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    Winter_Patriot
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  • Winter_Patriot
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    Do not join the Guard thinking that it will be easy to balance with your civilian life. One or both will suffer. If I could do it over again I’d have gone active duty and then went into LE. That’s usually the consensus of Guard and Reserve members who have suffered while juggling both. Also, you’ll get great benefits the rest of your life after qualifying as a veteran. Many Guard never qualify as a veteran due to not having enough active duty time.

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  • Exbpa340
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    There are some local LEAs that do compensate better than the Federal government but they tend to be fewer in number and generally in high cost of living /far blue states/cities. As a general rule a GS 12/13 federal LEO with a premium pay will make more than most locals (but obviously not all).

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  • tanksoldier
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    Either go to the academy and finish FTO, then enlist OR enlist active duty for 3-4 years, then apply federal with veteran’s preference.

    Trying to do the academy and FTO while drilling would suck.

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  • Aidokea
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    There- I fixed it.
  • AHV
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  • AHV
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    I’m actually a woman, but thanks “dude”!
  • emtguy89
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  • emtguy89
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    A lot of CA does pay more, but the taxes and cost of living suck, plus the politics. That state seems horrible in every way except LE pay and benefits.
  • emtguy89
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    Sadly most of the country doesn't compensate remotely close to that. I'd say half or more of my state don't even have a pension. Also no unions. I think there's 16 or so states that have a police bill of rights...
  • Aidokea
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  • Aidokea
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    Originally posted by emtguy89 View Post
    ...apply to a federal agency and skip being a local if possible. The pay and benefits are a thousand times better...if your agency even has a retirement plan, most don't). Most feds also can't be fired on a whim or get screwed over as much by the brass compared to locals.
    Lol.

    I'm a just a high-school dropout. As a lowly patrol officer with full union protections, I never promoted. I made a solid $250K my last year before retiring in my mid-50s with a big fat retirement pension and free medical for life, to a beautiful brick house with a swimming pool and custom movie theater, located on my private gated 5-acre estate.

    My daily work commuter car was a Porsche convertible that I custom-ordered new after touring the Porsche factory in Stuttgart.

    My young wife has never had to work. Her daily driver is a BMW Track Pack car that I let her custom-order, and then we flew to Munich Germany to pick it up at the factory, the morning after doing Oktoberfest in costume.

    We typically vacation in Europe one month a year. Dinner in the Eiffel Tower in Paris, pasta and wine in Rome, a horse-drawn carriage ride up to the world's most famous castle for wine and desserts, touring the Mosel Valley wine region, wienerschnitzel in Salzburg Austria (home of Mozart), gondola boat rides through Venice to Ernest Hemingway's residence, pub-hopping in London, sipping single-malt Scotch in Edinburgh Scotland, a musical pub crawl in Dublin Ireland, sipping cider in a "snug" at the Crown Liquor Saloon in Belfast Northern Ireland, several weeks in a luxury cottage on the Isle of Man, picnicking at the little lake at the top of the San Bernardino Pass in the Swiss Alps, touring Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Pagani, Ducati, and MV Agusta in northern Italy...you know, all the usual stuff that I've never seen a federal employee do.

    I think I'm gonna go now, and change the color of the stitching in the leather upholstery of the new 2022 Ferrari Portofino M that I'm speccing.

    Astronaut...
    Aidokea
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    Last edited by Aidokea; 11-25-2021, 09:36 PM.

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  • Aidokea
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  • Aidokea
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    Originally posted by SOCAleo View Post
    ...there are definitely local LE jobs that pay better than the Feds with better retirement...
    Yup. I don't know of any federal jobs offering $40K signing bonuses for jobs with 6-figure starting wages...

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  • SOCAleo
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  • SOCAleo
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    Originally posted by emtguy89 View Post

    Don't join the military as a stepping stone into law enforcement, especially as an MP. An army mechanic is more useful to an agency than an MP. If you want to join out of patriotism, that's cool, but having been in local agency recruiting, a few months of basic training really doesn't matter from a hiring standpoint. It would only be relevant after a few years active duty or several years reserve. That said, going to the police academy after basic training would be much easier for you because you'd be in shape, with the proper mindset. Academies vary by state, agency, etc but are usually not incredibly hard (except trooper school), you're not living in a room with 40+ people and being woke up at night for something stupid.

    Do not self sponsor. There's agencies all over the country that are hiring, they will hire you just as a college graduate. It's not preferable (I liked to see 25+ with consistent work experience especially in corrections) but these days beggars can't be choosers. I strongly recommend you heavily research agencies you want to apply with and do some ride alongs, as the other posters said, this job isn't always accommodating to your life outside of work. Find one that is, they're out there.

