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  • Originally posted by retired137 View Post

    Trespass? Let's see what charges they get hit with, it's not going to be a trespass. They're lucky there's only one dead, you breach the Capitol in session you're fair game.

    More than 50 charges have already been filed (with likely hundreds more to follow) including:


    18 U.S.C. 1752 (a)(1) Knowingly Entering or Remaining in any Restricted Building or Grounds Without Lawful Authority

    18 U.S.C. 115 (a)(1)(A) Assault on a Federal Law Enforcement Officer

    40 U.S.C. 5104(e)(1)(A) carry or have readily accessible on the Grounds or in any of the Capitol Buildings a firearm

    40 U.S.C. 5104 (e) (2) Violent Entry and Disorderly Conduct on Capitol Grounds

    (A) enter or remain on the floor of either House of Congress or in any cloakroom or lobby adjacent to that floor, in the Rayburn Room of the House of Representatives, or in the Marble Room of the Senate, unless authorized to do so pursuant to rules adopted, or an authorization given, by that House;

    (B) enter or remain in the gallery of either House of Congress in violation of rules governing admission to the gallery adopted by that House or pursuant to an authorization given by that House;

    (C) with the intent to disrupt the orderly conduct of official business, enter or remain in a room in any of the Capitol Buildings set aside or designated for the use of either House of Congress or a Member, committee, officer, or employee of Congress, or either House of Congress; or

    (D) utter loud, threatening, or abusive language, or engage in disorderly or disruptive conduct, at any place in the Grounds or in any of the Capitol Buildings with the intent to impede, disrupt, or disturb the orderly conduct of a session of Congress or either House of Congress, or the orderly conduct in that building of a hearing before, or any deliberations of, a committee of Congress or either House of Congress;

    (F) engage in an act of physical violence in the Grounds or any of the Capitol Buildings;

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    • Originally posted by CCCSD View Post

      Nope. Wrong again. Your ignorance of lega matters is staggering in its epic stupidity. Try opening a law book. Look up trespass.

      How do agencies hire people and give them a badge that are so stupid..?

      I suppose you think the killing of an unarmed protester who was shot through a barricaded door is ok...
      I guarantee you that's not what occurred. There is information being released that unlawful entry was being made from opposite directions. Let me see, in a sheltered area with opposing entry being made by combatants. I was in that same position a long time ago. I'm still here.

      I like your thought process though. I bet you have the most convictions for trespassing, as you said your court time is productive.
      Last edited by retired137; 01-08-2021, 12:03 AM.

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      • Originally posted by Georgetime View Post

        Well to be fair, BLM was tearing down statues, setting fires and destroying cop cars... All of DC was up in flames at that point... there still is no actual realistic comparison between what BLM/Pantifa has done on a nationwide scale for months on end and what happened yesterday. There would literally have to be exponentially more dead, fires, destroyed police cars, pulled down statues. That didn't happen. Yesterday truly was a "mostly peaceful protest", in contrast with what the media normally uses that label for. Only a mouth-breathing partisan could conflate the two.
        Mostly peaceful based on? I guarantee you if a breach occurs again there will be multiple fatalities, on the combatants side. Looks like the woman thought everything was going to be fun and games. She lost.

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        • Originally posted by Georgetime
          Now, all of a sudden, they're wringing their hands in mock horror over what was, at worst, trespassing by people waving flags, chanting and taking selfies.
          Originally posted by Georgetime
          ]Yesterday truly was a "mostly peaceful protest"

          The Chief of the United States Capitol Police seems to disagree with your assessment....

          January 7, 2021
          Press Release

          United States Capitol Police (USCP) officers and our law enforcement partners responded valiantly when faced with thousands of individuals involved in violent riotous actions as they stormed the United States Capitol Building. These individuals actively attacked United States Capitol Police Officers and other uniformed law enforcement officers with metal pipes, discharged chemical irritants, and took up other weapons against our officers. They were determined to enter into the Capitol Building by causing great damage.

          As protesters were forcing their way toward the House Chamber where Members of Congress were sheltering in place, a sworn USCP employee discharged their service weapon, striking an adult female. Medical assistance was rendered immediately, and the female was transported to the hospital where she later succumbed to her injuries. She has been identified as Ashli Babbitt.

          As per the USCP’s policy, the USCP employee has been placed on administrative leave and their police powers have been suspended pending the outcome of a joint Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) and USCP investigation.

          As these other violent events were unfolding across the Capitol Complex, the USCP officers were simultaneously responding to a report of a pipe bomb in the 300 block of First Street, SE, and a second pipe bomb in the 400 block of Canal Street, SE. A suspicious vehicle was also identified in the 300 block of First Street, SE, at this time.

          The USCP Hazardous Materials Response Team determined that both devices were, in fact, hazardous and could cause great harm to public safety. The devices were disabled and turned over to the FBI for further investigation and analysis.

          The suspicious vehicle was thoroughly investigated by the USCP, FBI, and ATF. It has been cleared of any hazards. The USCP arrested the vehicle’s owner along with 13 additional suspects for unlawful entry of the U.S. Capitol. The USCP is continuing to review surveillance video and open source material to identify others who may be subject to criminal charges.

