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    Why don't these people get it??

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377203,00.html

    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court's repeal of the ban on handguns in Washington, D.C., may be a boon for a segment of the firearms industry whose last major windfall might have been in the heyday of the Dirty Harry movies: those who make and sell revolvers.

    The court ruled that a blanket ban on handguns is unconstitutional, but D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty and other Washington officials want to keep in place a prohibition on semiautomatic handguns — those in which a bullet clip is inserted into the gun's grip.

    Such a ban would continue to outlaw 9-mm and other popular pistols that are legal in most other places around the United States. And it would make the classic six-shooter the only legal handgun in the District.

    For revolver manufacturers, a ban on semiautomatics in Washington could be good for business.

    "If there's a total ban on all semiautomatic handguns, oh, absolutely," said Paul Pluff, spokesman for Smith & Wesson, the nation's top revolver manufacturer. Smith & Wesson sold 185,000 revolvers in 2006, 48 percent of all revolvers made that year in the United States, according to Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms statistics released in January.

    Pluff recalled the last time revolver sales went through the roof — back in the 1970s.

    "Clint Eastwood — for several years — he was salesman of the year," Pluff said of the actor who portrayed vigilante cop Harry Callahan. In the Dirty Harry films, Eastwood's character brandished a Magnum .44-caliber Model 29 Smith & Wesson.

    The District of Columbia is currently in the midst of two parallel efforts to comply with the Supreme Court's ruling. The mayor's administration is revising its rules on dealing with registration and ownership of handguns, and separately, the D.C. Council is working on changing the city's laws.

    D.C. Councilman Phil Mendelson, who sponsored a bill last week to address the court's decision, told FOXNews.com he's willing to consider the fate of semiautomatic handguns, but he doesn't think it needs to be addressed immediately. His bill would not change the semiautomatic weapons law.

    He said the first thing the council will need to do is address the court's ruling that D.C.'s law must include a self-defense provision.

    "I think we should look at the definition of semiautomatics in relation to what's prohibited, but I'm seeing a short-term and a long-term approach. .... And in the short term, I don't think we need to address it," Mendelson said.

    At the moment, neither the mayor's nor the council's efforts appear aimed at changing the city's ban on semiautomatic guns.

    "Under District law that the Supreme Court did not disturb, automatic and semiautomatic handguns generally may not be registered. Revolvers in the home will be legal and, as before, residents remain free to register most shotguns and rifles," reads the city's Web site.

    "Automatic and semiautomatic handguns generally remain illegal in the District of Columbia with this ruling," Fenty said at a news conference following the court's ruling.

    In 1976, Washington, D.C., outlawed handguns altogether. And although the city allowed residents to own other firearms like rifles and shotguns, it was illegal from that point on to keep them loaded, even inside the home.

    The only handguns that remained legal following the ban were revolvers owned by residents and business owners before the ban was instituted — and those, too, had to be kept unloaded. According to city records taken in the months after the 1976 ban, some 42,000 handguns were legally registered at the time, but none of the records remain on how many were residents, business owners, or police officers, who also had to register their guns.

    According to ATF, 73 percent — or more than 1 million guns sold in the U.S. in 2006 — were semiautomatic pistols. National Rifle Association spokeswoman Rachel Parsons said if city officials try to keep semiautomatics outlawed, they can expect to hear from her organization.

    "The NRA is going to ensure that D.C. actually complies with its own laws and with the Supreme Court's decisions," she said.

    According to Parsons, D.C. code already has an allowance for some semiautomatic handguns — pistols with a magazine holding fewer than 12 live rounds were grandfathered under the now-overturned 1976 ban.

    "They are falsely claiming that all semiautomatic handguns are banned," Parsons said. She said the NRA will wait until the city sets its new rules to decide how to respond.

    The District interprets its prohibition to encompass all semiautomatic handguns. Alan Gura, one of the lawyers who represented D.C. residents seeking gun rights in District of Columbia v. Heller, said one line of D.C. code basically renders semiautomatic handguns as a machine gun, which would still be illegal.

    Current city law defines a "machine gun" to mean "any firearm which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily converted or restored to shoot: a) Automatically, more than one shot by a single function of the trigger; b) Semiautomatically, more than 12 shots without manual reloading."

