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  • #16
    Originally posted by Kpdpipes View Post
    They get if from an official spokesperson for the PD.. I, by Policy am NOT permitted to answer any of those questions..Now move along, you're blocking this sidewalk for other pedestrians...
    That is PDs policy, not the law, two different animals.

    Now I believe you said, to move along, please, you first, I insist. . .

    ;-)

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Raiden View Post
      That is PDs policy, not the law, two different animals.

      Now I believe you said, to move along, please, you first, I insist. . .

      ;-)
      There is NO LAW requiring police officers on the street to say jack shizoly to a curious spectator. Unless I am missing something .....
      Space for rent .........

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      • #18
        Ignore them. If an arrest is being made, and you start getting a crowd, drive around the block and have your partner sit on the car until the wrecker gets there. I've done that on Miami Beach during the Memorial Day festivities. It takes a couple of minutes to connect the bracelets, pat the violator down, put him in the back of the car and leave. The Arrest form can be filled out anywhere. It's hard to respond to questions with the windows up

        A man should never be ashamed to own that he has been in the wrong, which is but saying... that he is wiser today than yesterday. Jonathan Swift 1667-1745

        It's only a conspiracy when your party is not in power.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Raiden View Post
          That is PDs policy, not the law, two different animals.

          Now I believe you said, to move along, please, you first, I insist. . .

          ;-)
          Originally posted by scratched13 View Post
          There is NO LAW requiring police officers on the street to say jack shizoly to a curious spectator. Unless I am missing something .....

          The "Move Along" was directed at the hypothetical Newsie... usually accompanied by "Snapperhead" or some other appropriate adjective...
          Last edited by Kpdpipes; 06-02-2007, 07:08 AM.

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          • #20
            We were taught that you always assume that you are being watched and recorded. It is just the way of the world today. Someone is always looking for the big payday with a lawsuit. During our defensive tactics classes they showed us more of what we can't do than what we can. I must of heard the word liabilty 1000 times during training.
            What Can Brown Do For You?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by scratched13 View Post
              There is NO LAW requiring police officers on the street to say jack shizoly to a curious spectator. Unless I am missing something .....
              No, you miss my point, obviously during the heat of things, I don't expect LEO Eastwood to be willing to up front information to me, John Q. Public; especially if he or she just finished wrestling with John Q. Criminal.

              However, when I go to the PD station, in NY state, as long as it is record, I can request a F.O.I.L. However, that request is subject to the following:

              Deniable records include records or portions thereof that:

              1. are specifically exempted from disclosure by state or federal statute;
              2. would if disclosed result in an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;
              3. would if disclosed impair present or imminent contract awards or collective bargaining negotiations;
              4. are trade secrets or are submitted to an agency by a commercial enterprise or derived from information obtained from a commercial enterprise and which if disclosed would cause substantial injury to the competitive position of the subject enterprise;
              5. are compiled for law enforcement purposes and which if disclosed would:
              1. interfere with law enforcement investigations or judicial proceedings;
              2. deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or impartial adjudication;
              3. identify a confidential source or disclose confidential information relative to a criminal investigation; or
              4. reveal criminal investigative techniques or procedures, except routine techniques and procedures;
              6. could if disclosed endanger the life or safety of any person;
              7. are inter-agency or intra-agency communications, except to the extent that such materials consist of:
              1. statistical or factual tabulations or data;
              2. instructions to staff that affect the public;
              3. final agency policy or determinations; or
              4. external audits, including but not limited to audits performed by the comptroller and the federal government;
              8. are examination questions or answers that are requested prior to the final administration of such questions; or
              9. if disclosed, would jeopardize an agency's capacity to guarantee the security of its information technology assets, such assets encompassing both electronic information systems and infrastructures; or
              10. are photographs, microphotographs, videotape or other recorded images prepared under authority of section eleven hundred eleven-a of the vehicle and traffic law.

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              • #22
                Cops who get upset about being filmed while doing their job, making arrests etc... are the same ones who bitch about the use of cameras in their cars being mandated on every stop and encounter.

                If you do your job well and within the law you have nothing to worry about.

                I've been filmed before and I would not do my job w/o an in-car camera system.
                "I neither approve or blame. I merely relate."- Voltaire

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by fair witness View Post
                  If nobody's doing wrong, there's nothing so bad about being watched. Interfered with is another story. But c'mon. Cops watch people. People watch back. Problems only arise when either side does wrong. Misunderstandings can certainly arise without that, but should be possible to resolve those if everybody sticks to innocent until proven guilty.

                  Cops watch people because it's our job, we have a respnsibility to watch people and look for things, i.e. criminal behavior, suspicious circumstances....there is no reason for anyone to "watch" us.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Raiden View Post
                    I disagree, if it involves LE and an arrest, it is public information. How do you think the suspect's name gets printed in newspaper in the morning. . .
                    Actually it's the court system not the law enforcement agency that gives that information, well here in Nebraska anyway. You wouldn't be able to go to my office on monday and request information on a citation you watched me write this weekend. There is confidentiality when it comes to situations until it becomes public record through the court system.

