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    I am an experienced and educated LE officer who has been having trouble getting hired after having been released from an agency without cause.

    My previous background investigator (BI) told me, "I would kill to have your background", so I'm honestly not sure what other agencies are seeing that they don't like.

    I have heard of several situations that are just boggling my mind as I continue my search for a position.

    A veteran LE officer was caught in the act of committing a misdemeanor fish and game violation (he might have even been on-duty at the time). He was advised by his employer that if he plead, they would let him keep his job. He did so and was promptly fired. Then another agency immediately hired him and to my knowledge he is still in LE today.

    A young LE officer (under the age of 21) stole and consumed contraband (he may have even shared it with others). An investigation ensued and he was offered the opportunity to resign, which he did. A short time later he was hired by another LE agency in a different capacity than he worked before. Later, he returned to the agency where he committed the offense under the same administration (the one who forced him to resign). From there he went on to two other agencies and is still in LE to this day.

    An LE officer was known for crashing patrol vehicles on-duty and was finally warned by his employer, if it happens again, you are gone. He later backed his patrol vehicle into a parked vehicle, got out, saw there was damage, and left without notifying anyone including his employer. There were witnesses to the crime. He was investigated and basically run out of town on a rail, but apparently was not prosecuted. He then gets hired by another LE agency who considers him the best thing since sliced bread and he is moving up through the ranks.

    An LE officer accidentally discharges his firearm in a locker room and it center punches another officer who almost dies. Years later, this same officer is now an LE agency head.

    At the risk of boggling my mind even more, does anyone else have any examples of screw-up LE officers who have gone onto work in their chosen fields?
    Those who are successful at what they do don't give a rip about what others think about them.

    We don't rent pigs.

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    Move up to washington state and join a department up here. Washington is in diree need of officers. Im in the process with the WSP. I dont think there as needy as say seattle, but you should look into it.

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    • #3
      Bark, I have to ask what was the cause for your release from your prior department? Or did they just give you walking papers with no excuse?

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      • #4
        Sounds like the military...."Screw up, move up!".
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        • #5
          Originally posted by djblank87 View Post
          Bark, I have to ask what was the cause for your release from your prior department? Or did they just give you walking papers with no excuse?
          I was released without cause, two months shy of my probation, by the third department head I worked for. All my previous evaluations met or exceeded standards and I also had a commendation.
          Those who are successful at what they do don't give a rip about what others think about them.

          We don't rent pigs.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by barkalot View Post
            I was released without cause, two months shy of my probation, by the third department head I worked for. All my previous evaluations met or exceeded standards and I also had a commendation.
            Damn bark, sorry to hear that. Have you tired North Las Vegas PD or Metro up here? They are hiring.........

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Outshined
              This is a red flag to any agency. When we release someone on probation, we are instructed not to give a specific reason for letting them go. Just that they did not pass probation. Usually there are numerous reasons, or one big one they are released. I have only done it twice in 20+ years.

              Don't know your situation, but I would not consider hiring someone who was released while on probation, unless I could find out the specific reason and it didn't affect the position he was applying for.
              I almost think it would have been better for them to give some kind of lame excuse. Then the next agency could have looked at it an decided if it was something they could live with.

              Of course, had they done that with no documentation, I would have sued them in a heart beat.

              Maybe all the examples I gave in my OP should be encouraging me rather than boggling my mind! That there is always an agency who will hire someone regardless of their past even if my recent past is nothing of my own doing.

              It just amazes me that being released from probation is WORSE than committing a crime!
              Those who are successful at what they do don't give a rip about what others think about them.

              We don't rent pigs.

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              • #8
                Thats lame. I was unaware the LE agencies were "At Will" employers. IMO, in this case, or the case of someone getting let go while still under probation, the agency should have to disclose the reason for the release. Because, now, obviously its going to be difficult, if not immpossible, to find another job in LE. Good luck man, I hope everything works out for you.
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                • #9
                  If you don't pass probation at my dept they give you ample clue that you suck prior to firing you, most people see it coming and resign. Some do some soul searching and come back, most do not. It takes A LOT at my dept for them to actually fire someone on probation, there are more than a few people who I personally know that SHOULD NOT have passed but somehow are out on the streets creating a dangerous situation for any other officer that has to sit in a car with them.

