, something no one would dream could ever happen again, is starting to get serious consideration:



    The nuke thing is starting to become a real fear, like it was in 1984. For the Millennials here, back during the Cold War, there was a very palpable sense of being one disagreement away from nuclear Armageddon. I remember annual drills at school where alarms would go off and classes would suddenly and orderly evacuate to the steam tunnels beneath the school. "Why are we doing this?", I once asked the principal. "In case a nuclear weapon gets dropped on our town", he answered. The collective childhood memory those exercises created for millions of Gen Xers: get to the basement kids before a nuke turns you into a shadow and a pile of dust.

    The nuke threat ebbed for many years, to the degree no one talked much about it. But it's more real than ever, the stakes are higher than ever, and the shifting geo-political sands are less stable than ever. I recently found a website that shows how one will fare if a warhead land in your area. For most of the russian arsenal, based on my location and distance to nearest critical targets, I'm dealing with broken windows (unless a 100,000 kiloton Tsar bomb hits the nearest big city, then I am toast).

    NUKEMAP is a mapping mash-up that calculates the effects of the detonation of a nuclear bomb.


    I'm no hardcore prepper but I do want a basic cache of supplies. Whenever a big storm is predicted for my area, the local grocery store is practically emptied of fresh foods and staples like eggs and bread. And I have no confidence the civil authorities or charities like the Red Cross will be in a position to render assistance like they typically do during natural disasters. Those of us who survive the initial volleys will be on our own.

    I have about six weeks worth of freeze dried food, several rolls of visqueen plastic to cover broken windows, and a small arsenal to fend off any roaming bandits. I also have a simple commode made out of a five gallon bucket and an old toilet seat since going outside won't be an option until the radioactive material gets blown out by the windstream. But I'm concerned I may not be thinking this through and coming up with a comprehensive assessment of necessary resources. I defer to those who have a head start on me when it comes to preparing for the unthinkable--
    When the wolf tells the story, the shepard is the enemy.

  • #2
    So my 3 cans of beans, 4 bottles of water and and tube of toothpaste wont cut it?

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    • #3
      Yea I too share in your concerns. I have recently bought a house on five acres and out in the country. I have at least a years worth of emergency food for me and my family. I'm on a well so if the grid goes down I have a generator that connects to the well to keep it going. Also keeps the power on as well in the house. I have a fire place and plenty of firewood in an area where wood is plentiful as well. I also have ducks and chickens, which provide eggs and meat later if need be. I also have a small amount of firearms and a lot of ammo/bullet proof vests. Gold/silver coins, bottles of booze, some medical supplies and trying to acquire antibiotics.

      The way I see it is, one must be prepared always and you must have the five fundamentals to preserving life:

      1. Water (my well)
      2. Heat/Power (my fireplace, generator and propane tank)
      3. Food (at the very least three months worth)
      4. Security (guns/ammo)
      5. Bartering items (think things that you would value if you could not get them anymore, i.e. booze, antibiotics, ammo, gold/silver, gas etc. etc.)

      Having those five things above will help you to be self sufficient when the enevitable happens.

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      • Radio Raheem
        Radio Raheem commented
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        What about a knife and ferro rod?

    • #4
      Being in LA, even northern LA will be a nightmare. I have food water and a ton of ammo plus go bags if we need to leave on foot.

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      • #5
        Be prepared to shoot move and communicate, along with the 1000 sub tasks involved in those 3 areas. I have 30 days work of food for my family, comms, alternative power sources and plenty of defensive tools. If society does not return in 30 days, its all a lost cause.

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        • #6
          If society does not return in 30 days, its all a lost cause.
          I totally get that.

          Heaven forbid, if any type of nuclear exchange were to happen, things would be bad. And if entire arsenals were to unload, hundreds of millions would perish in minutes and billions would die during the aftermath from starvation. First world countries would become humanless toxic piles of rubble and the only hope for the continuation of the human race would be the inhabitants of places like Bora Bora and Tasmania. Like I said, Heaven forbid.

          But there are various scenarios that could play out, such as a limited volley using lower yield weapons intended to take out critical infrastructure, not wipe out the human race. Which means there would be a period of chaos which could last for some time before the rebuilding begins and order returns. Surviving such a scenario is what I am focusing on, albeit with limited resources. I'd love to build an underground bomb shelter in my yard with septic and ventilation but that's not reality. However I do believe a person with a .22 rifle who knows how to quarter a squirrel will fare better than the person waiting for the Red Cross to deliver a box of food and a few rolls visqueen and duct tape can temporarily solve very real problems.

