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  • Who's country is it, anyways?!?

    Does this make anyone else wanna say 'WTF?" It IS our country...isn't it? Then WHY do the USBP agents feel compelled to RETREAT every time they 'encounter' Mexican Army personnel?


    INS confirms border incident with Mexico
    By Bill McAllister
    Denver Post Washington Bureau Chief
    Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - WASHINGTON - Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., accused the Mexican army Tuesday of staging a "military
    incursion" Friday night into southern Arizona that ended with Mexican soldiers firing shots at a U.S. Border Patrol vehicle.

    Lori Haley, an Immigration and Naturalization spokeswoman, confirmed that an incident occurred in a remote area near Ajo, Ariz.

    A U.S. agent spotted three Mexican soldiers in a Mexican Humvee on U.S. soil and was attempting to leave the area when the rear
    window of his vehicle was apparently shattered by gunfire, she said. The agent was leaving the area "in an effort to avoid a
    confrontation" with the Mexicans, she said.

    "Because of the seriousness of the incident" Haley said, U.S. authorities launched a formal investigation and are asking Mexican
    authorities to do the same.

    The Mexican government previously has rejected Tancredo's charges that Mexican police and military units frequently cross the border.
    Tancredo, who leads a group of lawmakers opposed to liberalizing immigration laws, has said U.S. officials believe the incursions are
    related to drug trafficking.

    The Republican from Littleton said he fears gunplay between U.S. and Mexican authorities unless officials stop the incursions. "Unless
    we open our eyes and recognize that what's happening along the U.S.-Mexico border is real, one of our guys is going to get killed," he
    said.

    The INS confirmed the incident, but Tancredo's version differed somewhat. He said 10 soldiers were involved and the shot damaged
    more than the Border Patrol's rear window. He also said the Mexicans came 10 miles into the U.S before they were spotted.

    Tancredo said U.S. agents believe the shots were fired because Mexican authorities were pursuing drug dealers into the U.S.

    "They are saying they had interdicted a huge shipment of drugs," he said. "Therefore everyone was antsy."

    But "regardless of the circumstances, they had happy trigger fingers," he said.

    The U.S. vehicle was "clearly marked" and should have been recognizable, he said.

    The agent told him, " "As far as I am concerned, that (incursion) should be an act of war,' " Tancredo said.

    On May 3, Tancredo wrote Mexican President Vicente Fox demanding that he halt "incursions" by Mexican law enforcement officers into
    the U.S.

    Fox didn't respond.

    "When you guys get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a *****."
    -Commanding General, 1st Marine Division

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    Does this make anyone else wanna say 'WTF?" It IS our country...isn't it? Then WHY do the USBP agents feel compelled to RETREAT every time they 'encounter' Mexican Army personnel?

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    I agree they should call in air support
    Bill R

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    • #3
      "Interdicted" a drug shipment...

      Only if "interdicted" is Mexican for "escorting".



      Don't get me going!
      -Sparky

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sparky:
        "Interdicted" a drug shipment...

        Only if "interdicted" is Mexican for "escorting".



        Don't get me going!
        Coulda sworn they spoke Spanish down there...
        Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass.
        -Mark Twain

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        • #5
          Originally posted by n567:


          Coulda sworn they spoke Spanish down there...
          I think the folks in Spain would disagree...
          Bill R

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          • #6
            Problem is the Border Patrol is a law enforcement agency, and it should be a military agency. They should engage the invading army.
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            • #7
              Dont get me wrong y'all, but, at least in this instance the BP Agent used good officer safety. At least 3 ARMED soldiers against one BP Agent...The story then says 10 soldiers. I'd of backed off also. From my talking some BP Agents both current and former, many times BP is far from back up and alone...

              Now I WHOLE HARDEDLY AGREE something should be done, but, like has been said BP is an LE agency not an Army.

              [ 05-22-2002: Message edited by: Ron1432 ]
              Walk slow, Talk low, and Don't say Too Much.

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              • #8
                My biggest 'beef' is that this is NOT an isolated incident. These sort of encounters KEEP happening, time and time again....and apparently the USBP agents CANNOT 'return fire'.
                "When you guys get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a *****."
                -Commanding General, 1st Marine Division

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                • #9
                  When I first read this it pizzed me off so bad I had to just let it pass for the time being. Then when I came back to it after calming down I find that Ron has already posted what I planned on saying.

                  I do think they were wise to back off. I know that even if the odds were right, I would not want to be the one to escalate what would become an international incident. True, THEY started it, but under the circumstances I think the agent(s) were right to back off.

                  However I think that now that they know it is going on, appropriate action should be taken!
                  6P1 (retired)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bill R:


                    I think the folks in Spain would disagree...
                    Oh, there are a few differances, but really, it's like comparing the U.S to England, or Australia.
                    Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass.
                    -Mark Twain

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                    • #11
                      n567, yeah you're right. I was being sarcastic. I can usually understand Aussies, but some Brits really leave me scratching my head...You sure it's the same language?

                      I think from an officer safety standpoint backing off was wise. The issue of escalating an international incident I don't care. Armed troops entering another country without permission is an act of war. In several of these incidents the Mexican troops have fired on our guys. We should hit them hard when they pull this crap. If the
                      Mexicans don't like it tough What the heck are they gonna do about it anyway?
                      Bill R

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                      • #12
                        Shooter and I were apparently posting at the same time when I made the above post. I did NOT realize that this wasn't an isolated incident. However that does not change my belief that in this case the agents acted appropriately.

                        That being said, I do believe it is time we put our troops on the border and END this type of BS. As far as USBP agents being prohibited from returning fire that is the biggest bunch of political shidt I've ever heard.

                        Don't know about those fellas in green, but I can tell you if somebody shoots at me, I'm gonna do my best to take him/them out. USBP agents were the best backup that I had when I worked down near the border!

                        [ 05-22-2002: Message edited by: Don ]
                        6P1 (retired)

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                        • #13
                          The reaction was the correct one. Moving out of the area, while on the radio alerting others of the situation was absolutely right.

                          In such a case, the civilian law is acting as observors and the information is time critical. Who knows but that the next sound those Mexican Army folks hear is the sound of 40mm rounds impacting their little hummer as an Apache helicopter moves overhead?

                          How about opening another thread, to discuss the

                          other actions to take against military strikes in American cities while waiting for the US military to show up?

                          Jim Burnes

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                          • #14
                            If I was that BP, I would be backing off too... When a BPA is on roving(offroad) patrol, he has to cover a 15 mile zone! His/her backup is a easy 30-45 mins away. He was outnumbered, and outgunned! BPA made a smart choice!
                            "24 beers in a case...24 hrs in a day..... Coincidence???"

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                            • #15
                              Heck lets make it easy for us and just invade the counrty of mexico and make our border a shorter distance when we stop at Honduras. LOL This way we will have a nice new terrory to settle in and be rid of those people who want to be in the united states all the time. Then we can build a nice wall topped with razor wire to keep people out.

                              klar
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