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    I was wondering about posting this thread but I keep wondering on what other officers would have done in my situation. A few weeks ago one of our "clients" was extradited on various charges, well the next morning he refused to come out to go to court as he kept demanding that he was bringing all *his* belongings with him even though the things he had were county issued property. Well he refused to come out of the dayroom and a Sgt had to go in there and talk with him (thats how it's handled at this facility) well, when he came out he of course became verbally abusive and then it escalated to physical. Once we got him restrained, myself and another deputy were escorting him down the hallway where he continued his tirade by yelling and jerking back and forth trying to break our grasp, well he broke free from the other deputy and headbutted me in the face and busted my nose, now at this time is when I assisted him to the wall so the other deputy could reaffirm his grasp but my partner says to me "You can't be doin that man, he's handcuffed!" I told him that he just assaulted me and to get his head out of his ***. Now, it was looked into by IA and administration and IA advised to take a charge out on the individual for assault on a LEO, which was done, but then I was called to the carpet by one of our command staff and pretty much reamed out for what happened as I was told "Well if you just gave the man what he asked for, you wouldn't have a busted nose and we wouldn't be going through any of this problem now would we?" Now what the guy was asking for was to bring all of his things into the court room with him because he was afraid the stuff would be "stolen" because as what he stated "I've been here plenty of times before, I know how it goes." Now, I was just wondering what anyone else would have done or said in my position? I'm not going to speak down or argue with someone in the command staff as I wont disrespect someone with a higher rank as me the same way I wont argue with someone the same rank as me because we're both at the same rank for a reason. Any input on this?
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    I agree with you, prisoners are like children, they can not be given their way after throwing a tantrum. I totally agree with the sheriff in Arizona who makes them wear pink. They are there to be punished, and should work for their lunches. not get them for free... =-/
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    • #3
      wow, sorry to hear about the lack of support you received. i'd start applying elsewhere, honestly.

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      • #4
        You did good.

        (But... You shouldn't have needed someone else to tell you to charge him.)

        You need to find a better place to work. You have enough time on now that you shouldn't have too much trouble finding a better employer.

        Good Luck
        "Why is common sense so rare?" - Me

        By the way.. They aren't "Clients" or "Customers" they're CRIMINALS... sheesh

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        • #5
          You were to "KIND" in your retraining of the bad behavior, my opinion... But you can speak your part "with respect" of course and kindly remind them how it is walking the beat and not sitting behind the desk...If delivered properly should be no trouble, couldn't tell you how to do that!! I would be in trouble, but that's me. Here that is Felony BATTERY LEO, even in the weak DOC it is not stood for. Yes have been in that exact position and yes I went before the man on it.

          I would as injun said, start looking. Good luck bro.....Push for the prosecution....
          Me in the Sunshine State

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          "I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do. That is character!"

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          • #6
            If the a****** deputy "assisting" you had properly restrained the prisoner, you wouldn't have a broken nose. He has no right criticizing you for doing what you had to do to properly secure an unsecured (regardless of being handcuffed), physically combative prisoner!

            Regarding the second guessing by some "pogue" about how the injury could have been avoided, you might want to suggest that he/she could insure having more/better backup available to prevent injuries. Perhaps a supervisor on hand whenever known, combative suspects are being moved, might result in having sufficient personnel present to avoid employees and prisoners getting injured!
            "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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            • #7
              Combative prisoner walking. Yeah, he can still headbutt you while he's in handcuffs. Take him down and caress his curly locks and golden tresses until you pick him up and park him in the restraint chair.

