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    Ok so first off I'm new around here but I do have some questions so I figured I would skip the intro section.
    That said I have a couple of questions and if you guys could answer as many as possible I'd really appreciate it, and if one gets missed I'll try to find the appropriate section and create another thread for that.

    So question #1, I've asked a few people (multiple former cops) and researched online but keep getting confused. So What is the general process to becoming a cop after getting a 4 year degree (I'm doing business management). I think it goes somewhat like this (for what I'm planning on doing)
    - Take the police written test (and eventually receive score)
    - Apply for positions with multiple departments and/or agencies
    - Get interviewed by departments with openings
    - If all goes well, get the job and have them pay for the academy? (If you're confused, this is why I placed this thread in this section)
    - Join the force after graduation and take on, on-the-job training?

    Does this look like the natural flow of things?

    OK question #2:
    I have seen a thread discussing how I can get the job with diabetes, (further nod for yes/no if I could in a city like NY plz) because I did see my hometown of Toledo accepted a diabetic officer after a lawsuit. That said I also have a condition called hip displacea but I had surgery on it years ago and wouldn't impede me doing anything physical because of the corrective surgery. Would it be a no go then even though I HAD it or does corrective surgery not count?

    Final Question unless I think of more:

    So I live in Toledo OH, but I am a big city type person and want to move to NY and pursue law enforcement as a career wherever I end up, how would you suggest I take on trying to get a job with a department so far away? Should I take the test here to see how I do before going there first? Should I take a vacation in NY to see if it really is right for me?

    Any and all info is appreciated and any advice is appreciated too.
    Thanks for the help in advance guys,
    Dave

  • #2
    You apply for the job; you take the test; if you score high enough on the written test you will move on to other phases; which may include a physical agility test, a psych exam, a polygraph, a medical exam, an oral interview, a background investigation, and/or whatever else they want to do. What they do and what order they do them in is dept specific.

    Do you realize the waiting list/hiring process for NYPD is measured in years? I knew a guy who spoke to one of their recruiters year ago and the recruiter tried to disuade him from applying. When my friend explained that he was a New Yorker just trying to get back home, the recruiter's tune changed. They were not interested in people who watched too much TV and had no idea what NY was really like; they also have more than enough local applicants. Do what you want. If all goes well, you just need to figure out how you are going to support yourself for the next three years while you are waiting for a start date.
    Last edited by just joe; 10-24-2014, 08:31 AM.

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    • #3
      You are probably confused because the process in every state varies.

      DISCLAIMER: I am not a police officer or government human resources specialist.

      In some states, you apply to a department, usually taking a physical fitness test, written aptitude test, interview(s), medical and psychological testing, and possibly a polygraph. When hired, you go to an academy, then you go back to your department to start FT. Some states also allow people to 'self-sponsor,' meaning they pay to go through the academy on their own, but of course they have no job waiting for them at the end- they would just be already POST-certified applicants to open positions.

      In my state, you cannot apply* to any law enforcement position without having completed a degree or certificate program at an accredited school, which involves a "Skills" semester that is roughly analogous to, but not the same as, a police academy.

      EDIT:

      As to some of your specifics:

      1. There is no "police test," per se. There are multiple national tests that various agencies can use, each state or local agency may have their own civil service exam, or the department itself may have a standard test. While there are some tests, like Frontline, where results can be sent to and will be accepted by several different departments, that is the exception rather than the rule. Most will have you take a test specifically for the department in question.

      2. Your medical fitness would essentially be tested twice. I don't believe there is ever a time where you put your past medical/surgical history of the application, on the grounds that the people reviewing your application at first are not qualified to judge that. However, if you are not medically fit enough to pass the physical fitness test, you would obviously have an issue. Usually somewhat late in the hiring process, often after a conditional hire offer has been made, you will receive a general exam from a contracted physician, who would then evaluate your past history as well to determine whether there were any medical issues that would preclude you from being a police officer.

      I doubt anyone here is qualified to assess your medical history, and only the physician contracted for the department for which you want to work will be able to tell you go/no go.

      3. Testing for NYPD is well explored on this forum, so I will defer to the knowledge of those with direct experience here, but I doubt testing in Toledo will help you much for NYPD. I advise you go to the NYPD page and talk to a recruiter.

      One thing you should think about in this regard is that if NYPD is what you want, Ohio law enforcement education will not help you.
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      *OK, well, sometimes you can apply, but most such openings are posted as "You must currently have a POST certification or have certification by date X," which is usually the position start date. Those get posted sometimes if a department knows that a local school is about to graduate a class.
      Last edited by SamRudolph; 10-24-2014, 09:39 AM.
      Originally posted by Michigan
      Now that you mention it, who are you?

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      • #4
        Thanks for the replies, definitely cleared some things up. just joe: wasn't wanting to go to NYPD because of TV shows, I actually don't care about the "action" on the job at all, it can happen or can't and I don't care if I work in a department where I get shot at or not. The main reason I like NY/NYPD is because I hate the city life in Toledo, it has a large population but still seems like a small town when everything except for like 3 bars in the entire county close at like 9 P.M. that's why I like NY, I can go out an do stuff if I'm up at 3 A.M. (although TV shows don't hurt lol)

        But in reality, since I'm going through college for a business management bachelors and not criminal justice I coulld always find a job in NY not law enforcement related while I try to seg-way into the department.

        Sam you said that you can't even apply in your state without having taken that class? Where would I be able to find specific lists like that for NY, or really what should I be looking for in that? Do you think that I should try to find a NYPD officer and contact them to ask them these questions for an absolute?

        EDIT:
        I forgot to mention that I have foreign language skills, I can speak German. Even though this isn't one of the common law enforcement languages would this give me a slight edge compared to another applicant with no foreign language skills?
        Last edited by DiabeticDave; 10-24-2014, 01:22 PM.