    If your ultimate goal is feds, then apply to a federal agency and skip being a local if possible. The pay and benefits are a thousand times better, work/life balance is usually better (except the Secret Service), and you can start working towards retirement. The time you spend as a local doesn't count for that (if your agency even has a retirement plan, most don't). There's several uniformed federal agencies that do "real police work" such as the Park Police, Land Management, Indian Affairs, etc if that's what you're interested in, and you can make your way over to a nice plainclothes GS-12/13 job working 9-5 (more like 10-3 with a 2 hour paid lunch) when you're ready. Most feds also can't be fired on a whim or get screwed over as much by the brass compared to locals.
    Good comment, I agree with most of the sentiments.

    However, depending on where the OP is wanting to work, there are definitely local LE jobs that pay better than the Feds with better retirement, think California. Comparatively, I think GS13 and above with 6C retirement would equal some of the top California agencies.

    But, having a Fed agent job is way better for work life balances. That 13 level is the sweet spot.

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  • SOCAleo
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  • SOCAleo
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    Still, I was enlisted when I was active duty. If I could do it over, I would go officer.
  • CCCSD
    Shadowman

  • CCCSD
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    Just so you know, some FED Agencies do not allow Reservists/NG to serve while employed.

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  • emtguy89
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  • emtguy89
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    Originally posted by AHV View Post
    Hi everyone! This is my first post in any of the forums. I’ve read over them for awhile but haven’t joined in on the conversations yet. I’m currently a senior in college, graduating May of 2022. Ultimately, my goal is to do federal law enforcement, but I’m looking to go local first. I was looking at doing the Army National Guard, since the time commitment allows me to have a full-time job outside of it. Since the police academy is 6-7 months plus another 4 months of FTO, I would prefer to go to basic and AIT before I start the police academy. My question is - would basic and the academy back to back be too tiring to complete? I’m worried that by the time basic is over, I’ll be too burnt out to enter 7 months of intense training. Also, would the National Guard commitment of one weekend a month interfere with the police academy? I know most are only during the week, but I’m a little concerned about the interference. I apologize for the long post. Any and all advice is appreciated!
    Don't join the military as a stepping stone into law enforcement, especially as an MP. An army mechanic is more useful to an agency than an MP. If you want to join out of patriotism, that's cool, but having been in local agency recruiting, a few months of basic training really doesn't matter from a hiring standpoint. It would only be relevant after a few years active duty or several years reserve. That said, going to the police academy after basic training would be much easier for you because you'd be in shape, with the proper mindset. Academies vary by state, agency, etc but are usually not incredibly hard (except trooper school), you're not living in a room with 40+ people and being woke up at night for something stupid.

    Do not self sponsor. There's agencies all over the country that are hiring, they will hire you just as a college graduate. It's not preferable (I liked to see 25+ with consistent work experience especially in corrections) but these days beggars can't be choosers. I strongly recommend you heavily research agencies you want to apply with and do some ride alongs, as the other posters said, this job isn't always accommodating to your life outside of work. Find one that is, they're out there.

    If your ultimate goal is feds, then apply to a federal agency and skip being a local if possible. The pay and benefits are a thousand times better, work/life balance is usually better (except the Secret Service), and you can start working towards retirement. The time you spend as a local doesn't count for that (if your agency even has a retirement plan, most don't). There's several uniformed federal agencies that do "real police work" such as the Park Police, Land Management, Indian Affairs, etc if that's what you're interested in, and you can make your way over to a nice plainclothes GS-12/13 job working 9-5 (more like 10-3 with a 2 hour paid lunch) when you're ready. Most feds also can't be fired on a whim or get screwed over as much by the brass compared to locals.

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  • IndexBoss
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  • IndexBoss
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    I'm a prior local officer, current fed officer, and I've been in the reserves for more than 12 years.

    I agree with the above statements. I would go local first and see if you even want to join the NG. You will probably see more and experience more as a police officer than most guardsman. In any event you can join the reserves later in life.

    Other officers will tell you to "pick a career" when you are doing both because they get denied time off because 3-4 guys have drill that weekend.

    You should have joined the reserves or NG before college to help pay for it. You loose a lot of the benefit of the reserves by joining after college.

    Go officer...... coming from an enlisted guy.

    Good luck

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  • just joe
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    Officers still have to go to their basic branch school, so OCS and their branch school is longer than basic and AIT.

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