          The notion of a civil war seems unlikely but this country is a tinder box right now and if a spark landed in the right spot, who knows how high the flames could get. I really can't visualize how it would play out though... massive civilian armies rising up against each other? Or small seditionist militias like the hayseeds in Oregon? The Have vs. Have Nots? Urban vs. Rural? MAGA Loyalists vs. Antifa socialists? Isolated squirmishes which are quickly extinguished or extended fighting between factions like Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, and all the other endless conflicts?

          When the wolf tells the story, the shepard is the enemy.

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          • #7
            What I think is the more probable, Shat Hits the Fan (SHTF) scenario is one of the three or all three at the same time:

            Financial collapse

            EMP attack

            Dirty bomb set off in a major city.

            The debt this country is in, is unsustainable. The North Koreans, Russians and Chinese all have the EMP bomb capable of taking out America's power grid or stragegic areas of the grid. With open borders and the allowing of anyone unvetted entering our country can easily bring in a dirty bomb and set it off in a major city.

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            • Radio Raheem
              Radio Raheem commented
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              Heaven forbid an EMP attack.

          • #8
            "I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad."


            https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.5b86c5e2eb07


            I know it's high hyperbole, and we're pretty much inured to it, but I also know people who take statements like this as a Garryowen rally for battle....
            When the wolf tells the story, the shepard is the enemy.

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            • #9
              Originally posted by Ratatatat View Post
              "I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad."



              https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.5b86c5e2eb07


              I know it's high hyperbole, and we're pretty much inured to it, but I also know people who take statements like this as a Garryowen rally for battle....
              I agree with Trump's statement. Also, if there was a civil war in this country, I can guarantee which side would win. Same for if there was an invasion from a foreign military.

              Most Trump supporters are either, active duty military, veterans, cops/firefighters, fathers/mothers who are tough and willing to fight to the death to save their families (not a blanket statement of course, there are those Hilary voters that check those boxes too), albeit fewer than Trump supporters. The point being, those citizen's who have the necessary training and skills think along the same line as what Trump is trying to do in this country and are willing to put those skills to work if need be.

              It would definitely take something drastic to happen before we as Americans stand up to the tyranny. But I believe in the silent majority.

              A rallying cry from Americans that started in the Revolutionary War, which intensified during World War II was, "American's will always fight for liberty!" This is my opinion is a very true statement.

              A new and modern rallying cry has emerged along with the old, "Where we go one, we go all, Americans will always fight for liberty!"
              Last edited by SOCAleo; 03-15-2019, 11:10 AM.

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              • #10
                Originally posted by SOCAleo View Post



                Most Trump supporters are either, active duty military, veterans, cops/firefighters, fathers/mothers who are tough and willing to fight to the death to save their families (not a blanket statement of course, there are those Hilary voters that check those boxes too), albeit fewer than Trump supporters.
                Unfortunately, this is telling about how polarized we are as a country right now. "You're either pro Trump or you're pro Hillary." What about people who are neither? Hillary was 3 years ago, and she's not running again. How is she still relevant?
                I frequently vote Republican (except in local elections, where there are no Republicans running). But Trump is unacceptable to me. I welcome Trump's defeat or, more likely, the end of his second term. I will most likely vote for whoever runs against him. But that doesn't mean I'm a Democrat, Antifa, Communist, or liberal. I just want a reset. Also, what about people like Mattis who have all but publicly denounced Trump? A year ago, Mattis was a conservative hero. A bonafide ***-kicker who made our country proud. And now, simply because he defied Trump, he's "sort of a Democrat" (Trump's words).

                If you voted for Trump, your man was fairly elected. But that doesn't mean Hillary is the only alternative. It also doesn't mean Trump's opposition has any desire for armed revolution. I don't have a huge problem with anything that Trump has actually done while in office. I have a problem with his rhetoric and what it seems to be doing to the people in this country. I think a large segment of the liberals truly believe that anyone who supports Trump is a racist or fascist, and the conservatives believe that anyone who defies Trump is a communist.

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                • #11
                  On the actual topic, I'm not well prepared for any kind of major collapse. I read and enjoyed the fiction series "One Second After". It's a very dark take on what would happen. Although it is fiction, it does get you thinking about the aftermath, and it's not pretty. It seems a daunting task to take a measured approach to this disaster prepping. I'm not willing to sell my house and sacrifice everything my family and I enjoy in order to move into an off-grid underground bunker. But I wouldn't mind having a plan to at least get us through a couple months if we don't die immediately.

