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    Here is a report from the International Media.

    Hurricane cops quit in droves, 2 suicide.

    Amid the desperation of Hurricane Katrina, two police officers have committed suicide with their own weapons and dozens have turned in their badges.

    New Orleans' thin blue line has ruptured.

    Deputy Police Chief WJ Riley identified two officers who killed themselves as Sergeant Paul Accardo, the department's spokesman, and Patrolman Lawrence Celestine.

    "Both of them," Riley said, shaking his head slowly. "Used their own guns."

    Several dozen of the city's 1,600 police officers have failed to report for duty, and some have turned in their badges.

    Published reports put the number as high as 200.

    But Riley declined to comment on those figures, saying more than 100 officers may have been trapped in their own homes or unable to reach command centres.

    "We just don't know," he said.

    "We still have at least a thousand policemen out here trying to rescue people and take back the city.

    "I don't know what's in their minds. I don't know what gives the others out here their adrenaline, what gives them their push."

    On top of the burdens of law enforcement, officers have had to forage for food and water and even for places to relieve themselves.

    "Our officers have been urinating and defecating in the basement of Harrah's Casino," Police Superintendent Eddie Compass said last week.

    "They have been going in stores to feed themselves."

    They also have had to deal with personal losses.

    "What's affected most of our officers is they don't know where their wives or kids are. They don't have homes ... they don't have anything," Riley said.

    Exhaustion was evident in the officers' faces and even their dress. Many were wearing t-shirts and blue jeans brought in by fellow officers.

    "We're having to find clothes for some," Riley said.

    "The only reason I'm dressed in a uniform is that I didn't lose my house."

    Some police who remained on the job expressed outrage that some of their fellow officers abandoned the city when it most needed law and order.

    "This is our area," said one officer, who spoke on the condition that he not be identified because he feared retribution from commanders.

    "I was raised in this town. I'm not giving this city up. Police are turning in their badges and running away."

    Officers also have struggled with the emotional impact of the devastation.

    "There were cops walking through the crowd at the convention centre and people were coming up to beg for food," Riley said.

    "Not being able to help is a difficult thing. People were calling our names because we know them and to not be able to help, man, that's stressful."

    Riley told of one officer who tried to rescue an elderly woman from an attic but could not reach the window from his boat.

    Another rescued a man who had punched a hole in the roof of his house but the man lost his daughter in the swirling floodwaters.

    "Imagine what that does to somebody," Riley said.

    Source: AAP News


  • #2
    Cowards who should not be given their jobs back

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    • #3
      Unless you are in the thick of things, and helping and knowing what these people are going thru, DONT COMMENT. You have NO idea what they are going thru or doing.
      The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed.

      I Am the Sheepdog.

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      • #4
        If my house had been destroyed and my family was MIA, I might consider leaving also.

        My wife and sons are far more important than anyone in that city. I'd walk a bit in those cops shoes before I started calling them cowards...
        Officer, I borrowed these pants!

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        • #5
          That is a tough decision.

          My family comes first, but I don't think I have it in me morally to leave the public I serve when they need as much of my help as possible.

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          • #6
            I see those who live in Florida have a little different take than the name caller who does not list a location. How dare you judge those who are in the thick of things. As an an officer who has been through several hurricanes and numerous evacuations, I can tell you there are many reasons officers are not available for duty.

            As for LEO families, I doubt every N.O. officer had good solid personal plan for their family in this sort of scenario. They just haven't been faced with anything like this before. You can sit and say they should have done this and that ahead of time, but until you've practiced and impleneted your personal plan things will go wrong. We have already been told some officers have lost their lives. Others have lost family members and you have to wonder if they don't feel the anguish that maybe their loved ones would have lived had they been there for them or had a better plan. Put that stress on top of people shooting at you, having poor or no coms, an ammo shortage, having to forage for food, water, and vehicles, getting little or no sleep and wondering "when the hell is my back-up gonna arrive." N.O. hasn't had a hurricane in a long time and I'm just guessing, but I'm sure the department's "plan" left a lot to be desired. (Even at my department, with all of it's after action reviews and EO plan tweaking from prior storm experience still does not even provide for a location to house the K9's. IN the last hurricane they were told "you handle it, but the dogs can't stay inside the police station where you're ordered to be." See what I'm getting at?) However, even through all that, many officers have stayed in N.O. and some have left after staying as long as they could mentally and physically hang. We all get enough flack from citizens in normal situations, imagine having the people you are trying to help shooting at you. As a former Army SGT, I can tell you the combat situations the officers are finding themselves in will definitely sort out the ones with mettle and the ones without - at least some of them were there to try their best. And they have been able improvise and save many lives. The ones who bolted prior to the hurricane, who didn't have family concerns and left for no other reason that they saw doomsday coming, I think, we can all safely say didn't wear the badge for the right reason to begin with. Yeah, you're the Man though, you'd have saved the world!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SW4747
              Cowards who should not be given their jobs back
              Last time I checked, this is a job that like any other, you can quit at anytime you feel like it. It is not slavery. This *is* still a free country and if you don't like your job conditions, you don't have to stay.

