AntiFirstAmendment domestic terrorists trash Biden campaign office in Portland:

[Aidokea]

That's just it. No one said you wouldn't. No one has made light that you were a horrible cop. I don't have any reason to think you were anything but a decent cop.

Skippy, MY suitability as a cop was never in question- I survived my career and retired honorably.

Sure someone here says you belong to that 70s TV show with the man wife and 6 kids in an blended family.

...and there's that judgement problem again.

You, however, have questioned other folks devotion to the job based on views you don't agree with.

Based upon my training and experience as a Field Training Officer, you are not suitable for this profession.

You have serious judgement problems AND your perceptions of the world around you appear to be seriously distorted due to your obsessive preoccupation with apparent skin color, starting with your own. Either one of those two things are bad enough, but the two of them combined are even worse.

Is this you accepting the olive branch I extended on the CW2 thread?

Again, your perception of the world around you is seriously distorted AND you have serious judgement problems- in reality, you caused that thread to get nuked by making inappropriate sexual comments about my late mother. I would describe that as the opposite of an "olive branch".

A big part of my issue with you is what I perceive to be a lack of empathy you display for those you don't agree with.

I don't really give a $hit what you think about me, Skippy. You should be more concerned with fixing yourself, before you get yourself or somebody else seriously hurt or killed.

[scotty_appleton814]

You just asked if we could all get along and you just said that we need to look out for our blue brothers. Were you not being truthful again? Good luck to you.

[not.in.MY.town]

A second officer died by suicide in the wake of the Capitol riot, and numerous officers sustained serious injuries.

A second police officer who responded to the attack on the Capitol by a violent mob on Jan. 6 has died by suicide, according to the acting Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) chief.

Acting MPD Chief Robert Contee identified the officer as Jeffrey Smith, who he said was injured while trying to help contain the mob of former President Trump's supporters attempting to stop Congress from certifying President Biden's electoral victory.

"That was a very sad and tragic situation for us," Contee said during a press conference on Wednesday. "He had been injured as a result of the confrontation that had occurred at the Capitol and a couple of days after that, the officer, he took his life."

Contee said that Smith was apparently on his way to work on the George Washington Parkway when he took his own life. The U.S. Park Police is handling the investigation of Smith's death since it occurred in its jurisdiction.

"Obviously again, our condolences go to the Smith family, his entire family, for such a tragic loss," Contee said.

At least two other police officers have also died in the aftermath of the attack on the Capitol. Howard Liebengood, a Capitol Police officer, also died by suicide after being on duty at the Capitol on Jan. 6. Another Capitol Police officer, Brian Sicknick, died at a hospital one day after the riot after he was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher.

Contee said in testimony on Tuesday before the House Appropriations Committee, in which he also revealed Smith's death, that at least 65 MPD officers filed reports after they were injured while responding to the attack. He noted that "many more" officers were injured with scratches, bruises or eyes burning from bear spray but did not submit reports to document their injuries.

The chairman of the Capitol Police officers' union, Gus Papathanasiou, said Wednesday that about 140 officers total between the U.S. Capitol Police and MPD were injured. He noted that a number of Capitol Police officers were severely injured.

"I have officers who were not issued helmets prior to the attack who have sustained brain injuries. One officer has two cracked ribs and two smashed spinal discs. One officer is going to lose his eye, and another was stabbed with a metal fence stake," Papathanasiou said.

[DM206]

I heard this earlier today. It should be bigger news. I've also been keeping tabs on the arrests and charges coming out of this. The placeholder charges of unlawful entry are starting to escalate...word is they're working on conspiracy charges and possibly sedition for Munchel. Still no suspect in the pipe bombs or the murder of Officer Sicknick, but I'm sure we'll hear more on that. And we still have elected representatives, GOP operatives, and right wing media downplaying the incident or defending the rioters.

[scotty_appleton814]

This is very sad and I hope those officers families are doing as well they possibly can at this horrible time.

