alcohol date rape drug? why

[Dingbat]

Im watching this thing on mtv about spring break and they brought up alcohol being a date rape drug.

Why is alcohol considered a date rape drug? Just because your intoxicated and agree to sex doesnt mean you have been raped the next day, even though you were willing the night before and have regrets the next day.

Grated i can understand if your passed out somewhere then someone does it without consent. But they way they make it sound that even if you are a little bit intoxicated that you are still considered a victim.

Am i wrong in how this works or what?

[ExplorerE321]

Now this is a 22 year old's point of view.
My response is a little off topic, but i think it plays into what they are saying.

I went to Florida in June of this year AFTER spring break and it was WILD. This is coming from a 22 yr old college student.

The problem I noticed when I went down there was what I call the "Preacher's Daughter" effect. I don't know if it's the hotel I was staying at or what, but almost every girl I encountered was vacationing with out her parents or authority figures for the first time. Now I'm not saying that I didn't drink, because I did (My friends and I bought so much booze that the Quik E Mart guys didn't even charge us for the food we bought ) but for these girls, it was watching indians with firewater! It was like they never had alcohol before!

[LA DEP]

Because in many areas if BOTH parties are not capable of giving consent, then it MAY be considered rape at a later time......if you are intoxicated, you are not capable of giving consent......

[willowdared]

If you are passed out drunk, you can't give consent either.

[vacop4274]

Well, the thing is, if she didn't say "no" then she didn't say "yes" either, so best not do anything unless you get a clear answer for engagement. And since being overly intoxicated often leads to people passing out, then to do something while one is passed out, is rape...plane and simple.

[Chief Wiggum]

That's not what he's talking about. He's talking about someone who says "yes" but is intoxicated when they do it. Is this rape? My answer is probably not.

Because in many areas if BOTH parties are not capable of giving consent, then it MAY be considered rape at a later time......if you are intoxicated, you are not capable of giving consent......

If both are intoxicated then who raped whom?

[Eclipse27]

The problem I noticed when I went down there was what I call the "Preacher's Daughter" effect. I don't know if it's the hotel I was staying at or what, but almost every girl I encountered was vacationing with out her parents or authority figures for the first time. Now I'm not saying that I didn't drink, because I did (My friends and I bought so much booze that the Quik E Mart guys didn't even charge us for the food we bought ) but for these girls, it was watching indians with firewater! It was like they never had alcohol before!

That would get annoying. Especially since you know they are trying to act like they've done it all before.

[LA DEP]

That's not what he's talking about. He's talking about someone who says "yes" but is intoxicated when they do it. Is this rape? My answer is probably not.



If both are intoxicated then who raped whom?

Thats not a good defense in court....I've seen people (males only) charged with rape in similar circs.....

Even if you prevail in court, you will be tens of thousands of dollars down in legal fees....

[gadphto89]

this is why alcohol should be illegal imo. my exgf used to get drunk and cheat on me all the time, worst part is she didn't even know she was doing it, next day she'd be like "oh what happened last night?" then 9 months later she found out what she was doing and so did i.

a drug that can completely take control of you like that ought to be illegal imo

[Chief Wiggum]

Thats not a good defense in court....I've seen people (males only) charged with rape in similar circs.....

Even if you prevail in court, you will be tens of thousands of dollars down in legal fees....

How the heck does it even make it to court? I could not in good consious charge this. People get drunk and have sex everyday. Because one of them regrets it the next day it's rape?

IF this is the case then I was raped by a few fat chicks back in college.

Is the bartender charged as an accessory? Because they damn sure know that SOMEBODY is going to get drunk and have sex with someone else (I was a bartender).

[LA DEP]

How the heck does it even make it to court? I could not in good consious charge this. People get drunk and have sex everyday. Because one of them regrets it the next day it's rape?

IF this is the case then I was raped by a few fat chicks back in college.

Is the bartender charged as an accessory? Because they damn sure know that SOMEBODY is going to get drunk and have sex with someone else (I was a bartender).

Its not us that make the choice whether to charge or not...if the victim demands a criminal complaint, saying she never gave consent, then it gets written......up to the DA to file or not.....

also, it is written in the CA penal code that an intoxicated person CAN NOT give consent......not sure if CA is the only state with statute on the books or not......

[djblank87]

this is why alcohol should be illegal imo. my exgf used to get drunk and cheat on me all the time, worst part is she didn't even know she was doing it, next day she'd be like "oh what happened last night?" then 9 months later she found out what she was doing and so did i.

a drug that can completely take control of you like that ought to be illegal imo

Sounds like your girlfriend was lying to you by using the old "I was to drunk to remeber story".

[insomniac]

worst part is she didn't even know she was doing it, next day she'd be like "oh what happened last night?"

Yeah I'm sure she "forgot". Please tell me you don't really believe that.

[midnight_v]

Yeah I'm sure she "forgot". Please tell me you don't really believe that.

I'm hoping thats sarcasm.

Its not us that make the choice whether to charge or not...if the victim demands a criminal complaint, saying she never gave consent, then it gets written......up to the DA to file or not.....

also, it is written in the CA penal code that an intoxicated person CAN NOT give consent......not sure if CA is the only state with statute on the books or not

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OUTRAGE!!!

It is our job as citizens to get these rules off the books. California. What kind of b.s., unaccountability...
How about responsiblity for ones actions.
Its hypocrisy, if that law is real... then if a man gets drunk and sleeps with a sober girl he should bear no financial responsibilty for a child if born from that encounter.
Though we no better. Terrible law.

[SPC-1]

Why should someone be punished for another persons problem (Not being able to hold their liquor)? Its not a controlled substance and I don't think it should be made illegal.
People just need to use good sense when drinking. I hate that "I got so drunk and don't remember anything." or "I cant believe I did that! Its so not me!" Well I call BS on those who say that!!!