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  • Any big agencies still NOT deploying patrol rifles?

    If not, are you planning on doing so soon? Seems like most agencies are now doing this, so I was wondering if any reasonably decent sized agencies were still not doing so; and if not, why not? Or are you contemplating it, but still haven't formally decided to do it yet? And if so, are you deploying (or planning to deploy) with personally owned patrol rifles, or Dept purchased/owned weapons?

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    Originally posted by msw View Post
    If not, are you planning on doing so soon? Seems like most agencies are now doing this, so I was wondering if any reasonably decent sized agencies were still not doing so; and if not, why not? Or are you contemplating it, but still haven't formally decided to do it yet? And if so, are you deploying (or planning to deploy) with personally owned patrol rifles, or Dept purchased/owned weapons?
    NYPD does not have patrol rifles. The emergency services unit has them though. I doubt you will ever see NYPD putting rifles in their cars.
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    • #3
      Thats a darn shame, I honestly feel that a rifle in every unit trunk in the USA is one of the BIGGEST homeland security bonus's we could achieve. To ever NEED one and not HAVE one that is sighted in to your use is a crime IMHO.

      Bill
      Last edited by willbird; 05-11-2008, 10:47 AM.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by willbird View Post
        Thats a darn shame, I honestly feel that a rifle in every unit trunk in the USA is one of the BIGGEST homeland security bonus's we could achieve. To ever NEED one and not HAVE one that is sighted in to your use is a crime IMHO.

        Bill
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        there are agencies in my area that can carry anything they want short of a bazooka..

        Okies like thier guns
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        • #5
          My department has about 1500 employees, I don't picture us ever having them. I cant really say that I feel like I am under gunned not having them, we have our sidearms and every car has a shot gun.

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          • #6
            We have approximately 100 officers located around the state, and still we have no policy governing long-guns. I guess someone is going to have to get killed. I have a Mossberg 12 guage, and a Bushmaster M4 just itching to hop in my Jeep. I bought them when I was a city cop.

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            • #7
              My department is far from large, about 40 sworn, but we have department issued Mini-14s for every officer. We all have issued shotguns too, though mine almost never leaves my locker, the Mini goes out with me on every shift.
              -Landric

              "The Engine could still smile...it seemed to scare them"-Felix

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              • #8
                Originally posted by cellison1460 View Post
                My department has about 1500 employees, I don't picture us ever having them. I cant really say that I feel like I am under gunned not having them, we have our sidearms and every car has a shot gun.
                I'm sure LAPD didn't feel undergunned without rifles either, until North Hollywood happened....
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                • #9
                  I don't think Atlanta has a patrol rifle program. I'm glad we have one in place.
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                  • #10
                    My dept. (about 900 officers) doesn't have them. We supposedly have a program in the works and I hope to have one in my car.
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                    • #11
                      We dont have AR-15s in every car.....only in a few per shift.....they are talking about expanding the program, but it will be probably be awhile.....
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                      • #12
                        we've got around 700 officers. the dept has rifles assigned to each precinct and unit. those that are certified are issued them as they become available. if you leave the unit or precinct you turn it back in.

                        if you have your own AR/M4 and it meets the depts specs you are allowed to carry it no matter where you're assigned.
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                        • #13
                          Our SWAT guys are allowed to carry their AR-15s/M4s on duty. The rest of us are stuck with MP5s. We haven't had shotguns since '96, when we went to the MP5. We ditched the alley sweepers because there were some pansies who couldn't handle the recoil from a 12 gauge, and because the MP5 is more accurate. Well, more accurate than buckshot, but about the same accuracy as a slug, and I'd rather send a solid ounce of lead downrange than 147 grains - not only is there tremendous energy behind the slug, it makes a huge hole - the bigger the hole, the faster the fight ends. I never carried buckshot anyway, only slugs.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ateamer View Post
                            Our SWAT guys are allowed to carry their AR-15s/M4s on duty. The rest of us are stuck with MP5s. We haven't had shotguns since '96, when we went to the MP5. We ditched the alley sweepers because there were some pansies who couldn't handle the recoil from a 12 gauge, and because the MP5 is more accurate. Well, more accurate than buckshot, but about the same accuracy as a slug, and I'd rather send a solid ounce of lead downrange than 147 grains - not only is there tremendous energy behind the slug, it makes a huge hole - the bigger the hole, the faster the fight ends. I never carried buckshot anyway, only slugs.
                            STUCK WITH MP5s???????

                            I'll trade you my POS Ithica for your MP5.....any day......
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                            • #15
                              I wish I were stuck with a MP5.
                              -Landric

                              "The Engine could still smile...it seemed to scare them"-Felix

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