[Ratatatat]

• Throughout 2020, Domestic Violent Extremists (DVEs) targeted individuals with opposing views engaged in First Amendment-protected, non-violent protest activity. DVEs motivated by a range of issues, including anger over COVID-19 restrictions, the 2020 election results, and police use of force have plotted and on occasion carried out attacks against government facilities.
• Long-standing racial and ethnic tension—including opposition to immigration—has driven DVE attacks, including a 2019 shooting in El Paso, Texas that killed 23 people.
• DHS is concerned these same drivers to violence will remain through early 2021 and some DVEs may be emboldened by the January 6, 2021 breach of the U.S. Capitol Building in Washington, D.C. to target elected officials and government facilities.
• DHS remains concerned that Homegrown Violent Extremists (HVEs) inspired by foreign terrorist groups, who committed three attacks targeting government officials in 2020, remain a threat.
• Threats of violence against critical infrastructure, including the electric, telecommunications and healthcare sectors, increased in 2020 with violent extremists citing misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID-19 for their actions.
• DHS, as well as other Federal agencies and law enforcement partners will continue to take precautions to protect people and infrastructure across the United States.

National Terrorism Advisory System Bulletin - January 27, 2021 | Homeland Security (dhs.gov)

HVEs... DVEs.... aka the fatboys and chawbacons I'd run into at my local state game area, traipsing about the woods with their AKs and Baofengs...

[Krinkiboi2020]

Problema numero uno - This guts the armed forces. No way around that. Not sure how we overcome that problem.

Problema numero dos - You've now embittered a large swath of citizens, who will undoubtedly rightfully feel betrayed by the US government. Can you say "primed for radicalization?" I knew you could.

Problema numero tres - Of those betrayed former servicemembers, whose professional lives are now effectively ruined (in the United States, at least) how many do you suppose will take their skills and talents elsewhere? For example, if I'm a Navy Nuke Tech, or an Air Force cyber warfare specialist, or an avionics specialist, or whatever what's to stop me from calling up the Russian Consulate, or any other nation and offering my services as a contractor? Maybe you could call that treason, but is it treason on your part if the government did you dirty first?

[Bing_Oh]

Krinki, you should read Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein. Unlike the movie, the book is (at its core) a political analysis of the shortcomings of our Republic and the theoretical formation of a new government. One part outlines the basics of how our Republic falls and is replaced by this new government. Ironically, it's a revolt by unemployed soldiers who become disenfranchised by the actions of the old government and decide to replace it...

[Badger99]

Krinkiboi2020 I work in DoD & work with US Mil every day, and have Mil officers in my leadership chain. I’ve never heard of anything like that nor would it be legal under federal law or UCMJ.

As far as any US Mil or recent vets that stormed the Capitol, you’re right they’re going to likely be prosecuted under federal law and or UCMJ if viable. They broke the law and also had conduct violations under UCMJ. Now they’ll face the music for their actions. DoD did get a letter from the Joint Chiefs basically reminding service members and the civilian cadre of their oath and that those that stormed the Capitol violated that oath.

Now, there was a chance the mid-level Officer cadre crack down on subordinates’ political activities and enforce the hatch act rules more strictly. Depending on your unit hatch act rule enforcement could vary. However, they’re not going to throw out any political supporter. That said, US Military is supposed to be apolitical, so it’s probably right to start trying to enforce Hatch Act rules and the spirit of those rules.

[Badger99]

Krinkiboi2020 As far as disgruntled US Mil turning over information to foreign powers, I suppose it’s always a threat but it’d be pretty dumb to do so. You’re probably gonna get a knock on the door from the FBI and be prosecuted under the Espionage Act. At the bare minimum they’ll nail you for disclosing national defense information. There’s plenty of disgruntled ex-Gov employees & service members with prior access to classified information. It doesn’t matter, they all signed a NDA and are subject to those penalties for life.

[Krinkiboi2020]

HVEs... DVEs.... aka the fatboys and chawbacons I'd run into at my local state game area, traipsing about the woods with their AKs and Baofengs...

