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    For those with degrees in CJ, is there a generally held theory of how many cops an agency should have per 1000 citizens?

    We are kind of in a weird situation here as better than half our population of 7200 are incarcerated (we have two prisons in the city limits).

    If you minus the convicts, we have 3200 people with five full-time cops who work patrol. That's just over 1.5 cops per capita, right?

    How does that compare to some of you in smaller agencies?
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  • #2
    I'm not in a smaller agency, but heres some info.

    Population -- 227,000 +

    Sworn Officers -- 250

    Officer per 1,000 population is about 1.1 and I believe most of the cities in san diego county are similiar.

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    • #3
      2 prisons and 5 full time cops.

      not great odds if one of those prisons went up in flames. OR you had a mass break out.

      just a thought,
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      • #4
        Here:

        Total Population: appx. 1,400,000 (as of 2000 census)

        County Police: appx 2,500 sworn officers.
        County Sheriff: appx. 1,300 (only about 350 are deputies however, rest are correction officers).
        Town/Village Police: I would say about 600 officers employed by a good 15 to 25 different agencies.

        In my community, we have 2 - 3 County Police officers per shift for 6.6 square miles and about 32,000 people. So it comes down to about 1 officer for every 14,000 people and 3.3 square miles. Since the County PD patrols all surrounding communities officers can be taken from one community and assigned to another so we very often sometimes only have a single officer actually patrolling my community.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by texaschickeee View Post
          2 prisons and 5 full time cops.

          not great odds if one of those prisons went up in flames. OR you had a mass break out.

          just a thought,
          With a situation like that, I wonder what the percentage of gun ownership is among the non-incarcerated residents.

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          • #6
            Well. We're somewhere around 30K give or take. We have approximately 100 sworn.
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            • #7
              There are several factors to consider when discussing cops to population ratio. One of the most important is the demographic traits and characteristics of a community or location. Cities with housing projects, parolee houses, low income apartments, etc would require a higher cop to population ratio than a city with middle to upper income housing. Using just the population is not an accurate measurement.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by barkalot View Post
                For those with degrees in CJ, is there a generally held theory of how many cops an agency should have per 1000 citizens?

                We are kind of in a weird situation here as better than half our population of 7200 are incarcerated (we have two prisons in the city limits).

                If you minus the convicts, we have 3200 people with five full-time cops who work patrol. That's just over 1.5 cops per capita, right?

                How does that compare to some of you in smaller agencies?
                When you consider some of the additional problems that a prison (or two) bring to your community, 5 full time cops seems like a very small number. You should actually take into account a certain percentage of your incarcerated population when considering how your per capita stacks up against other communities due to the element that having a populated prison brings into your community, even if they're just visiting.
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                • #9
                  Around 1 million with approx 2200 sworn. So we are around 2.2 per 1000.
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                  • #10
                    You would think with the two prisons we would have "prison slums" or whatever the term is for the little neighborhoods that surround prisons, but we don't.

                    While I have only been there s short time, I can't say I know anyone in town who has a relative in one of our prisons.

                    I see some people who are there visiting and surprisingly they are well-dressed people driving newer vehicles and have come from out of the area.

                    We don't investigate any of the serious crimes that occur in the prisons, except for the occasional drug possession by a visitor. The prisons have other arrangements for their investigative needs.

                    It sounds like (minus our prison population) we are right in the ballpark as far as per capita, but keep in mind we run one cop per shift.

                    Maybe I should approach negotiations from a safety perspective.
                    Those who are successful at what they do don't give a rip about what others think about them.

                    We don't rent pigs.

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                    • #11
                      City of Chicago - 2,833,321 population
                      City of Chicago Police - 13,619 sworn
                      1 officer per 208 persons or 4.8 per 1000

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