                  The only thing that bothers me with your post is "even if my recent past is nothing of my own doing." Not passing probation is your own doing, something you did or didn't do, didn't quite get or the mentality that you had while there contributed to it. Quit the "I'm the innocent victim" mentality that you are currently displaying and keep your head up.

                  The dept you were working for was just not a good fit, you'll find the right place. Keep applying and don't give up, but take this experience and really take an in depth look at yourself and see what you can change to make yourself a better cop.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mtxpro752 View Post
                    If you don't pass probation at my dept they give you ample clue that you suck prior to firing you, most people see it coming and resign.
                    So, my clues would have been the three satisfactory evaluations, the commendation, being given extra assignments, being given lots of overtime, and being sent to extra training at considerable agency expense? Boy, those were great clues that I sucked; I'm surprised I missed them!

                    The other officers who were also "canned" (one from probation and the other a long-time employee) after I was hired and before the new administration took over, must have missed their clues, too.

                    Most officers who have never been a part of a small town agency won't understand how this kind of thing can happen.

                    [/QUOTE]Some do some soul searching and come back, most do not. It takes A LOT at my dept for them to actually fire someone on probation, there are more than a few people who I personally know that SHOULD NOT have passed but somehow are out on the streets creating a dangerous situation for any other officer that has to sit in a car with them.[/QUOTE]

                    That's for sure; maybe we worked for the same department. The one I just left has two who were failures at their previous departments, but they made the cut. The first squeaked by his probation date prior to the new administration's arrival and seemed to have a pretty chummy relationship with the administrator before the new one. The other has issues, too, but seems to be surviving. He can barely write a report and has the personality of a rock.

                    [/QUOTE]The only thing that bothers me with your post is "even if my recent past is nothing of my own doing." Not passing probation is your own doing, something you did or didn't do, didn't quite get or the mentality that you had while there contributed to it. Quit the "I'm the innocent victim" mentality that you are currently displaying and keep your head up.[/QUOTE]

                    There's some truth to what you are saying, but when there is nothing to indicate there's an issue, how would I ever know? Have my Tarot cards read? Use a Magic 8 Ball? I worked hard, contributed to improving this agency, which had a bad reputation well before I got there, and was supportive of the new administration and looked forward to the improvements he was reportedly going to make.

                    [/QUOTE]The dept you were working for was just not a good fit, you'll find the right place. Keep applying and don't give up, but take this experience and really take an in depth look at yourself and see what you can change to make yourself a better cop.[/QUOTE]

                    Oh, I'm not done yet, but I have to admit the thought has crossed my mind. I think if I could find a similarly paid and benefited non-LE position, I would take it.

                    After some of the stuff I've seen and heard of, I wonder why I want to be a part of LE any longer. I mean look at the examples in the OP!

                    I have also taken some serious steps to get my physical fitness to a better level. I also know I will have a more appreciative attitude about my next position.

                    I know the the whole experience will make me a better cop, but it's frustrating to have to go through all this baloney this late in my career and with a huge family to support.

                    I appreciate the encouragement.
                    Those who are successful at what they do don't give a rip about what others think about them.

                    We don't rent pigs.

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                    • #11
                      Ohhh... I know of a Captain who, well before he was promoted, failed to pat down a suspect sufficiently before interviewing them. The suspect swallowed the hot end in the middle of the interview.

                      I also know of a local Chief who, while intoxicated after leaving a local bar, conducted an off-duty stop on a patron of the SAME bar, and tried to arrest him for DUI. An LT who was with him had to pull him away and force him to leave. He's still the chief, and his department is still being run into the ground. The young troops just haven't figured it out yet.

                      Just a few examples fresh in my memory.

                      Originally posted by Outshined
                      This is a red flag to any agency. When we release someone on probation, we are instructed not to give a specific reason for letting them go. Just that they did not pass probation.
                      IMO, that's a pretty cute way of avoiding lawsuits.