    Gura said the Heller decision does not protect "dangerous or unusual weapons" — like fully automatic, military style machine guns — but it does protect weapons "in common use" or those people would use for "lawful purposes." Semiautomatics, which police departments have made their weapon of choice, would fall under that category, Gura said.

    "It's unfortunate that, you know, they seem to think that a ban on semiautomatic firearms is constitutional. It's not," Gura said. "Semiautomatics are garden variety. It's a normal, non-exotic, typical technology. It does not let you spray bullets. ... People here 'automatic,' and they think, 'Oh, it's Rambo.' It's not."

    Mendelson said he does have a limit to what he thinks is safe.

    "I think an individual possessing a handgun that can fire 18 rounds — that is loaded and can fire 18 rounds semiautomatically — is a problem for public safety in the District," Mendelson said. "I don't know what the correct number is, but something less (than 18 shots)."

    Peter Nickles, interim attorney general for the city, said it remains to be seen whether the city will include any updates on semiautomatics as part of its rules changes. Currently, the city is trying to balance a number of issues, including meeting the court's ruling and avoiding further legal challenges.

    Pluff said the argument for allowing semiautomatic pistols might be overstated, at least when it comes to self-defense. Revolvers are more accurate, more reliable and easier to manage than higher-tech semiautomatic pistols in an emergency, he said.

    "From an accuracy standpoint, from a reliability standpoint, revolvers are still very popular," Pluff said.

    He said the chief priority in his mind for a self-defense weapon is "to take myself away from danger. ... For most people, most confrontations, it's not going to be a high volume of rounds being shot."

    But, Pluff said, when it comes to safety inside the home — a major question in the minds of policymakers — semiautomatics and revolvers are no different.

    "Any gun is safe if properly stored and properly handled. ... Whether it's a semiautomatic or a revolver, it's a mechanical device. If you put that gun on a table and nobody touches it and nobody misuses it, that gun will never go off," Pluff said. "Any gun can be safe or unsafe depending on the person's consciousness to safety."
    Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
    --Winston Churchill--

    "Si vis pacem, para bellum"

  • #2
    Its strange to the think the Supreme Court didnt "entirely" remove the ban on guns. I think its idiotic that DC gets to continue to outlaw most guns, and then not even let the people carry them concealed on the street.
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    "I think many years ago an advanced civilization intervened with us genetically and gave us just enough intelligence to develop dangerous technology but not enough to use it wisely. Then they sat back to watch the fun. Kind of like a human zoo. And you know what? They're getting their money's worth"
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    • #3
      So if they resort to making it "only" legal for revolver type pistols, the new stipulation will be that the rounds have to be blank rounds or the round must fall immediately to the ground upon leaving the barrel.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SoCalSheriff View Post
        Why don't these people get it??

        http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377203,00.html

        "Under District law that the Supreme Court did not disturb, automatic and semiautomatic handguns generally may not be registered. Revolvers in the home will be legal and, as before, residents remain free to register most shotguns and rifles," reads the city's Web site.

        According to ATF, 73 percent — or more than 1 million guns sold in the U.S. in 2006 — were semiautomatic pistols. National Rifle Association spokeswoman Rachel Parsons said if city officials try to keep semiautomatics outlawed, they can expect to hear from her organization.

        The District interprets its prohibition to encompass all semiautomatic handguns. Alan Gura, one of the lawyers who represented D.C. residents seeking gun rights in District of Columbia v. Heller, said one line of D.C. code basically renders semiautomatic handguns as a machine gun, which would still be illegal.

        Current city law defines a "machine gun" to mean "any firearm which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily converted or restored to shoot: a) Automatically, more than one shot by a single function of the trigger; b) Semiautomatically, more than 12 shots without manual reloading."
        The efforts by politicians to break the law by changing the definition of what is or is not a "machinegun", legal handguns, etc... is disgusting. I'm not sure I could enforce laws that clearly are contrary to the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling and intent. This is no different from attempts to circumvent court decisions outlawing segregation in the 1960's. It's beyond "politics as usual" and borders on criminality.
        Last edited by pulicords; 07-07-2008, 01:58 PM.
        "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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        • #5
          You may only see this once but I'll say it......

