AntiFirstAmendment domestic terrorists trash Biden campaign office in Portland:

[Aidokea]

...it appears to be along the lines of that recently made up word, covfefe.

Covfefe is more real than you are...

[retired137]

Covfefe is more real than you are...

You truly hurt my feelings, I can't handle it so I'll cut and run. Oh I'm so sorry, that's you.

[scotty_appleton814]

I don't know why its so difficult for people to figure out that the people involved in spray painting things like that photo, saying the ACAB slogan, fire bombing property, throwing god knows what at USMS tend to be the extreme anti government types. There is very little difference between those individuals and right wing extremists. These are also the same people who from just my observation tote around hammer and sickle flags, and various other forms of iconography that are at odds with the system the U.S has. A very large number of the people who are at these functions at night who get arrested have prior offense records.

Show me 3 anti-government extremists who were not right wingers and arrested for such.

[Aidokea]

Lol- you've clearly not been to downtown Portland after dark since that felon expired of a fentanyl overdose while resisting arrest in Minnesota...

[scotty_appleton814]

No I have not went to downtown Portland since 2014. Is that when the felon expired from a fentanyl overdose? I thought about putting a jab towards you in this response, but decided against it. Would hate for your precious feelings to be hurt with by my thoughts. Though you tend to share your worthless ones here.

[Bing_Oh]

Show me 3 anti-government extremists who were not right wingers and arrested for such.

Weather Underground, Black Panthers, New World Liberation Front, Symbionese Liberation Front...need I go on?

[scotty_appleton814]

Weather Underground, Black Panthers, New World Liberation Front, Symbionese Liberation Front...need I go on?

How about we fast forward to the 21st Century and 2020. Your anti-government nuts are now right wingers intent on overthrowing governments or taking out politicians. It's crazy how that pengelium swung the other way.

[retired137]

Weather Underground, Black Panthers, New World Liberation Front, Symbionese Liberation Front...need I go on?

Black Panthers? I'd like to know the reason they were formed, history appears to be repeating itself. No matter where we go, there we are.

[SOCAleo]

13 men were just arrested and charged for plotting to kidnap the governor of Michigan. The ring leader is an avowed Anarchist and posted a video with the sentiment while sitting in front of the Anarchy flag. The article states this group based on their rhetoric were no way aligned with Trump or the right.

Anarchist are aligned with the left.

Article linked below:

Surprise! Dudes Who Plotted To Kill Michigan Governor Are Anarchists Not Trump Supporters – Def-Con News

[scotty_appleton814]

Black Panthers? I'd like to know the reason they were formed, history appears to be repeating itself. No matter where we go, there we are.

Was the carrying of weapons in public and state buildings illegal in a lot of places before the Black Panthers did it?

[SOCAleo]

How about we fast forward to the 21st Century and 2020. Your anti-government nuts are now right wingers intent on overthrowing governments or taking out politicians. It's crazy how that pengelium swung the other way.

I agree with your sentiment scotty when it comes to the majority of anti-government groups being more of the right wing variety, but you can't ignore Antifa or Occupy Wall Street. Those are two "21st Century" left wing groups.

Now, examine todays headlines and you will see one specific group that is causing serious damage to American society.

I know you are intelligent and I don't need to define anarchy and or chaos to you, so if you look at what happens wherever Antifa is "protesting" you will see the exact definition of anarchy and chaos. I'm not defending right wing groups when I say this, but what really have they done recently that has caused such a mass scale of unrest?

You being a cop, should be on the side of law and order. Not accusing you at all of protecting left wing groups, but you should be more vocal about both right and left wing groups. Condemn them both! But specifically, condemn the one that is causing civil unrest currently.

We as Americans have a constitutional right to peacefully protest for the purpose of petitioning Congress for a redress of grievances. What is happening in Portland and other major cities across our country is not protected constitutionally, it is simply criminal.

The pendulum has not swung the other way, it has just changed titles and faces. The end goal of both groups is really the same. Down with the current capitalist system and American values. One wants to rebuild the government with tyranny and the other with totalitarianism.

And you should be concerned. When you put on that uniform everyday, you as a uniformed beat cop, are the most tangible and most easily accessible face of the government. You are hated by both sides of the two and don't think for one minute that Antifa will bypass you when an all out insurrection occurs. They won't know or even give a shat that you lean towards their side of the argument. All they will see is your uniform and immediately associate you with the system they seek to destroy.

[Bing_Oh]

How about we fast forward to the 21st Century and 2020. Your anti-government nuts are now right wingers intent on overthrowing governments or taking out politicians. It's crazy how that pengelium swung the other way.

You didn't ask for 2020 examples, you asked for left wing anti-government examples (which I gave).