Don't be knocking St Mikhail's gift to us all. When this sh*t pops off, I'm expecting a gift basket of AK-15s from Uncle Vlad.

[scotty_appleton814]

Don't be knocking St Mikhail's gift to us all. When this sh*t pops off, I'm expecting a gift basket of AK-15s from Uncle Vlad.

I'd love to sit Eugene Stoner, Mikhail, and John Browning at a bar and listen to their conversation. The stories they would tell.

[Pogue Mahone]

I'd like to talk to Mikhail, but I don't think he'd be too happy to talk about how he & his comrades f'd up Chernobyl.

[Krinkiboi2020]

Bunch of my kin were murdered by the Soviets during the Hungarian Revolution in 1956.

But I doubt anyone at Mikhail's level had much to do with that. I'd rather talk about his work and not get fired up.

[scotty_appleton814]

I'm really sorry for your lost family.

It's almost like really separating the engineer from his finished product. Good, bad, and really bad. They really engineered firearms that had significant influence warfare for significant parts of the 20th century.

[Krinkiboi2020]

@scotty_appleton814 it's ancient history. But it is one of the stories told in my family to instill a firm, "dislike" shall I say, of communists.

Funny story, my father served as an infantryman in the Hungarian Ground Forces a little later on, then escaped the Iron Curtain with some of his brothers, came to the United States, got his citizenship and got a job as a police officer while putting himself through law school. He wanted to be a defense attorney, because as he tells it, his uncle's and cousins didn't have the luxury of having those when they were killed by the State.

Anyways, about 10 years ago, I built him an AKM-63 like the one he was issued (Hungary's AKM) out of a Hungarian parts kit on a NoDak receiver. He lamented that he wished he could've had that in the patrol car when he was a cop in the mid 70's, half for the shock value, but also because the M1 carbines and Reisings they had in the armory were garbage.

[Krinkiboi2020]

[scotty_appleton814]

I watched this video. There was no drones mentioned. I thought it was a pretty reasonable video.

[Levithane]

True they didn't mention drone usage, other than that one guy (I won't try spelling his name) mentioned was disposed of via drone usage. Overseas terrorists get blown to pieces, and it has some people wondering will the same treatment be given to people who are labeled terrorists domestically in the event an administration decides to ramp up how they go about combating these issues?

My only issue with this debate is that its so politicised that people go through hoops to defend whichever political extreme (right and left). If they're going to label the people who showed up at the capital on that day terrorists, by all means go ahead but the people who were throwing explosives at USMS at the court house in Portland need to be treated the same way then (and vice versa).

[Georgetime]

OK, there's a lot going on here and I sincerely hope that I never encounter you in a professional capacity because you are demonstrating a very loose grasp of facts and judgment.

On the contrary, friend. I am applying ration and the law to analyze this situation. Cool ad hominem attack, too, by the way.

But just to set one part of this mess straight, the "radical left" are not the only ones calling this an insurrection or sedition.

Sweet straw man, I never said it was only the radical left saying it, but they are the ones who set the narrative in conjunction with their ideological twins in the media. That is not even remotely open for debate.

That language is also being used by federal agents, prosecutors, and the military.

I'm glad you brought that up. Prosecutors have been getting openly spanked in court because their overheated rhetoric doesn't stand up to legal scrutiny and is, in fact, potentially jeopardizing the defendants' rights to a fair trial. I point you to some salient passages from the latest Politico piece on the matter from yesterday. Politico is hardly a bastion of the right, mind you: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...il-time-478440

And prosecutors are facing pressure from judges to either back up their tough talk about sedition or put a lid on it. Michael Sherwin, the former lead Jan. 6 prosecutor, found himself rebuked by other senior prosecutors and Judge Amit Mehta last week for publicly flirting with the possibility of sedition charges when none had actually been leveled.

