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  • EmmaPeel
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    Originally posted by Carbonfiberfoot View Post
    I'm quite aware of the atrocities that ISIS has committed. However, I haven't forgotten that ~6 million Jewish people needlessly died at the hands of the Nazi's during the Final Solution. I know that ISIS would do the same if they could, but the Nazi's actually did it, and they did it to people who weren't even engaged in warfare with them. If video footage existed of the millions of Jewish women and children clawing at the walls of gas chambers, I don't think you'd be so quick to claim that one faction is 'worse' than the other.

    The world simply has no place for some twisted ideologies, and ISIS more than qualifies as one of them that needs to go.

    Now, now, Carbie cakes. No need to talk to me like I'm a naïve loony bin liberal 14 year old emotional girl. I assure you I'm not a loony liberal.

    But what I am is someone that's been in almost every country of the Middle East. And if I wasn't actually living/visiting in the remaining countries, I've stood on the borders or stood on heightened land looking into or over the other few except for Saudi Arabia.

    I've also been to Auschwitz, where my military-history-major ex-husband of German descent helped me as someone of Polish descent relive what the Jews and Poles went through in that camp as we toured it. Or did you forget that millions of Poles also died at the hands of Nazis as well?

    So spare me the condescension.

    You can disagree by posting with counter factual points, but don't f*cking talk to me like I'm 14 years old. Get it? Got it? Good.

    I'm telling you that ISIS is worse and we can just agree to disagree because you're not offering up a damn thing to change my mind.
    Last edited by EmmaPeel; 02-08-2015, 10:52 AM.

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  • CCCSD
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    Not every soldier was a Nazi either. You make a great point.

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  • Rudy8116
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    Once again, not every Nazi soldier would or did commit atrocities. Every member if isis believes in killing innocent people.

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  • Carbonfiberfoot
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    Originally posted by EmmaPeel View Post
    Carb, bud, I tend to agree with you on economics but not on foreign policy or anything military related.

    Let's start with you saying they expected a reaction and got it. Um, no. They expected to intimidate members of the Coalition as they've been doing (like our fearless leader) for some time now, hoping to make us or allies back off, and were hoping to divide Jordanians. The exact opposite happened.

    They certainly both need to be put down but we'll have to agree to disagree on whether ISIS is worst. Do some research on beadings of children, crucifixions of children in the public square, unspeakable actions to women, and tying gay Muslims to chairs and ceremoniously throwing them off of tall buildings for example.
    I'm quite aware of the atrocities that ISIS has committed. However, I haven't forgotten that ~6 million Jewish people needlessly died at the hands of the Nazi's during the Final Solution. I know that ISIS would do the same if they could, but the Nazi's actually did it, and they did it to people who weren't even engaged in warfare with them. If video footage existed of the millions of Jewish women and children clawing at the walls of gas chambers, I don't think you'd be so quick to claim that one faction is 'worse' than the other.

    The world simply has no place for some twisted ideologies, and ISIS more than qualifies as one of them that needs to go.
    Last edited by Carbonfiberfoot; 02-07-2015, 03:14 PM.

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  • Iowa #1603
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    Originally posted by dauntless89 View Post
    Assuming she actually did die in the airstrike (yeah, I'm skeptical too) I'm sure getting blown up by a missile was preferable to whatever ISIS had in mind.
    #1. I don't believe ISIS at all ...............doubt it happened that way

    #2. For all intents and purposes she was dead the moment she was captured

    #3 As someone who actually spent considerable time over a period of 30 years contemplating the chances of being taken hostage I KNOW that I would much rather be killed in the attempt to rescue me than wait around thinking about what the captors had in mind for me . Nearly every co-worker thought the same.

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  • Meizele_15481
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    Originally posted by Aerohead View Post
    One of my uncles was a Paratrooper during WWII. I really wish I could have picked his brain before he died. Unfortunately, I was young and dumb (17) and thought other things were more important.
    Ah yes, the mind of a teenager


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  • Meizele_15481
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    http://nypost.com/2015/02/07/jordan-...wipe-out-isis/

    Way to go Jordan!


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  • Aerohead
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    Originally posted by Meizele_15481 View Post
    My grandfather chooses not to discuss anything from before 1950 when he came to the US after the war so there is little my family as well knows about our ancestors. I truly wish he did talk about it more so I can know what pre-war Europe was like.

    And interestingly as well my family came from Germany to the United States in the early 1700's. I've always wanted to find others with history in the US when our great country was taking shape.
    One of my uncles was a Paratrooper during WWII. I really wish I could have picked his brain before he died. Unfortunately, I was young and dumb (17) and thought other things were more important.