                      Bark, mtxpro752 makes a great point. Use this to learn what you need to change in order to become a better cop. There is always SOMETHING you can do differently.

                      I had a similar experience. I was asked to resign for doing the same thing numerous other officers had done. The difference was, I had a verbal output problem, and they wanted me gone because of it - They just didn't want to be honest with me, and tell me THAT was the reason. Looking back, there were things I could have done differently. But, the chips fell where they did, and I wouldn't change a thing for the world. In any case, keep your chin up, do some soul-searching, keep trying, and move on.
                      "...I'm gonna' ride that one-legged pony to baloney town..."

                      "I just assume most people are half-retarded, and it's my job to remind 'em."

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                      • #12
                        Being in an industry outside of LE, and just having met you for the first time, my initial impression of you is a person who takes no ownership of the role he played in his own failure but instead would rather focus on the success of those around him who he deems inferior to himself, and wonder why they succedd and he doesn't since he is the obvious better candidate.

                        I suggest you totally stop any focus on others and concentrate on things that effect your performance. What how others get thier jobs done is totally irrelevant to your situation. Pointing out the failures in others does not make you look better.

                        Perhaps if you can contact your 3 past supervisors off the record and apologize for any actions you may have done and try and get an off the record opinion of where the friction was.

                        Or I could be all wet.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by David Hineline View Post
                          Being in an industry outside of LE, and just having met you for the first time, my initial impression of you is a person who takes no ownership of the role he played in his own failure but instead would rather focus on the success of those around him who he deems inferior to himself, and wonder why they succedd and he doesn't since he is the obvious better candidate.

                          I suggest you totally stop any focus on others and concentrate on things that effect your performance. What how others get thier jobs done is totally irrelevant to your situation. Pointing out the failures in others does not make you look better.

                          Perhaps if you can contact your 3 past supervisors off the record and apologize for any actions you may have done and try and get an off the record opinion of where the friction was.

                          Or I could be all wet.
                          The agency head who released me assured me I would get a solid reference from him and, to his credit, he has done so (at least that is what I have unofficially heard from another source). Even though, I honestly don't think approaching him off the record would work, since at the time, he was clear that he had been instructed not to discuss the matter any further.

                          I am very willing to look at my performance and make improvements, but one can only do that IF they are aware of what needs improving. I thought this was done via performance evaluations, but apparently I should be reading between the lines and trying to figure out what my supervisors really think and totally disregard what they write down.

                          I know I shouldn't be pointing at others, but my intent was to show that even those LE who have committed crimes seem to be able to get hired again, while I am sitting here trying to figure out what I did that was so wrong and is making agencies not want to proceed.

                          What is it about some who seem to skate on the things they do? Is it just dumb luck on their part and the rest of us have to work for what we get?
                          Those who are successful at what they do don't give a rip about what others think about them.

                          We don't rent pigs.

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                          • #14
                            When I had my POST supervisor training I was surprised to hear the instructor say to never give a reason for rejecting someone on probation. Legally you don't have to- so keep your life simple. He went on to explain that if a reason is given there must also be supporting documentation. I found out though that my department choses to treat every employee as if they are off probation and a solid case must be made for termination. It's a lot of work and it can drag on for months. And it's the most unpleasant thing I have ever had to (repeatedly) do.
                            I find it hard to believe you don't know why you were let go. If you truly don't know here's how you might figure it out: Get a copy of your duty description, read it, and keep it handy to refer to. Then get a copy of Government Code Section 19572 (all sub-sections) and do the same. The answer should be in front of you if you can be honest with yourself.

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                            • #15
                              I know I shouldn't be pointing at others, but my intent was to show that even those LE who have committed crimes seem to be able to get hired again, while I am sitting here trying to figure out what I did that was so wrong and is making agencies not want to proceed.

                              What is it about some who seem to skate on the things they do? Is it just dumb luck on their part and the rest of us have to work for what we get?


                              They probably fessed up to it and admitted thier actions without excuse and developed a plan and documented and instituted said plan on how they will never go down that path again.

                              You on the other hand have no clue where the problem is so how do you indicate and implement a plan of corrective action.

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