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                  • #12
                    Originally posted by allen_gamble View Post

                    Unfortunately, this is telling about how polarized we are as a country right now. "You're either pro Trump or you're pro Hillary." What about people who are neither? Hillary was 3 years ago, and she's not running again. How is she still relevant?
                    I frequently vote Republican (except in local elections, where there are no Republicans running). But Trump is unacceptable to me. I welcome Trump's defeat or, more likely, the end of his second term. I will most likely vote for whoever runs against him. But that doesn't mean I'm a Democrat, Antifa, Communist, or liberal. I just want a reset. Also, what about people like Mattis who have all but publicly denounced Trump? A year ago, Mattis was a conservative hero. A bonafide ***-kicker who made our country proud. And now, simply because he defied Trump, he's "sort of a Democrat" (Trump's words).

                    If you voted for Trump, your man was fairly elected. But that doesn't mean Hillary is the only alternative. It also doesn't mean Trump's opposition has any desire for armed revolution. I don't have a huge problem with anything that Trump has actually done while in office. I have a problem with his rhetoric and what it seems to be doing to the people in this country. I think a large segment of the liberals truly believe that anyone who supports Trump is a racist or fascist, and the conservatives believe that anyone who defies Trump is a communist.
                    I'm not saying Trump is the perfect president, but his policies definitely are helping to "right the ship." What's the other alternative? You can't put your hope in a politician, but you can put your hope in the ideals that founded and made this country great.

                    Self determination
                    Freedom of speech/religion
                    Gun ownership for self protection
                    Reliant upon ones self not the government for all of your needs
                    The ability to be as successful or as unsuccessful as you so desire, and to keep what you have earned with minimal taxation
                    Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
                    The ability to vote and project your policies into the government

                    The founders were geniuses, they thought what is the best way for everyone to be as successful as possible. The answer was, get out of the individuals way and allow him/her to be whatever they desire. Who else is better to provide for you and know your needs but yourself. The government cannot do it because a one size fits all policy will eventually lead to only a few being provided for because there is not enough for everyone else. Humanity is inherently selfish and the haves will take care of themselves and have nots will get nothing/forgotten. So only you can best determine your need and provide it. "To each his own according to his needs."

                    What does the other side have to offer?

                    Welfare
                    No freedom of speech due to political correctness. No freedom of religion unless it is a certain religion (i.e. Muslim)
                    The taking away of people's gun ownership little by little till its gone
                    Government to provide your living wage, medical care etc. etc.
                    Burdensome regulations to the point that you cannot build a small business or even get into the profiting/capitalist process
                    Abortion on demand, no liberty due to onerous laws on your speech, activity and work. That surely does not bring happiness.
                    You may still vote but the politicians will just ignore your vote because they don't agree with the outcome. Look at what our dear leader Gavin Newsom just did. He just decreed the death penalty gone in California. It's funny because the majority of California voters recently voted to uphold the death penalty. I thought we were a country that was "For the people and by the people." When we vote for something it should be law. It should not be taken away by some elitist politician, are we a Monarchy again? Think of what else could just be written off of the books that voters wanted.

                    Whether it be Hillary or whoever, the left is for out and out socialism and the right is for what the founders intended in this free nation.

                    Polarizing or not, its your choice which side you want to be on. Polarization will always exist when you have two profound differences. If we all agreed on what the constitution said, which is very plainly written, then there would be no polarization.

                    You must ask yourself, How did this country become the greatest nation that has ever existed on this planet? Well you need to look at the past to see the present. The past shows the foundation and policies made by the founding fathers, which is the direct cause for the greatness. Why would anyone deviate from those policies?

                    Look at the alternative, socialism, what great nation did it create? Why would we be so stupid to think that if we try it we will have a different outcome?

                    Anyway, back on topic. Be prepared the best way you can. Because we are heading towards total tyranny if we continue on this path and the ultimate outcome is either civil war or total subjugation. Either one of those spells dire consequences and those unprepared will be left begging for the government to save them, or begging from those who prepared. I wouldn't want to be in that position especially if resources are few. The government will rank you based upon your usefulness in the new society, your neighbor will consider you just another mouth to feed. Believe me, their immediate family and their own person will take priority.