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              • #8
                See, thats exactly how I see it for the most part, I dont really like to play games because like most say, they're like children, you give them an inch and they take a mile. I dont mind listening to them if they have a legit question, comment or concern, but as most people know, it's never really anything important. There's alot of people there who know first hand, supervisors included, that I dont mind going hands on with someone who's combative, but I always get the short end of the stick. There's been plenty of times that I've responded to calls for assistance and I was told to stay back by a supervisor while someone else went in and pretty much stood there while one deputy broke a fight up and restrained a combative individual and had a hard time doing so and then I get pulled aside and told I have a temper problem because I'm sitting there watching one of my guys struggle with somebody and I can't get in there to help him, it's like a bad dream sometimes, ya know? Your partner is in there and needs help but you can't open the door or get over that wall/fence. But man...it's almost like they train you here to be afraid of them and let them do as they please. They come back from somewhere and talk to eachother at the windows, you look at them and say "move it along" or however you go about saying it and either A. they totally ignore you B. look you dead in the eye and go back to doing what they were doing or C. they start getting physical and then you have to explain yourself on why you did what you did instead of making this guy explain himself on why he chose to do what he did. I'm in the process right now to go to another department and I'm almost scared to death about not getting a call because law enforcement is all I've ever wanted in my life, I've grew up around it and I've always had the respect and the drive to want to do it, I mean even now, I'm a sworn deputy but I still look at other officers like I'm looking at them as a civilian and say to myself "Wow, That's the coolest thing I've ever seen!" I just hope this other process works out. And thanks to everyone who's wished me luck, I appreciate it!
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                • #9
                  That inmate would have missed his court date because he would have been in the hospital or clinic.

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                  • #10
                    Find another department. Your superiors are cowards, as is your partner that day. They will get you hurt or killed.
                    Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan

                    I don't think It'll happen in the US because we don't trust our government. We are a country of skeptics, raised by skeptics, founded by skeptics. - Amaroq

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                    • #11
                      Find somewhere else to work...sounds to me like I'd be calling my respective representative and looking into a lawsuit in regards to lack of safety practices/training.
                      Moooooooooooo, I'm a goat

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                      • #12
                        The only thing I can add is: NEVER allow a resistive/combative inmate/prisoner to remain vertical, ever. On the deck= more control.

                        Outside of that , get gone from the chickens**t dept youre at.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 11b101abn View Post
                          The only thing I can add is: NEVER allow a resistive/combative inmate/prisoner to remain vertical, ever. On the deck= more control.

                          Outside of that , get gone from the chickens**t dept youre at.
                          Exactly. Things start to go South, take it to the ground.

                          Oh yeah +1 to everyone who recommended seeking employment elsewhere. You are not there to coddle the inmates. You are there to run the facility in a safe and secure manner. I followed the Road House theory on things when I was in the jail. Be nice until it's time not to be nice.
                          "Valor would cease to be a virtue, if there were no injustice." -Agesilaus the Great

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                          • #14
                            haha, we're lucky we can handcuff these people, we're requested to call them "sir" and as the command staff say "These are our 'customers' our 'clients' treat them as such" and I'm wondering...what the hell are they paying for? One guy on july 4th weekend kept complaining he couldn't get ahold of his grandmother and wanted to come out of the dayroom to make an emergency call to dispatch to go do a welfare check. When we advised that it was 7am on a holiday weekend, and phones don't even come on till 9am so how can he not get ahold of her, he began kicking the door, A Sgt spoke to him and of course he came out and got his way because what was said "If I can just give them what they're asking for so I dont have to deal with the headache, thats what I'm going to do." The inmate looks at me and says "See, you do what I tell you to do, you work for me, I pay your salary." (I'm sure everyones heard that before) I told him he dont pay for a damn thing, infact, I pay for his *** to eat 3 meals a day. He tells me "Yeah, well, my grandmother pays your salary then." and I told him "Well, when you get ahold of her, let her know I appreciate that." Now I get a stare down when he walks through the hallways like he's gonna jump but like I said before, if something rolls, I gotta explain why I had to do what I did instead of asking this guy why he assaulted law enforcement. I can only PRAY I can get into this other department...
                            Last edited by DeputyG810; 07-21-2008, 01:29 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DeputyG810 View Post
                              he began kicking the door, A Sgt spoke to him and of course he came out and got his way because what was said "If I can just give them what they're asking for so I dont have to deal with the headache, thats what I'm going to do."
                              What a fine example of how to do the job and be a leader at the same time. Too bad people can't be fired for laziness and cowardice.
                              Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan

                              I don't think It'll happen in the US because we don't trust our government. We are a country of skeptics, raised by skeptics, founded by skeptics. - Amaroq

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