In other words, talk is cheap. Calling something an "insurrection", or "coup", or "sedition" is easy, it's effortless and it costs nothing. It also means nothing. Actually proving it in court is another matter entirely. There was no concerted effort to attack the government, take it over, etc... it was, by and large, a bunch of protesters mixed in with some Antifa agitators that caused most of the trouble. There were no guns, there was no master plan. Who on God's green earth is truly stupid enough to believe that people who are really hell-bent on overthrowing the government would come armed only with pepper spray, MAGA signs and cell phones? The hypocritical cop-hating media using the death of Off. Sicknick as a cudgel to bash the right also seems to have gone completely off the rails after it turns out he was NOT murdered by any Trump supporters and wash not hit with a fire extinguisher, despite the non-stop blitz of "news" stories that told us that was the case.

Here's one example:
"We witnessed actions inside the Capitol building that were inconsistent with the rule of law. The rights of freedom of speech and assembly do not give anyone the right to resort to violence, sedition and insurrection."

That's from a statement signed by the Joint Chiefs of staff. Are they radical leftists now?

Last time I checked, a statement from the JCS is not a charging document, be it signed or otherwise. It doesn't matter what they call it, by the legal definition (and common sense), it was neither seditious nor an insurrection. The fact that the JCS used such language is completely meaningless, and you citing their layman's opinion is nothing more than the "appeal to authority" fallacy in action. If they could charge seditious conspiracy, they would. The fact they haven't speaks volumes. Even if they DO charge it because they've talked themselves into a corner, the charges will either be thrown out or the defendants found not guilty. Mark my words.

Maybe you are the one who needs to reevaluate your position.

It's more likely you need to stop listening to the legacy media and do your own analysis without an obvious anti-Trump bias.

The DOJ is pursuing over a hundred investigations with anticipated charges ranging up to seditious conspiracy, felony murder, and public corruption.

"Anticipated charges". Hit me up when somebody is convicted for it. They haven't even charged anyone for it.

But you still call this trespassing. And 4 other people here liked your comment. That's...disappointing.]

It's not me "calling it" trespassing, it is trespassing, based on the fact that the vast majority of the charges levied thus far have been for... trespassing. But, you don't have to take my word for it:

Although prosecutors have loaded up their charging documents with language about the existential threat of the insurrection to the republic, the actions of many of the individual rioters often boiled down to trespassing. And judges have wrestled with how aggressively to lump those cases in with those of the more sinister suspects.

While much of the media and political attention has been paid to higher-level conspirators such as members of the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers, prosecutors have begun to indicate that many of the defendants involved in the riot are unlikely to face stiff penalties.

“My bet is a lot of these cases will get resolved and probably without prison time or jail time,” former public defender and current Georgetown law professor Erica Hashimoto said. "One of the core values of this country is that we can protest if we disagree with our government. Of course, some protests involve criminal acts, but as long as the people who are trying to express their view do not engage in violence, misdemeanors may be more appropriate than felonies.”

The reality could prove to be embarrassing to the Biden administration, with President Joe Biden saying that the rioters' actions bordered “on sedition,” while Attorney General Merrick Garland called the riot “a heinous attack that sought to disrupt a cornerstone of our democracy, the peaceful transfer of power to a newly elected government” and promised to make prosecuting participants one of his top priorities.

Justice Department prosecutors sent expectations sky-high in early statements and court filings, describing elaborate plots to murder lawmakers — descriptions prosecutors have tempered as new details emerged,” Politico reported.

Now, prosecutors will be “wrist-slapping many participants” after originally characterizing their actions as “a grave threat to American democracy.”


Judges have so far balked at some of the evidence presented against the Oath Keepers, noting that prosecutors had yet to show evidence that the group’s members intended to breach the Capitol to disrupt the constitutionally mandated counting of Electoral College votes.

