"Obama" .... is he even elligable?

[t150vsuptpr]

I'll just post this link to Phil J. Berg's website detailing his lawsuit to force the DNC or Obama to produce a valid birth certificate. Not a doctored one, not one that changes, but an embossed original. He makes a strong case that Obama is not in any way elligable, and may even in fact be an illegal alien here.

Read some of it for you'll be hearing about it soon if not already.

I had heard of this suit before, and like many others passed it off as a crackpot idea. But it appears that neither the DNC or Obama will simply produce a bona fide birth certificate and end the lawsuit.

WHY?

What is to hide? Why not just produce it? Is it possible that Barack Obama has run a scam on the voters and all those folk who have donated millions? Is it possible that some in the DNC are party to the most daring of scams aimed at stealing an election by a non citizen? I know they claim there is a valid birth certificate in Hawaii, but no one can see it?

Why not?

It's their refusal that lends so much credence to Mr. Berg's suspicions, as even he says he just wants Obama's elligability certified or confirmed to protect the Constitution of the United States. We don't doubt he's over 35, nor that he's lived in the USA over 14 years .... but about his being a natural born citizen????

Starting to look like the American voter has been maybe played for a fool.

You know that if it's true, nothing he signs as president is valid? Laws, treaties, executive orders, etc.

You know that if Harry Read and Nancy Pelosi let him run knowing he was inelligable, they are guilty as well.

The elligability requirements were included in the Constitution to provide reasonable assurance that any President would have allegiance to the United States of America first and foremost.

Is Barack Hussien Obama elligable for our country's highest office?

I don't know.

But I know I have to produce my real birth certificate when applying for a new driver's license or passport. I know our service men and women had to produce theirs. I know I'll have to produce it when applying for my pension probably. I know my department has a copy on file.

I know that when coupled with the William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, Odinga, with his response to Joe the plumber about what he has in mind for Joe's money, with Barack's own writings, with Barack's views on unlimited abortions, even for those underage (he's against parental notification as he doesn't want to know if his daughters get pregnant, and he certainly doesn't want them punished with a baby) ....
.... it fits in a pattern of deception, unsavory associations, socialistic leanings, and poor judgement.

Why not just produce the birth certificate?

John McCain produced his immediately. His parents were in a US Territory, his father in service when he was born, they both were US Citizens. The law is not so clear on this point, but John McCain hid nothing!!!


Edit to simply add two links here on the opening post, in an easy to find place, only for those who are maybe interested.
Here is a link to Mr.r Berg's site ...
... and here's a link to Atlas Shrugs site that has some additional links.

[GangGreen712]

That's stupid. His mother was an American citizen and he was born in Hawaii...last time I checked that was a U.S. state. I don't doubt that.

We need, instead of going on these conspiracy theories (He's actually a radical Muslim, not really a U.S. citizen, wants to change the flag, reduce the armed forces down to what the Arabs deem acceptable, etc.) we need to focus on what he does have against him. There is solid proof of his ties to Ayers, he's for banning semiautomatic weapons, against the Castle Doctrine, for raising taxes, barely ever shows up to vote, has no practical knowledge on the military, etc.

[rubyrose]

Claim: Barack Obama has refused to make his birth certificate available...

Status: False.

Snopes link



Find something real, not imaginary, to complain about.

Maybe, just maybe, Philip Berg is an idiot.

[tn_gunslinger]

Just b/c some blogger is suing doesn't mean it's real.

[Monkeybomb]

I guess I will stir the pot on this one. Regardless of wether or not the lawsuit is BS. The birth certificate posted is not the original nor is it a certified copy. It is on a form that clearly shows it was revised and implemented in November of 2001 and it was for a laser printer. Their is no notary or state seal nor certified copy. It is a scan of a piece of paper with unknown origin.

I have a friend who was unsure of which state he was born in. he wrote to each place he believed he was born and recieved a birth certificate from each place......................