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  • Aerohead
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    Originally posted by jhall View Post
    Can we all put together a funding to finance him for 2016 elections here stateside?!?
    He can't be President - he wasn't even born here!

    ......oh wait, nevermind....

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  • Meizele_15481
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    As Predicted, ISIS Takes It To The Next Level

    Originally posted by dauntless89 View Post
    Yeah. I understand the reluctance to share from anyone somewhat connected to Nazi Germany, but both sides of her family are like that. Even the other side that has lived here since well before the Revolution. Whatever floats their boat I guess. The only problem is my wife wants to know all about her ancestors and the family isn't super stoked to cooperate.

    Personally I think genealogy is fascinating. My earliest ancestor to set foot on New World soil was brought over from England as an indentured servant in the early 1700s. Later ancestors fought in both the Revolutionary and Civil wars. I'm a history junkie and luckily my grandfather enjoys talking about his growing-up years. He has neat stories from commercial salmon fishing off the coast of California as a teenager in the 40s, being one of the first helicopter mechanics in the Army in the 50s, and from his time on the CHP in the 60s, among many other things.

    I agree about ISIS's strategy backfiring. The worst thing an insurgency can do is alienate the people they're claiming to be freedom-fighting for. I'm sure the issue is more convoluted than I'm comprehending, but from what I gather it sounds like they're so gung-ho on Islam fundamentalism they are functionally ****ing in everyone's corn flakes one way or another.
    My grandfather chooses not to discuss anything from before 1950 when he came to the US after the war so there is little my family as well knows about our ancestors. I truly wish he did talk about it more so I can know what pre-war Europe was like.

    And interestingly as well my family came from Germany to the United States in the early 1700's. I've always wanted to find others with history in the US when our great country was taking shape.


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    Last edited by Meizele_15481; 02-06-2015, 06:53 PM.

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  • So Fla Cop
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    It is all a lie.......she has probably been sold off already.

    “The failed Jordanian aircraft killed an American female hostage,” the message declared. “No mujahid (ISIS fighter) was injured in the bombardment, and all praise is due to Allah.”

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  • So Fla Cop
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    The bombs in that video have the same graffiti as the NYC subways.

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  • dauntless89
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    Yeah. I understand the reluctance to share from anyone somewhat connected to Nazi Germany, but both sides of her family are like that. Even the other side that has lived here since well before the Revolution. Whatever floats their boat I guess. The only problem is my wife wants to know all about her ancestors and the family isn't super stoked to cooperate.

    Personally I think genealogy is fascinating. My earliest ancestor to set foot on New World soil was brought over from England as an indentured servant in the early 1700s. Later ancestors fought in both the Revolutionary and Civil wars. I'm a history junkie and luckily my grandfather enjoys talking about his growing-up years. He has neat stories from commercial salmon fishing off the coast of California as a teenager in the 40s, being one of the first helicopter mechanics in the Army in the 50s, and from his time on the CHP in the 60s, among many other things.

    I agree about ISIS's strategy backfiring. The worst thing an insurgency can do is alienate the people they're claiming to be freedom-fighting for. I'm sure the issue is more convoluted than I'm comprehending, but from what I gather it sounds like they're so gung-ho on Islam fundamentalism they are functionally ****ing in everyone's corn flakes one way or another.

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  • JasperST
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    Originally posted by dauntless89 View Post
    Okay... I see where you're going and won't argue most of those points. However, I'm not going to entertain for a second the notion that the Nazis didn't engage in similarly-effective methods of humiliation and psychological warfare with so-called "undesirables." It's just harder to know about because of the nature in which these activities were carried out. The two concessions I'll make is that the obvious social media aspects relevant to the ISIS thing made the efforts of the humiliation that much more effective, and that I don't have as well-developed an understanding of honor's place in Middle Eastern society as some do, so I see some validity in that argument.

    My wife's family has Hebrew roots in Austria. Her family doesn't talk much about their ancestors, but I was able to learn that they were high-society aristocrats who personally knew Wilhelm Kaiser, apparently well enough for the children to address him as "Onkel Willie." They immigrated to America after hearing through the grapevine sometime in the mid '30s that it would be a good idea to get out of Dodge.
    My mom grew up in Nazi Germany and that generation doesn't talk much about it, period. Same with WW2 or Korea vets here. It's a different day and age now and ISIS is wanting to capitalize on it but they're too ideologically driven to understand it's backfiring on them.

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  • dauntless89
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    Assuming she actually did die in the airstrike (yeah, I'm skeptical too) I'm sure getting blown up by a missile was preferable to whatever ISIS had in mind.

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