Internal messages obtained by prosecutors show them making plans to participate in the events surrounding the certification of the Electoral College vote, including to provide security to speakers at former President Donald Trump’s rally near the White House

Bottom line: The rubber is meeting the road and the wheels of the "insurrection" narrative are rapidly shredding to pieces. By the time it gets through the court process, the smoking wreckage is going to sputter and grind to a halt far short of the finish line. There won't be a single conviction for sedition. This whole affair is basically "It's Mueller Time!" 2.0: Lots of hype, not a shred of substance. Hyper partisans hoping for a symbolic victory are going to be bitterly disappointed. Those of us who hold to the rule of law will have seen it coming ten miles away.

[retired137]

On the contrary, friend. I am applying ration and the law to analyze this situation. Cool ad hominem attack, too, by the way.



Sweet straw man, I never said it was only the radical left saying it, but they are the ones who set the narrative in conjunction with their ideological twins in the media. That is not even remotely open for debate.



I'm glad you brought that up. Prosecutors have been getting openly spanked in court because their overheated rhetoric doesn't stand up to legal scrutiny and is, in fact, potentially jeopardizing the defendants' rights to a fair trial. I point you to some salient passages from the latest Politico piece on the matter from yesterday. Politico is hardly a bastion of the right, mind you: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...il-time-478440



In other words, talk is cheap. Calling something an "insurrection", or "coup", or "sedition" is easy, it's effortless and it costs nothing. It also means nothing. Actually proving it in court is another matter entirely. There was no concerted effort to attack the government, take it over, etc... it was, by and large, a bunch of protesters mixed in with some Antifa agitators that caused most of the trouble. There were no guns, there was no master plan. Who on God's green earth is truly stupid enough to believe that people who are really hell-bent on overthrowing the government would come armed only with pepper spray, MAGA signs and cell phones? The hypocritical cop-hating media using the death of Off. Sicknick as a cudgel to bash the right also seems to have gone completely off the rails after it turns out he was NOT murdered by any Trump supporters and wash not hit with a fire extinguisher, despite the non-stop blitz of "news" stories that told us that was the case.



Last time I checked, a statement from the JCS is not a charging document, be it signed or otherwise. It doesn't matter what they call it, by the legal definition (and common sense), it was neither seditious nor an insurrection. The fact that the JCS used such language is completely meaningless, and you citing their layman's opinion is nothing more than the "appeal to authority" fallacy in action. If they could charge seditious conspiracy, they would. The fact they haven't speaks volumes. Even if they DO charge it because they've talked themselves into a corner, the charges will either be thrown out or the defendants found not guilty. Mark my words.



It's more likely you need to stop listening to the legacy media and do your own analysis without an obvious anti-Trump bias.



"Anticipated charges". Hit me up when somebody is convicted for it. They haven't even charged anyone for it.



It's not me "calling it" trespassing, it is trespassing, based on the fact that the vast majority of the charges levied thus far have been for... trespassing. But, you don't have to take my word for it:



Bottom line: The rubber is meeting the road and the wheels of the "insurrection" narrative are rapidly shredding to pieces. By the time it gets through the court process, the smoking wreckage is going to sputter and grind to a halt far short of the finish line. There won't be a single conviction for sedition. This whole affair is basically "It's Mueller Time!" 2.0: Lots of hype, not a shred of substance. Hyper partisans hoping for a symbolic victory are going to be bitterly disappointed. Those of us who hold to the rule of law will have seen it coming ten miles away.

The irony of it all. If those that protested believed in the rule of law and the election was lawful no matter what they believe, the "gathering, insurrection, riot, sedition, civil disturbance, or meeting of brainwashed folks" would not have occurred.

[Georgetime]

The irony of it all. If those that protested believed in the rule of law and the election was lawful

Interesting you bring that up. I wonder what is more likely to convince skeptical people: Agreeing with the obvious fact that there were clearly voting irregularities that must be looked into and doing so, or joining with Big Tech donors to silence all questions and de-platform people. I can tell you, adding razor wire and armed troops to DC for months on end surely doesn't have the optics of an administration that is confident of it's own legitimacy. This especially in light of the fact there were absolutely no credible threats of continuing violence. First they insisted there were no voting irregularities, then they were forced to admit "well, there WERE" but that they supposedly weren't enough to swing the entire election. All this coming on the heels of four years of an absolute bald-faced lie repeated ad nauseum about "Russian Collusion" and you can see why trust in traditional democratic institutions is at an all time low.

no matter what they believe, the "gathering, insurrection, riot, sedition, civil disturbance, or meeting of brainwashed folks" would not have occurred.

