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  • 99 Fenix
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    M-11
    I was thinking the exact same thing through this whole thread.
    RIP.
    Fenix



    Originally posted by M-11 View Post
    It's nice they did this stuff for him.

    But...

    I would rather they had used the money to try and improve the llife of a living hard luck vet.

    M-11

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  • Kieth M.
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    Sully, thanks for sharing that story...

    ...even with your own special style of communication. I still got through it.

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  • asullivan
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    Ummmm..

    Thar' is a place called Phonex Arizona, thar' was a homless Vet. that went by tha' name of Tennesee, that because that was where he was from..

    His real name was Albert Lee Dean..Rank E-8 Sevice #116-05-1168.

    Albert Lee Dean was born 7-26-38 and kicked tha' bucket 12-11-06..

    He preffered ta; live "outside" rather be tied down... He drank beer, no dope, smoked tobacco.

    He was a veracious reader, preferred Louis Lamar...and lived in a "Hobo camp"
    At tha' NE corner of McDowell road and 83rd street....He lived wiyh about 5-8 other hobos...He seemed to "seep" up to tha' top and became thar' unofficial leader........

    I bought him a room when I first discovered Tennesee....I went back ta' check on him..Wrong move Sully..
    He did not take a lik'in to roofs I suppose, found him curled up like a caT outside tha' door a few hours later....

    One day I brought him home when my Chinese concubine was not thar'....He liked Trigger, and suprisingly enough, Trigger liked him..

    I found out he was allergic ta' fish, liver, and mushrooms....

    One day In mid November i did not see my friend... So I rode to tha' V.A. hospital on Indian School Rd.... I used ta' take him thar alot fer different thangs...

    A pretty girl told me that he had been discharged a few day befer........I So, I went back ta base camp and inquired with "Pops"... Pops did not see Tennesee.... I Trigger and I looked and inquired all over. We had hot leads that went cold.... Day after day, then weeks....Trigger seemed nervous like..

    Fer some damned reason I looked in tha' dead peoples section and it said, I qoute...


    "Albert Dean 49, of Phoenix Arizona passed away December 11th 2006. If anyone has any information please contact Harper Funeral Home at 602-243-3961."

    He was found drowned in tha' canal... alone, without much friends and no family...I had lost a friend and tha' country had lost a patriot...

    I will always miss Tennessee,... I buried him in tha' VA Memorial cemetary North of Phoenix Were many more soldiers lay.... Thar' were two people from tha' funeral home and myself... That was it, Three people..

    I said a few words, and the two people gave me tha' flag that draped his coffin....

    I also have a book he gave me and Trig...It was written by Petet MacDonald on tha' history of tha' Special Forces..Thats what Tennesse did, He Jumped 73 times out of aircraft and fought in tha' jungles of Viet Nam and Cambodia...

    This is tha' first time I have ever communicated this story...BTWm Albert was a Christian, and prayed fer Eddie Long everyday, Eddie was K.I.A. and Albrts best friend in tha' jungles...
    Last edited by asullivan; 09-24-2009, 11:42 PM. Reason: secret stuff, very secret

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  • Looker
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    Originally posted by Taylor13 View Post
    Wait, what?
    He's talking about Bill Clinton, Taylor.

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  • Monkeybomb
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    I have a large amount of friends that were in Vietnam. Not many of them have positive stories about returning home. Dad is still angry about being called a baby killer and spit on. Similar experience from 4 of my other friends.

    As far as the Soldier that was murdered I don't know and I was fairly young when it happened. We have talked about it because it bothers him. To go through that and then be murdered as soon as you get home in America because you did your job.

    Originally posted by willowdared View Post
    I grew up during Viet Nam, and had several relatives serve, not to mention all of their friends. I have not heard a single "first hand" story of anyone being harassed, yelled at, or spit on when they came home....but quite a few about offers of coffee or a ride home.

    Blue stars were displayed proudly in front windows....and many of us wore POW bracelets.

    I'd be curious to know the circumstances surrounding the murder of your father's friend?

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  • Taylor13
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    Originally posted by In It To Win It View Post
    Right. And a card burning coward running to canada, served 8 years in the White House.
    Wait, what?

    Originally posted by Kieth M. View Post
    Beyond veterans, why is anybody? Homeless advocates will tell us it's "the failure of the government to take care of people". I disagree.

    I worked Skid Row in Los Angeles, and I dealt with homeless people in Los Angeles for 30 years. Most all of them, 99.9%, are homeless because they want to be. Shelters, training, and "transition" programs have rules: No alcohol, no dope, no smoking inside the facility. The same rules present back where there family lives. Many are metally ill, but not mentally ill enough to be a danger to themselves or others, or gravely disabled.

    Taylor, I asked several people over the years, "Can I take you somewhere, the V.A.? A Shelter? Hey, they have this program...three hots and a cot, you want to go?" And they would turn me down, with a polite, "No thanks!" I would ask, can I help track down and call you family. Again, the answer was "No." I succeeded only twice in returning two homeless people where they were supposed to be, and their mental illness prevented them from making the connections, home.

    Sadly, the homeless are used politically. They are very much a hot news topic which points out the failure of presidential administrations...but only when people like Reagan, Bush 44, and GWB are in the office. When Carter or Bill Clinton was in office, there wasn't much coverage...and I swear that their numbers did not diminish. Now that BHO is in office, I'm sure that homelessness, as a topic for measuring the effect of government, will not be talked about...or perhaps just blamed on previous GOP administrations.

    Take any one of our closed and empty military facilities, open it as a place where the homeless could have a place to eat, sleep, get their needs met and they would avoid it like the plague. And, at the same time, their defenders would accuse the program designers of try to "warehouse the homeless".
    Thanks for the input Kieth... didn't know that other side to it.