                    But hey, I could be totally wrong. We may just continue down this path with no issues for all eternity. However, I have yet to see a nation that has always existed at its height of power. We shall see. If I'm wrong well then I got a lot of emergency stuff for the hell of it, but if I'm right I will be prepared for what's to come. Either way, I win.

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                    • allen_gamble
                      allen_gamble commented
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                      I think you completely missed what I was saying. And looking back at my post, I wasn't very explicit. So, my fault. What I mean is there are alternatives to Trump that are not Democrats or Hillary or Socialism. Your summary of conservative values is all fine and good. I agree with many of them.. as do many Republican politicians who are not Trump. It's short sighted to paint anyone whose views diverge Trump's as a socialist or a Democrat. I don't understand why you keep brining up "the Left" as if I was somehow advocating on behalf of liberals. I look forward to (most likely 4 years from now) voting for a Republican that is not Trump. I recognize that Trump's reelection is probably inevitable, and I'm o.k. with that. He has the tremendous support of the majority of this country. I just wonder how much of that support is based on fear of Hillary as the alternative instead of asking if Trump is really the best the Republican party has to offer.

                  • #13
                    My concern, having once lived in a part of the country with a 'militia' presence, is the rhetoric could lead to some type of isolated clash which could lead to a larger, more widespread outbreak of civil unrest, which could lead to all out mayhem and breakdown of the basic fabric that holds society together. While I think it's highly unlikely, there's a lot of things I once thought were highly unlikely to happen, which ended up happening (10 year bull run in the stock market, a reunited Guns N Roses, U Maryland-Baltimore beating Virginia last year in the NCAA tournament, etc.) Hence this thread, in case the highly unlikely ends up happening.

                    I submit what occurred in Oregon in 2016 as a possible harbinger, where a charismatic rancher from Nevada put out the call for arms on behalf of two ranchers in Oregon imprisoned for arson. Who heeded? A hodgepodge of militia/patriot/sov cit groups from across the pacific northwest, all united in purpose: armed takeover of a public facility with demands for release from prison. A few of the participants went to prison after that incident, but many did not, and ultimately their demand was met by pardons in 2018. Now granted that was an isolated incident in an isolated place with a limited number of people, but it serves as an example of how an angry beckoning can lead to armed seditionists amassing on behalf of a cause.

                    Btw, I used to drive by a compound of a militia leader (when I say 'compound', I mean an old house with a bunch of old cars in the yard and when I say 'militia leader', I mean an internet warrior who rants and raves into the void). A sign in the front yard asked people to tune their radios to 89.5FM, and for a couple of miles, one could listen to his pirate radio station. It was mostly Alt-right conspiracy gibberish piped in from who knows where; anonymous voices with dire warnings about the New World Order, the Tri-Lateral Commission, bar codes on the back of highway signs to guide UN troops, Blackhawk helicopters on the Canadian border, blah blah. What struck me the most though were the frequent recruitment pleas for police and active or former military to join the cause- "we need your help in protecting this country from adversaries, foreign and domestic." That, my friends, is how seeds get planted that someday may grow into vines of poison ivy...
                    When the wolf tells the story, the shepard is the enemy.

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                    • #14
                      Originally posted by Ratatatat View Post
                      My concern, having once lived in a part of the country with a 'militia' presence, is the rhetoric could lead to some type of isolated clash which could lead to a larger, more widespread outbreak of civil unrest, which could lead to all out mayhem and breakdown of the basic fabric that holds society together. …....

                      This shatstain makes it clear in his manifesto that what you describe is exactly what he wants and is the precise motivation for doing what he did......
                      A gunman killed 49 Muslims and injured dozens after he opened fire on a mosque in New Zealand on Friday. He used two semi-automatic guns, two shotguns and a lever action firearm.
                      Harry S. Truman, (1884-1972)
                      “Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.”

                      Capt. E.J. Land USMC,
                      “Just remember – life is hard. But it’s one hell of a lot harder if you’re stupid.

                      George Washington, (1732-1799)
                      "I hope I shall possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man."

                      Originally posted by Country_Jim
                      ... Thus far, I am rooting for the zombies.

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                      • #15
                        11 minutes well spent in consideration of Christchurch...….
                         
                        Harry S. Truman, (1884-1972)
                        “Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.”

                        Capt. E.J. Land USMC,
                        “Just remember – life is hard. But it’s one hell of a lot harder if you’re stupid.

                        George Washington, (1732-1799)
                        "I hope I shall possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man."

                        Originally posted by Country_Jim
                        ... Thus far, I am rooting for the zombies.

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