Yes, it's true: if any group of people believed the opposite of what they actually believe, they might behave differently. Very astute observation, detective.

[retired137]

Interesting you bring that up. I wonder what is more likely to convince skeptical people: Agreeing with the obvious fact that there were clearly voting irregularities that must be looked into and doing so, or joining with Big Tech donors to silence all questions and de-platform people. I can tell you, adding razor wire and armed troops to DC for months on end surely doesn't have the optics of an administration that is confident of it's own legitimacy. This especially in light of the fact there were absolutely no credible threats of continuing violence. First they insisted there were no voting irregularities, then they were forced to admit "well, there WERE" but that they supposedly weren't enough to swing the entire election. All this coming on the heels of four years of an absolute bald-faced lie repeated ad nauseum about "Russian Collusion" and you can see why trust in traditional democratic institutions is at an all time low.




Yes, it's true: if any group of people believed the opposite of what they actually believe, they might behave differently. Very astute observation, detective.

Glad you picked that up. I was having my doubts, BTW I voted for the loser. I've gotten over it.

[DM206]

120 officers injured, one dead. Trespassing? Back the blue? Patriots?

Don't trust the media? Read the charges for yourself.

Two Men Charged with Assaulting Federal Officers with Dangerous Weapon on January 6 | USAO-DC | Department of Justice
Khater and Tanios are each charged with one count of conspiracy to injure an officer; three counts of assault on a federal officer with a dangerous weapon; one count of civil disorder; one count of obstructing or impeding an official proceeding; one count of physical violence on restricted grounds, while carrying dangerous weapon and resulting in significant bodily injury; and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct, act of physical violence on Capitol grounds.

D.C.-Area Man Indicted by Federal Grand Jury for Violence at U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 | USAO-DC | Department of Justice
Alam was indicted by a federal grand jury in the District of Columbia on 11 counts. The indictment charges him with two counts of assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers, one while using a dangerous weapon, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 111(a)(1) and (b), and one with the intent to commit another felony, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 111(a)(1); one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1512(c)(2) and 2; one count of interfering with a federal officer during the commission of a civil disorder, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 231(a)(3) and 2; one count of destruction of government property, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1361; three counts of unlawful entry, disorderly conduct, or violent conduct using a dangerous weapon in restricted buildings or grounds, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1752(a)(1), 1752(a)(2), 1752(a)(4) and (b)(1)(A); and three counts of disorderly conduct, violent conduct, or parading or demonstrating in a Capitol building, in violation of Title 40, United States Code, Sections 5104(e)(2)(D), 5104(e)(2)(F), and 5104(e)(2)(G). Two of the counts – assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers while using a dangerous weapon, and obstruction of an official proceeding – carry maximum penalties of 20 years.

Florida Man Arrested, Charged in Federal Court for Assaulting MPD Officers during U.S. Capitol Breach | USAO-DC | Department of Justice
Robert Scott Palmer, 53, of Largo, Florida, was charged by criminal complaint with one count of assaulting, resisting, opposing, impeding, intimidating, or interfering with any person assisting an officer or employee of the United States in the performance of their official duties while armed with a deadly or dangerous weapon, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 111(a)(1) and (b); one count of obstructing, impeding, or interfering with any law enforcement officer during the commission of a civil disorder which in any way obstructs or delays the conduct or performance of any federally protected function, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 231(a)(3); and one count each of unlawful entry, engaging in disorderly or disruptive conduct, and engaging in an act of physical violence against any person on restricted building or grounds while armed with a dangerous or deadly weapon, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1752(a)(1), (2), (4), and (b)(1)(A).