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  • willowdared
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    Originally posted by Monkeybomb View Post
    The treatment I spoke of was how they were treated by a portion of America when they came home. My father was spit on in the airport. On of his best friend was shot and killed while in uniform still holding his bags from the return trip. I have many friends that served in Vietnam that have similar stories. VA never bothered woth effective treatment for PTSD. They denied agent orange affected the people who lived ate and breathed it. They have just started recognizing around 40 years later.

    On the other hand during the first Gulf war I was treated like a hero on my return. That wasn't much especially when compared to Vietnam and the current war.

    Many vets still have to fight for treatment for service related injuries.

    My Dad and my friends that served are all very succesful. But they were successful before and deal with whatever issues they have from Vietnam.
    I agree that the VA has been slow to address PTSD and other health problems related to "exposure"....not just Agent Orange, but Gulf I vets exposure to pollutants from the Kuwait oil field fires.

    I grew up during Viet Nam, and had several relatives serve, not to mention all of their friends. I have not heard a single "first hand" story of anyone being harassed, yelled at, or spit on when they came home....but quite a few about offers of coffee or a ride home.

    Blue stars were displayed proudly in front windows....and many of us wore POW bracelets.

    I'd be curious to know the circumstances surrounding the murder of your father's friend?

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  • Kieth M.
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    Originally posted by Taylor13 View Post
    Why the hell is a veteran living in a cardboard box behind a dumpster??
    Beyond veterans, why is anybody? Homeless advocates will tell us it's "the failure of the government to take care of people". I disagree.

    I worked Skid Row in Los Angeles, and I dealt with homeless people in Los Angeles for 30 years. Most all of them, 99.9%, are homeless because they want to be. Shelters, training, and "transition" programs have rules: No alcohol, no dope, no smoking inside the facility. The same rules present back where there family lives. Many are metally ill, but not mentally ill enough to be a danger to themselves or others, or gravely disabled.

    Taylor, I asked several people over the years, "Can I take you somewhere, the V.A.? A Shelter? Hey, they have this program...three hots and a cot, you want to go?" And they would turn me down, with a polite, "No thanks!" I would ask, can I help track down and call you family. Again, the answer was "No." I succeeded only twice in returning two homeless people where they were supposed to be, and their mental illness prevented them from making the connections, home.

    Sadly, the homeless are used politically. They are very much a hot news topic which points out the failure of presidential administrations...but only when people like Reagan, Bush 44, and GWB are in the office. When Carter or Bill Clinton was in office, there wasn't much coverage...and I swear that their numbers did not diminish. Now that BHO is in office, I'm sure that homelessness, as a topic for measuring the effect of government, will not be talked about...or perhaps just blamed on previous GOP administrations.

    Take any one of our closed and empty military facilities, open it as a place where the homeless could have a place to eat, sleep, get their needs met and they would avoid it like the plague. And, at the same time, their defenders would accuse the program designers of try to "warehouse the homeless".

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  • Monkeybomb
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    The treatment I spoke of was how they were treated by a portion of America when they came home. My father was spit on in the airport. On of his best friend was shot and killed while in uniform still holding his bags from the return trip. I have many friends that served in Vietnam that have similar stories. VA never bothered woth effective treatment for PTSD. They denied agent orange affected the people who lived ate and breathed it. They have just started recognizing around 40 years later.

    On the other hand during the first Gulf war I was treated like a hero on my return. That wasn't much especially when compared to Vietnam and the current war.

    Many vets still have to fight for treatment for service related injuries.

    My Dad and my friends that served are all very succesful. But they were successful before and deal with whatever issues they have from Vietnam.

    Originally posted by willowdared View Post
    By the way, Viet Nam vets have not been treated as badly as some would have you believe....nor are they more plagued by homelessness/addiction then previous wars.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/modules...ticle&sid=8350

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  • M-11
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    It's nice they did this stuff for him.

    But...

    I would rather they had used the money to try and improve the llife of a living hard luck vet.

    M-11

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  • In It To Win It
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    Originally posted by Taylor13 View Post
    Why the hell is a veteran living in a cardboard box behind a dumpster??
    Right. And a card burning coward running to canada, served 8 years in the White House.

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  • willowdared
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    We have a "Stand Down" every year organized by several charities to reach out to the homeless vets.

    By the way, Viet Nam vets have not been treated as badly as some would have you believe....nor are they more plagued by homelessness/addiction then previous wars.

    Here are a few facts

    97% of Vietnam Veterans were honorably discharged.


    91% of Vietnam Veterans say they are glad they served.


    74% say they would serve again, even knowing the outcome.


    Vietnam veterans have a lower unemployment rate than the same non-vet age groups.


    Vietnam veterans' personal income exceeds that of our non-veteran age group by more than 18 percent.


    87% of Americans hold Vietnam Veterans in high esteem.


    There is no difference in drug usage between Vietnam Veterans and non-Vietnam Veterans of the same age group (Source: Veterans Administration Study).


    Vietnam Veterans are less likely to be in prison - only one-half of one percent of Vietnam Veterans have been jailed for crimes.


    85% of Vietnam Veterans made successful transitions to civilian life.


    Very good article...

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/modules...ticle&sid=8350

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  • LINY
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    Originally posted by Taylor13 View Post
    Why the hell is a veteran living in a cardboard box behind a dumpster??
    25 percent of all Veterans are on some form of Welfare. Uncle Sam unfortunately doesn't treat most of his men good after he's finished using them.

    It is a shame help came too late, but hopefully he can rest in piece.

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  • az4code23
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    Great thread. He deserved every second! God bless....

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  • Southflaguy
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    RIP William Spence...

    It sucks how vets are treated...

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