[Hoosier_Boy]

Give it up for god's sake.

[rubyrose]

Right.

You realize, of course, that ANY birth certificate requested now will ALWAYS be the modernized version.

If you lose the original, you lose the original. Fortunately I still have mine, but when I thought I lost it I requested a new one. And it looked very different from the original and left off a lot of the information on the original (such as my parents' occupations).

When you scan one with an embossed seal the seal will not show up on a scan.

As for your friend, it is quite possible that parents reported the birth in both states. Who knows how that happened?

Doesn't prove diddly squat.

This is a red herring and a complete waste of time.

Guess conservatives have to grasp at straws.

I guess I will stir the pot on this one. Regardless of wether or not the lawsuit is BS. The birth certificate posted is not the original nor is it a certified copy. It is on a form that clearly shows it was revised and implemented in November of 2001 and it was for a laser printer. Their is no notary or state seal nor certified copy. It is a scan of a piece of paper with unknown origin.

I have a friend who was unsure of which state he was born in. he wrote to each place he believed he was born and recieved a birth certificate from each place......................

[Tee.Elle.]

Anything you can think of to stop him from becoming President, huh? Tsk, tsk.

[rubyrose]

Rules for citizenship at time of Obama's birth:

4. December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986
If, at the time of your birth, both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship with no conditions for retaining it.

If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. There are no conditions placed on retaining this type of citizenship. If your one U.S. citizen parent is your father and you were born outside of marriage, the same rules apply if your father legally legitimated you before your 21st birthday and you were unmarried at the time. If legitimation occurred after November 14, 1986, your father must have established paternity prior to your 18th birthday, either by acknowledgment or by court order, and must have stated in writing that he would support you financially until your 18th birthday.

Note: this doesn't specify what would be the case if the parent was only 20 at the time of birth -- i.e., impossible for her to have lived ANYWHERE more than 5 years after age 16.

[lisah]

The problem is that no matter what is produced, someone will call it a fake. Another situation where he can't win.

[rubyrose]

Exactly.

The last gasp of a losing campaign.

The problem is that no matter what is produced, someone will call it a fake. Another situation where he can't win.

[mrc27]

I've heard that members of his own family (paternal g'ma & half siblings) claim that he was born in Kenya.

One explanation is that Obama's mother Ann Dunham, flew to Kenya in 1961 with Obama's father to meet his family. According to some news reports, Ann Dunham, was not accepted well by her husband's family because she was white:
"Obama's family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama very well, because she was white, according to Sarah Obama. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she later said, she did not like how Muslim men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near term the airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her baby. Obama's grandmother said the baby—Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.—was born in Kenya and that shortly after he was born, Stanley Ann returned to Hawaii."

However, by the time she wanted to leave Kenya, it was during the late stages of her pregnancy. She was not able to board a plane because the airlines wouldn't allow women so close to birth to fly. It is instead believed, that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya as his grandmother apparently stated. Then, after he was born, his mother returned with him to Hawaii where his birth was REGISTERED on or about August 8th, 1961, in the public records office in Hawaii.

[rubyrose]

Obama jokes about his identity

Some "revelations"...

[Monkeybomb]

Ruby,
First I never said he wasn't a citizen. I'm stirring the pot. I was pointing out that this was a copy/replacement birth certificate. Those usually come with a embossed seal and a annotation as a certified copy or replacement. And an embossment will most certainly show up on a scan. In fact the document that was scanned shows what appeares to be a stamped date on the back of the document from 2007. Embossments will usually show up slightly blurry on a scanned document.

Here is an pretty standard embossment . BTW this is a scanned Hawaii birth certificate.

[rubyrose]

Ever hear about family members who LIE about other family members?

No matter.

Even if born in Kenya, according to citizenship rules at the time, he would still be an American citizen.

I've heard that members of his own family (paternal g'ma & half siblings) claim that he was born in Kenya.