Six Individuals Affiliated with the Oath Keepers Indicted by a Federal Grand Jury for Conspiracy to Obstruct Congress on Jan. 6, 2021 | USAO-DC | Department of Justice
These six individuals were added as co-defendants to a superseding indictment filed today in United States v. Thomas Caldwell, Donovan Crowl, and Jessica Watkins, 21-cr-28-APM. The superseding indictment alleges that Kelly and Connie Meggs, Young, Steele, and Sandra Parker donned paramilitary gear and joined with Watkins and Crowl in a military-style “stack” formation that marched up the center steps on the east side of the U.S. Capitol, breached the door at the top, and then stormed the building. The indictment charges all nine defendants with one count of conspiring to commit an offense against the United States, in violation of Title 18, United States Code Section 371, that is, to corruptly obstruct, influence, or impede an official proceeding, in violation of Title 18, United States Code Section 1512(c)(2); one count of depredation against federal government property, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1361; and unlawful entry, disorderly conduct, or violent conduct in restricted buildings or grounds, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1752(a). The indictment also charges Bennie Parker and Caldwell with obstructing the investigation in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1512(c)(1).

Two Members of the Proud Boys Indicted for Conspiracy, Other Charges Related to the Jan. 6 Riots | USAO-DC | Department of Justice
Dominic Pezzola, 43, of Rochester, New York, and William Pepe, 31, of Beacon, New York, were indicted today in federal court in the District of Columbia on charges of conspiracy; civil disorder; unlawfully entering restricted buildings or grounds; and disorderly and disruptive conduct in restricted buildings or grounds. Pezzola was also charged with obstruction of an official proceeding; additional counts of civil disorder and aiding and abetting civil disorder; robbery of personal property of the United States; assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers; destruction of government property; and engaging in physical violence in a restricted buildings or grounds.

[Georgetime]

120 officers injured, one dead. Trespassing? Back the blue? Patriots?

Don't trust the media?

Of course I don't trust the media. Only a complete fool would. Fact: The only people that died were Trump supporters, including Brian Sicknick. Nobody has been charged with his murder because, despite what the media continually proclaimed, there is no direct demonstrable link between anything any of the protesters did and his death. Despite what the media repeatedly claimed, he was not struck with a fire extinguisher.

Read the charges for yourself.

Interesting: There is nary a sedition or treason charge betwixt the lot of them. Imagine that. I never argued that some people didn't commit heinous crimes, but I did argue and continue to maintain that the entire group of people that entered the Capitol did not constitute an "inSurRecTi0N". Nothing in your reply counteracted a single point I made. The "insurrection" narrative absolutely will not survive the scrutiny of the court.

[DM206]

Actually, you (and others here) did repeatedly downplay the seriousness of the crimes committed. I know at least 140 Capitol Police officers who would disagree with your narrative. As far as the sedition/insurrection issue...there's a difference between lay language and legal charges, as we should all know. By any reasonable common-language definition, this was an insurrection, and there's a pretty good legal argument to be made that *some* of the defendants may have committed acts that meet the legal definition of sedition. Did the prosecutor formerly in charge of this investigation screw that up with his public comments? Yeah probably. That doesn't mean he was wrong. And some of the charges (conspiracy to impede government business, etc...) are consistent with the legal definition of sedition. "If two or more persons...conspire to overthrow...or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof" they have committed seditious conspiracy under 18 U.S. Code § 2384. Will anyone be charged with that? Maybe not. But is it reasonable to read that and make a connection to the evidence in the January 6th cases? Yes, it is.

By contrast, trespassing does not in any way describe the actual facts that we can all see with our own eyes on various videos, nor does it describe the evidence put forth in the charging documents.

Here's a breakdown of the violence committed by the people you're calling "trespassers."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/u...-injuries.html

[Georgetime]

Glad you picked that up. I was having my doubts,

Don't care.

BTW I voted for the loser. I've gotten over it.

Good for you.

[retired137]

Don't care.



Good for you.

Why, Thank You!