          The Department is grateful for the assistance provided by more than 18 local, state, and Federal law enforcement agencies and the National Guard. More than 50 USCP and MPD sustained injuries during the attack on the Capitol. Several USCP officers have been hospitalized with serious injuries.

          The violent attack on the U.S. Capitol was unlike any I have ever experienced in my 30 years in law enforcement here in Washington, D.C. Maintaining public safety in an open environment – specifically for First Amendment activities – has long been a challenge. The USCP had a robust plan established to address anticipated First Amendment activities. But make no mistake – these mass riots were not First Amendment activities; they were criminal riotous behavior. The actions of the USCP officers were heroic given the situation they faced, and I continue to have tremendous respect in the professionalism and dedication of the women and men of the United States Capitol Police.

          The USCP is conducting a thorough review of this incident, security planning and policies and procedures.

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          • Loss of USCP Officer Brian D. Sicknick

            January 7, 2021
            Press Release

            At approximately 9:30 p.m. this evening (January 7, 2021), United States Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick passed away due to injuries sustained while on-duty.

            Officer Sicknick was responding to the riots on Wednesday, January 6, 2021, at the U.S. Capitol and was injured while physically engaging with protesters. He returned to his division office and collapsed. He was taken to a local hospital where he succumbed to his injuries. The death of Officer Sicknick will be investigated by the Metropolitan Police Department’s Homicide Branch, the USCP, and our federal partners.

            Officer Sicknick joined the USCP in July 2008, and most recently served in the Department’s First Responder’s Unit.

            The entire USCP Department expresses its deepest sympathies to Officer Sicknick’s family and friends on their loss, and mourns the loss of a friend and colleague.

            We ask that Officer Sicknick’s family, and other USCP officers’ and their families’ privacy be respected during this time.
            According to his brother, Sicknick was a former Air National Guardsman who served in Operation Desert Shield and Operation Enduring Freedom before joining the police force

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            • And ultimately, what was accomplished? Pfft.

              Five people died, 80 arrested, international embarrassment, and Trump shrugged defeat.

              This is a surreal moment. It's like live watching the final minutes of Goodfellas or Casino or some other Scorsese yarn, where as the wheels come off the wagon, the narrator says.. we could've had everything but in the end we screwed it all up.
              Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat 2000 of something.

              -Mitch Hedberg

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            • Originally posted by retired137 View Post

              Mostly peaceful based on?
              The standard of what the media and our politicians have told us constitutes "mostly peaceful" for the last 8 months: People literally throwing Molotov cocktails and commercial grade fireworks at cops, pillaging stores, assaulting people, shooting cops, setting cop cars on fire. The amount of death and destruction that occurred at the Capitol was still far less than what has been going on with the approval of many of the same people who were in the Capitol on January 6. So, using that standard, yes, it was mostly peaceful. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.



              I guarantee you if a breach occurs again there will be multiple fatalities, on the combatants side. Looks like the woman thought everything was going to be fun and games. She lost.
              They couldn't even remotely hope to control the unarmed mass of people. I don't think that if this happens again it happens with a largely unarmed crowd. Time will tell. We're in perilous times. Regardless of what Mrs. Babbitt thought, it still doesn't justify shooting a petite unarmed 20-something woman in the neck instead of just dragging her to the ground with the four cops that were in close proximity to her. Just being in the building to be disruptive when Congress is there does not create some suspension in the law regarding use of deadly force, else every time Code Pink and the various and sundry other groups interrupted the proceedings they should have been mowed down without question, according to your standard. I've seen the videos, the shooting was clearly unjustified based on the fact that Mrs. Babbitt was obviously unarmed and did not present the threat of death or serious bodily injury to anyone, let alone the guy who pulled the trigger. You can quibble all you want, but facts remain facts regardless.
              Be dangerous, and unpredictable... and make a lot of noise. - John Bush, Anthrax

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              • Ratatatat
                Ratatatat commented
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                question: who put in motion all the factors that led to her death?

              • retired137
                retired137 commented
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                She obviously put a lot of thought and resources in her defining moment. Are you making your assumptions based on the videos? Let's let the investigation determine what the officer was thinking. A LODD death now due to a physical assault, what say you about that. She chose poorly and she lost.
                Last edited by retired137; 01-08-2021, 09:57 AM.

              • scotty_appleton814
                scotty_appleton814 commented
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                What thorough investigation have you done to substantiate your statement that the shooting was clearly unjustified.