          It's stories like this that make California look not so bad after all.......
          Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
          --Winston Churchill--

          "Si vis pacem, para bellum"

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          • #6
            D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty and other Washington officials want to keep in place a prohibition on semiautomatic handguns — those in which a bullet clip is inserted into the gun's grip.






            First of all, it is not a clip --but is called a magazine!

            Second, it is not even worth arguing this topic with anyone who equates a semi-automatic pistol with a machine gun. Jeez!


            Too bad that so many in the media don't even know which end of the tube the round exits.


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            • #7
              If semi automatic is the limiter for possesion, I would have a DPMS pump action .223 pistol.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by David Hineline View Post
                If semi automatic is the limiter for possesion, I would have a DPMS pump action .223 pistol.
                Ya beat me to it! There's finally a market for this beauty!


                D.C. needs to understand how to approach home defense.
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmLxWXJkq1c
                Last edited by velobard; 07-07-2008, 07:32 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by David Hineline View Post
                  If semi automatic is the limiter for possesion, I would have a DPMS pump action .223 pistol.
                  With a 100 round Beta mag :-)


                  I wonder with the high crime rate in DC exactly what % of the gen population is felons anyway ?? IE they cannot legally own a gun to begin with ?? I know in Toledo there were several drug raids of motel rooms where the bad guys had complete POS semi-auto that fired one shot and jammed, thus preventing them from harming the officers, who subsequently shot them full of holes. If they had revolvers they arguably could have gotten 6-9 shots off depending on the revolver.
                  Bill
                  Last edited by willbird; 07-08-2008, 12:12 PM.
                  Just pay your dues, and be quiet :-)

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                  • #10
                    Great, so instead of carrying 9's which are easily stopped by body armor, we are not going to have everyone carrying 44's which will go through BA or your wall, your nieghbor's wall and kill them sleeping in thier bed.

                    This was really well thought out.
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                    it is one we are creating.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DoTheNumbers View Post
                      Great, so instead of carrying 9's which are easily stopped by body armor, we are not going to have everyone carrying 44's which will go through BA or your wall, your nieghbor's wall and kill them sleeping in thier bed.

                      This was really well thought out.
                      Not to mention it pretty much assures there will be no brass left at the scene to help an investigation.

                      44 Mags are wimps in comparison to the S&W 500. Check out the ballistics from Winchester with a 400 grain load.
                      Muzzle velocity:1800 energy:2877

                      You can load over 700 grains for that gun. Just doing my part to make everyone feel better. You can take comfort that the average person in DC likely won't be able to afford the 500 or the ammo for it ($2-3/round).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DoTheNumbers View Post
                        This was really well thought out.
                        I think that's the key to it, the ones making those laws probably know little to nothing about firearms.

                        This morning I was watching some gal on TRU TV, formerly COURT TV (a gun store owner is on trial for selling a Remington 870 to someone that murdered a gal with it) go on and on about why would citizens need automatic weapons anyway. AKs are military rifles, guns are made to kill people, etc. Her guest kept reminding her that the Supreme Court just ruled on it and there were differences in the types of weapons, etc. but it didn't seem to matter. She is the kind of person that gets elected to many city councils.

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                        • #13
                          Keep in mind that we are talking about a city that not too long ago, elected a convicted felon for it's mayor.

                          I feel for the good folk of DC, I just can't reach them.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DoTheNumbers View Post
                            Great, so instead of carrying 9's which are easily stopped by body armor, we are not going to have everyone carrying 44's which will go through BA or your wall, your nieghbor's wall and kill them sleeping in thier bed.

                            This was really well thought out.




                            Originally posted by velobard View Post
                            Not to mention it pretty much assures there will be no brass left at the scene to help an investigation.

                            Uhhm, you both appear to be under the misconception that criminals will follow this law and turn in there illegal semi-auto's for "legal" revolvers. The criminals will continue doing business as usual.

                            DC should just redefine what a crime and a criminal is. Change all the homicides to accidental deaths from lead poisoning and then they can sit and be happy that they have dramatically reduced crime and increased public safety.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GGG View Post
                              Change all the homicides to accidental deaths from lead poisoning...
                              Naaa...just call it 'natural causes'.
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