              They don't (or didn't) have working communications.

              Their chain of command, by all reports, completely broke down.

              By news reports, they were having to sleep on rooftops while being shot at by the people they are trying to help.

              By the Chief's own statement, they were not being fed. They were having to go steal their food like everyone else.

              They are having to deal with seeing thousands of dead bodies.

              They are not able to shower.

              They do not have clean clothes.

              They had limited and inadeuquate supplies at first, and probably still do.

              They have their own familes to care for and their own devastation and loss to cope with.

              While I would like to think that I would have stayed, I'm not going to sit and judge them one minute for leaving. What is happening in that area goes above and beyond the call of duty by at least one hundred times.
              Last edited by AtlCop; 09-05-2005, 02:24 PM.
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              • #8
                Very well said guys.

                Unless you have been in a disaster situation you have NO idea what you would do.









                My prayers are with all of our brothers and sisters who have been effected by Katrina.

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                • #9
                  As far as I am concerned, being a Police Officer is NOT like every other job, and I feel that the Average Police Officer has a sense of duty, if not a moral obligation to maintain.

                  We are held to a higher standard for a reason. When chaos insues, we're not suppose to act like the people we protect.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dash
                    As far as I am concerned, being a Police Officer is NOT like every other job, and I feel that the Average Police Officer has a sense of duty, if not a moral obligation to maintain.

                    We are held to a higher standard for a reason. When chaos insues, we're not suppose to act like the people we protect.
                    Dash -

                    Tell that to every officer who quits and changes departments because:

                    1. They don't think they get paid enough.

                    2. They don't like the equipment they get issued.

                    3. They don't like their schedule at their current job.

                    4. They don't like the benefits of their department.

                    There is no difference. Police or otherwise, if you don't like your job you find a new one. Plus, quitting your job and leaving is not acting like the people you protect. The thugs left in New Orleans are looting, rioting, murdering, car jacking, raping, and pillaging. Officers quitting their jobs are not acting like that.

                    New Orleans has a residency requirement. You MUST LIVE IN NEW ORLEANS to police in New Orleans. This means these officers probably lost everything they had. They have to worry about their families and their homes.

                    On top of that, they have a bunch of ungrateful criminal thugs trying to kill them at every turn. This on top of dealing with everything else I've already outlined.

                    I have a sense of duty to my community. I am an officer of very high integrity. I do this job because of among other things, the benefit I feel that I'm making to my community.

                    However, that being said, my family comes first. My children, my wife, my parents are my top concern. If they don't have a place to live and have to be evacuated, I'm going to protect them. I do not blame these officers one bit.
                    Last edited by AtlCop; 09-05-2005, 05:18 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Don't know if any other LEO out there has gone through what these guys are having to go through...maybe the NYPD and those who survived 9/11?

                      It seems that, once again, everyone is waiting for the boys in blue to come to the rescue, but they're in a living hell at the moment...it's probably worse than we can possibly imagine...

                      God Bless the NOPD and the other LE/FD/military agencies trying to keep it all together.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SW4747
                        Cowards who should not be given their jobs back


                        I really dont think you can sit there and judge them for what they are doing. They are trying to save lives their families and citizens. The scum over there is shooting at them and seeing how many officers they can kill, so jus read and dont judge them.

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                        • #13
                          And do you think they'll really want their jobs back? My guess would be, not if it's in New Orleans....

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SW4747
                              Cowards who should not be given their jobs back
                              yeah, and youre a tough guy who would defend your city regardless of your family's condition....... i bet youre one of those guys who run for shelter when the rain merely drizzles.
                              "The American public will find it refreshing to see a Republican candidate, who's not a moralistic, sexually repressed, crusading hypocrite, who cruises airport men's rooms late at night."
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