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              • Originally posted by iconoclaste View Post
                Well, yes I am discounting people like Lin Wood and Sidney Powell who are telling us that Pence should be arrested and that dominion voting systems are being controlled by foreign governments.
                You do know that the concern over Dominion voting machines was bipartisan, and that Democrats (including Elizabeth Warren) expressed these same concerns, in a letter that you can read, in fact: https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/me...%20letters.pdf


                Those are extraordinary claims and until these people can provide proof of these things, then they are doing a disservice to conservatives and our country. You can't make these kinds of claims without evidence. And if there is no evidence for them, people should not believe them. Pretty simple concept.
                The problem in this situation was that the elections officials who controlled the machines refused to make them available for audit or inspection, which would have been the only way to provide proof that the concerns were unfounded. Again, even democrats believed that this was a problem to the point that even Elizabeth Warren expressed concerns that the companies who developed these machines "long skimped on security in favor of convenience" and noted that voters in 2018 in South Carolina were reporting that their votes had been switched. According to the letter signed by (among others) Warren and Amy Klobuchar, neither big fans of Trump, these problems "threaten the integrity of our elections". In Michigan there were a staggering 6,000 votes that switch from Trump to Biden that were attributed to the machines by the group that audited them pursuant to a lawsuit. This is a serious issue and there is FAR from "no evidence" for it. Pretty simple concept, indeed.

                Now laws being changed by judges about mail in ballots is a different thing to me. I can see the argument for why that would be problematic.
                And this DID happen, by officials who did not have the statutory authority to make the changes. When the rules can be changed on the fly and the law breaks down, it leads to what happened on 1/6/21.
                Be dangerous, and unpredictable... and make a lot of noise. - John Bush, Anthrax

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                • Aidokea
                  Aidokea commented
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                  Rat, are you kidding? McEnany.

                • Ratatatat
                  Ratatatat commented
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                  Yeah but Sarah has that Something About Mary vibe going for her.

                  To each their own, I guess.

                • Georgetime
                  Georgetime commented
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                  "The voting machines use technology to count paper ballots, meaning that the actual original ballots still exist and can be checked manually." ---- When you're counting ballots that have been submitted fraudulently, that doesn't fix the problem.

                • scotty_appleton814
                  scotty_appleton814 commented
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                  No proof of the voting machines being compromised. You can wish for pigs to fly and dogs to talk but that don't mean about to eat flying pork shoulder while talking to Cujo. Pipe dreams are still pipe dreams. Even if hawked by a lying president

              • Latest entry in the list of famous last words:


                CommonAshSense@Ashli_Babbitt
                1:57 PM Jan 5, 2021 on Twitter

                Nothing will stop us....they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours....dark to light!



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                  • There are ways to control large crowds. Most police agencies have gotten away from them because the tactics look bad.
                    Last edited by BNWS; 01-08-2021, 05:56 PM.

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                    • Aidokea
                      Aidokea commented
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                      Hickory shampoo. Leather saps. Stuff like that...
                      Last edited by Aidokea; 01-08-2021, 10:17 AM.

                    • BNWS
                      BNWS commented
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                      Horses were the most effective.

                  • Originally posted by not.in.MY.town View Post
                    Latest entry in the list of famous last words:


                    CommonAshSense@Ashli_Babbitt
                    1:57 PM Jan 5, 2021 on Twitter


                    And yet that still doesn't make her shooting justified, any more than you can't shoot someone who chants "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon".
                    Last edited by Georgetime; 01-08-2021, 10:41 AM.
                    Be dangerous, and unpredictable... and make a lot of noise. - John Bush, Anthrax

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                    • Georgetime
                      Georgetime commented
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                      "her death was meaningless and tragic and completely avoidable if not for the utter BS of one man.... "

                      A lot of people don't and won't see it that way. There was a lot of things that lead to this, and this "one man" wouldn't have had the following he did if that weren't so. Being dismissive and insulting of those people and mocking them for the last four years while attempting to undo the lawful results of the 2016 election through a sham investigation predicated on a patently bogus "dossier" for starters. You want to find the cause of what happened, you're going to have to go back well before Wedesday to get there. Trump isn't the cause, he's the reaction. Only a fool fails to grasp this. Don't forget, half of the country voted for him and they're pretty sick and tired of being castigated and insulted for it. Disregard the lesson to our collective peril if you insist... You're free to do as you wish, however you are not free to do so without some form of consequences. We're all going to pay, in the end, but no, this did not start (nor will it end) with Trump.

                    • Ratatatat
                      Ratatatat commented
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                      Not sure what half of that means but I'm cool with the being free to do what I wish part....

                    • not.in.MY.town
                      not.in.MY.town commented
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                      Huh? Do you seriously believe that he shot her because he felt personally insulted?

                    • scotty_appleton814
                      scotty_appleton814 commented
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                      George,

                      Most of your comment I don't understand or agree with. The 2016 election was interfered with by Russia.

                  • Originally posted by Georgetime View Post

                    And yet that still doesn't make her shooting justified.
                    Absolutely correct. Nor does the short video clip prove that it was NOT justified.

                    We, as LEOs, don't typically rush to judgment in an OIS. WHY is this case so different? This is somewhat of a rhetorical question since it's easy to read between the lines of your posts...but feel free to enlighten me.

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                    • Originally posted by Georgetime View Post

                      And yet that still doesn't make her shooting justified, any more than you can't shoot someone who chants "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon".
                      She alone is responsible for her demise and put a lot of effort into her lifes defining moment.

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