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        • #5
          There is no such restriction in NY, so don't worry about finding a mandatory class that doesn't exist.

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          • #6
            Your German skills would suit you better in an area where there is a high percentage of the population that is German.

            As far as OJT... don't know about NY, but here in Texas there are state-mandated "continuing education" courses and hours that must be completed every two years. Some agencies provide the training in-house and others rely on outside training opportunities. Then there are also periodic recerts on firearms, tasers, chemical and possibly impact weapons.
            Officer Jay McGuire, Minneapolis Park Police EOW 5/14/2009 age 11
            Among Texas' finest
            Deputy Andy Taylor, Llano County SO EOW 5/9/2005
            Senior Deputy Jessica Laura Hollis, Travis County SO EOW 9/18/2014
            Darren H. Goforth, Harris County SO EOW 8/28/2015

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DiabeticDave View Post
              Ok so first off I'm new around here but I do have some questions so I figured I would skip the intro section.
              That said I have a couple of questions and if you guys could answer as many as possible I'd really appreciate it, and if one gets missed I'll try to find the appropriate section and create another thread for that.

              So question #1, I've asked a few people (multiple former cops) and researched online but keep getting confused. So What is the general process to becoming a cop after getting a 4 year degree (I'm doing business management). I think it goes somewhat like this (for what I'm planning on doing)
              - Take the police written test (and eventually receive score)
              - Apply for positions with multiple departments and/or agencies
              - Get interviewed by departments with openings
              - If all goes well, get the job and have them pay for the academy? (If you're confused, this is why I placed this thread in this section)
              - Join the force after graduation and take on, on-the-job training?

              Does this look like the natural flow of things?

              OK question #2:
              I have seen a thread discussing how I can get the job with diabetes, (further nod for yes/no if I could in a city like NY plz) because I did see my hometown of Toledo accepted a diabetic officer after a lawsuit. That said I also have a condition called hip displacea but I had surgery on it years ago and wouldn't impede me doing anything physical because of the corrective surgery. Would it be a no go then even though I HAD it or does corrective surgery not count?

              Final Question unless I think of more:

              So I live in Toledo OH, but I am a big city type person and want to move to NY and pursue law enforcement as a career wherever I end up, how would you suggest I take on trying to get a job with a department so far away? Should I take the test here to see how I do before going there first? Should I take a vacation in NY to see if it really is right for me?

              Any and all info is appreciated and any advice is appreciated too.
              Thanks for the help in advance guys,
              Dave
              1. I think the section about the hiring process has been cleared up for you.

              2. I have a friend who is an officer in large department with diabetes, but I can't say if there is any set medical standard. Each department is different and will have different viewpoints.

              As far as the hip, as long as you can pass the physical you SHOULD be fine. Keyword should. Most departments will obviously have the fitness test, and many also have an in depth physical with doctors. It all comes down to being cleared by a doctor. If you can pass the fitness test and are medically cleared, I don't see an issue.

              I cant speak for the NYPD, but one thing I will say is this. Taking a vacation to NY and living in NY all your life are two completely different things. There are reasons why recruiters shy non-residents away and the waiting list takes years for New Yorkers.

              Edit: A degree in something other than CRJ is always a good idea. Also, any second language won't hurt, especially in NY.
              Last edited by Amigo1342; 10-27-2014, 09:12 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Amigo1342 View Post
                1. I think the section about the hiring process has been cleared up for you.

                2. I have a friend who is an officer in large department with diabetes, but I can't say if there is any set medical standard. Each department is different and will have different viewpoints.

                As far as the hip, as long as you can pass the physical you SHOULD be fine. Keyword should. Most departments will obviously have the fitness test, and many also have an in depth physical with doctors. It all comes down to being cleared by a doctor. If you can pass the fitness test and are medically cleared, I don't see an issue.

                I cant speak for the NYPD, but one thing I will say is this. Taking a vacation to NY and living in NY all your life are two completely different things. There are reasons why recruiters shy non-residents away and the waiting list takes years for New Yorkers.

                Edit: A degree in something other than CRJ is always a good idea. Also, any second language won't hurt, especially in NY.
                Thanks for that input. I did some extra thinking and kinda decided that instead of just going to NY for a week or two I would attempt to get a job there in the business field (I'm a business management major right now) live there for like a year and decide from there. If I like it there I'll go ahead and apply. As far as language is concerned I would always be open to trying to learn a third language.

                Also I did some extra research into NYPD hiring process and most of my confusion came from difference in hiring process for different departments (I was considering a move to LA too) and between LAPD, Toledo PD and NYPD the process is insanely different. I found however that with NYPD you apply and if they send you along you continue the process, medical background first, another step, JST, a lot of other stuff then academy. So if I'm right, you can only really prepare for physical and education (they require 60 credit hours from college at least) before going to the next steps or academy.

                And hopefully my somewhat still confused but more enlightened now explanation will make sense...

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                • #9
                  My example. I took the NYPD test in 2008, I finally advanced in the process in 2010...by then I had made significant advancement at my current agency and turned it down.
                  The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed.

                  I Am the Sheepdog.


                  "And maybe just remind the few, if ill of us they speak,
                  that we are all that stands between
                  the monsters and the weak." - Michael Marks


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                  • #10
                    Regardless of whether you fully intend on becoming part of the NYPD, take the test now! This way you will have the option 2 years down the road if you find yourself here.
                    Don't move there, get a job, and think about taking the test if you like it here. You will have lost at least a year that way.
                    NYPD typically has open walk-in testing daily. Find yourself at a testing area, pass the test, and forget about it until they contact you to move forward.
                    Seriously- the sooner the better for you.

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