                    Anyways, cop watch wouldn't get anything from me other than no comment and here's my card talk to the boss tomorrow.

                    I've got no problem being filmed, if you've got an in car camera and your using it right your on film the majority of your day anyway. St. Pattie's Day here is a big one for being filmed.
                    Sometimes, doing the right thing means p***ing off the bosses.

                    "And shepherds we shall be, for thee my lord for thee."

                    Originally posted by dontknowwhy
                    I still think troopers and deputies who work in the middle of no where with essentially no back up are the 'men among men' of the LEO world.
                    Originally posted by weinerdog2000
                    as far as your social experiment, if we cant film you then you cant film us, we will arrest you for obstruction of our freedom.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Raiden View Post
                      I disagree, if it involves LE and an arrest, it is public information. How do you think the suspect's name gets printed in newspaper in the morning. . .
                      It's public information once it's been investigated and officially released by the dept, otherwise it's private and I'm not releasing any info.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by IMachU View Post
                        Ya know, if someone asked me a bunch of questions about a stop I made, I would tell them, "Do you want me to voilate the right to privacy of the person I stopped? No, I don't think so. Ask them if they want their business spread all over the internet. If they do, they can tell you what happened. Have a nice day....er.....drive safely."
                        I like this response to bystanders who try to ask a bunch of questions. It is a nice response with the hopeful intent to get them to drop it and watch the proceedings in court if they really are that interested or concerned. True, the stop and the arrest (if made) become a matter of public record, but only the briefest amount of information is printed in the local paper. I think that is a good thing. We all have seen way too many cases tried in the media and seen how it can and does affect jury decisions.

                        Over the years I have witnessed a few incidents where officers had to use considerable force to subdue a suspect, yet if I were in the officer's shoes I would have done the same thing considering the aggressive behavior of the suspect. Yet other bystanders probably interpreted the same situation as use of excessive force by the officers, simply because they have never witnessed such a situation.

                        So nope, I don't feel that officers should have to patiently answer any and all questions posed by bystanders. It needlessly delays officers from resuming their duties.

                        Just my two cents worth!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by beachcop05 View Post
                          Cops watch people because it's our job, we have a respnsibility to watch people and look for things, i.e. criminal behavior, suspicious circumstances....there is no reason for anyone to "watch" us.
                          Wrong. Police are just as capable of criminal conduct as citizens. Even in the performance of their duties. Police need to be policed as well. That is unless you can argue there is no such thing as excessive force, a bad shoot, a false report, etc.

                          It is expected that citizens report misconduct they witness from a police officer. Granted, a lot of citizens don't understand use of force guidelines but common sense will lead most people to bring valid complaints.
                          -I don't feel you honor someone by creating a physical gesture (the salute). You honor them by holding them in memory and, in law enforcement, proceeding in vigilant, ethical police work. You honor this country or deceased soldiers or whatever you're honoring when you salute a flag by thinking, feeling, and continuing a life of freedom.

                          --ArkansasRed24

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by djack16 View Post
                            Wrong. Police are just as capable of criminal conduct as citizens. Even in the performance of their duties. Police need to be policed as well. That is unless you can argue there is no such thing as excessive force, a bad shoot, a false report, etc.

                            It is expected that citizens report misconduct they witness from a police officer. Granted, a lot of citizens don't understand use of force guidelines but common sense will lead most people to bring valid complaints.
                            Been in our country long?
                            Sometimes, doing the right thing means p***ing off the bosses.

                            "And shepherds we shall be, for thee my lord for thee."

                            Originally posted by dontknowwhy
                            I still think troopers and deputies who work in the middle of no where with essentially no back up are the 'men among men' of the LEO world.
                            Originally posted by weinerdog2000
                            as far as your social experiment, if we cant film you then you cant film us, we will arrest you for obstruction of our freedom.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Redders4786 View Post
                              Been in our country long?

                              The FUNNY thing, si that even as the people being prosecuted for filing fals complaints that are fefutedby in-car cameras are being Publicized, there are STILL idiots who make the false complaints.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by beachcop05 View Post
                                Cops watch people because it's our job, we have a respnsibility to watch people and look for things, i.e. criminal behavior, suspicious circumstances....there is no reason for anyone to "watch" us.
                                Would that you were 100% right about that. But while a great many complaints may be based in misunderstanding or bad feeling, some are NOT. History definitely does not back you up on that "no need to watch us" thing.
                                Nothin' personal, I'm sure YOU'RE beyond reproach
                                shepherdess extraordinaire

                                "Man stands in his own shadow and wonders why it is dark."- Zen proverb

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