Now, if you'd like 2020 examples, then I'm more than happy to mention Antifa, BLM-affiliated rioters, and CHAZ "occupiers" in places like Portland and Seattle that we've been watching for months now. You can deny their existence if you like, but their actions (like attacking courthouses and police stations, for example) are no different from the groups I listed above. In fact, their political ideologies are even the same (Marxism, Socialism, anti-capitalism)...there are now groups who are calling themselves "liberation fronts" and like, just like in the 70's.

[scotty_appleton814]

I admit, I totally forgot about about that treasonous activity in Seattle. I thought that **** was ridiculous. Didn't they have the person in the park that was shot by friendly fire by another protester and I want to say when they were on I-5 one of them got hit by a car? But a MN PD station was shot up by a right winger too.

[CCCSD]

Was the carrying of weapons in public and state buildings illegal in a lot of places before the Black Panthers did it?

I thought you were leaving?

[SOCAleo]

Was the carrying of weapons in public and state buildings illegal in a lot of places before the Black Panthers did it?

Yes it was and if anything the gun laws have gotten more laxed since.

BLM protests with guns and none have been reported as being arrested for doing so. If you don't believe me, here is a linked article with videos showing just that:

Heavily-armed leftist gun club patrolling streets of Seattle’s CHAZ to ‘ward off dangerous extremists’ – The Sun

[CCCSD]

How about we fast forward to the 21st Century and 2020. Your anti-government nuts are now right wingers intent on overthrowing governments or taking out politicians. It's crazy how that pengelium swung the other way.

As always, way out in left field and making apologies for Leftist Radicals bent on the destruction of our country.

How you can claim to be a cop and embrace this ideology is one of the most alarming things I’ve seen in quite a while. YOU would be one of the first in line to seize firearms if ordered, round up citizens when told, and probably turn a blind eye to the murder of whole groups.

Your attitude is what allowed the Communists and Fascists to exist and kill.

You are a danger to society.

[scotty_appleton814]

If you have a problem with fascism, you should a problem with the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW.

[Aidokea]

Scotty couldn't find his own butt, even if he was using both hands and a map...

[scotty_appleton814]

Aidokea, I love you how to come running to your homie's aid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bing_Oh]

Black Panthers? I'd like to know the reason they were formed, history appears to be repeating itself. No matter where we go, there we are.

You seriously think that racism in policing is anything close to what it was in the heyday of the Black Panthers? If so, you're deluding yourself. LE is light years ahead of where it was in the 60's and 70's (hell, it's progressed dramatically since I got my first LE job in the late 90's). Most LEO's are now significantly more educated than they were then, frequently possessing at least some college if not a degree. Hiring standards are dramatically higher and the hiring process is much more stringent. Training (including training addressing things like de-escalation, bias, "ism's," constitutional legal theory, etc) is extremely advanced. Corruption, once commonplace in LE, is not longer accepted in most departments. Less-than-lethal technology is beyond what LEO's back then could even dream of. The level of oversight that LEO's work under today is practically Orwellian (cruiser cams, body cams, private surveillance, cell phone cams).

The reality is, we're doing more than ever, and doing it with less force and across racial lines. The statistics simply don't support the belief that LE is overrun with racism or that race is a significant factor in use of force (especially deadly force). The only history that's repeating is that there are groups of people who will NEVER trust the police, no matter how much we improve, and that some of those same groups want to tear down the entire system in this country to replace it with something completely different.

[retired137]

You seriously think that racism in policing is anything close to what it was in the heyday of the Black Panthers? If so, you're deluding yourself. LE is light years ahead of where it was in the 60's and 70's (hell, it's progressed dramatically since I got my first LE job in the late 90's). Most LEO's are now significantly more educated than they were then, frequently possessing at least some college if not a degree. Hiring standards are dramatically higher and the hiring process is much more stringent. Training (including training addressing things like de-escalation, bias, "ism's," constitutional legal theory, etc) is extremely advanced. Corruption, once commonplace in LE, is not longer accepted in most departments. Less-than-lethal technology is beyond what LEO's back then could even dream of. The level of oversight that LEO's work under today is practically Orwellian (cruiser cams, body cams, private surveillance, cell phone cams).

The reality is, we're doing more than ever, and doing it with less force and across racial lines. The statistics simply don't support the belief that LE is overrun with racism or that race is a significant factor in use of force (especially deadly force). The only history that's repeating is that there are groups of people who will NEVER trust the police, no matter how much we improve, and that some of those same groups want to tear down the entire system in this country to replace it with something completely different.

Thank you for your response. One question though, hiring standards are higher than before? One of the main issues are PC hires, it's been a problem for a while. If you equate education with a lack of bias, you're delusional, there is empirical data to refute that. You also provided an answer to your question in your statement. Once again, Thanks.