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  • Portland Oregon and Sloe Gin Fizz. If that ain't love, then tell me what it is

    Great Song. And who doesn't love Loretta Lynn?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SHAX4z4sLg

    Looks like things are getting a little hairy in Portlandia. Mayor and governor want all HSI SRT and CBP BORTAC elements out of the city, county, and state. Now the US Attorney for Oregon is calling for an OIG investigation. When US Attorneys call for OIG investigations, that usually means indictments will soon follow.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020...rotesters.html

    Question: these teams weren't created... or trained... to address protests and civil disturbances. Appropriate use of assets? Or not so much?

    Note the absence of the Bureau. Someone must've said oh hell no when that telephone call was made....
    Last edited by Ratatatat; 07-18-2020, 07:45 AM.
    What does not kill you will likely try again.

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    Bortac was originally created to deal with disturbances and protests in and at federal Immigration facilities and to serve other “swat” needs of the Border patrol and the DOJ back in the early 1980s. Bortac agents are uniformed LE officers that receive extensive and ongoing training in riot control and asset protection among other things. BP sent dozens of agents to the LA during the riots in 1992. Obama also sent a large group of agents and aviation assets to the Dakota access pipeline protest back in 2014. The “bureau” isnt a uniformed agency and comparing the USBP with FBI is apples and oranges.
    appropriate use of assets? Yes, I would expect federal agents to protect federal facilities and make PC arrests for federal crimes (damage to federal courthouse and assault on a federal agent).
    BP agents have the authority to make arrests for any federal felony or misdemeanor committed in their presence Anywhere in the United States, and always have.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ratatatat View Post
      Great Song. And who doesn't love Loretta Lynn?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SHAX4z4sLg

      Looks like things are getting a little hairy in Portlandia. Mayor and governor want all HSI SRT and CBP BORTAC elements out of the city, county, and state. Now the US Attorney for Oregon is calling for an OIG investigation. When US Attorneys call for OIG investigations, that usually means indictments will soon follow.

      https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020...rotesters.html

      Question: these teams weren't created... or trained... to address protests and civil disturbances. Appropriate use of assets? Or not so much?

      Note the absence of the Bureau. Someone must've said oh hell no when that telephone call was made....
      But but theyre OPERATORS

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      • #4
        Absence of the bureau. LMFAO. They would rather cuff the cops.

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        • #5
          Looks like Chicago is next: 150 HSI agents on the way to fight violent crime (which will be interesting because your average HSI agent knows about commodity undervaluations and deemed exports but knows zilch about fighting violent crime).

          https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...wma-story.html

          Detroit will get some as well, evidently to quell protesters (although there are hardly any protesters left at this point). If the goal is to fight violent crime, good luck with that. The city is 142 square miles, much of it abandoned wasteland. Neighborhood crews beef 24/7 among the ruins and 1,000 HSI agents wouldn't make a diff...

          https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/tru...-amid-protests

          This is getting ridiculous. I'm calling BS. This is a waste of resources, an overreach of authority and jurisdiction, and a political false flag.

          I don't agree with Senator Rand Paul on much but I agree with him on this:

          https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/...7Ctwgr%5Etweet
          What does not kill you will likely try again.

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          • #6
            That news article is fueled by one provocative statement:

            "...reports that multiple protesters were pulled off the streets by unidentified federal agents in downtown Portland and swept away into unmarked vehicles Wednesday."

            Ooh- sounds sinister, doesn't it...

            But let's take a look at that statement:

            "...reports..."

            "Reports"? Reports made by who? AntiFirstAmendment domestic terrorists?

            And "reports" made to who? The liberal news media, in a liberal-run sanctuary city?

            "...that multiple protesters..."

            Translation- "rioters".

            "...were pulled off the streets..."

            Translation- "were aprehended".

            "...by unidentified federal agents in downtown Portland..."

            Translation- the rioters "reporting" this incident, didn't read the patches on their uniforms.

            "...and swept away..."

            Translation- "and taken into custody".

            "...into unmarked vehicles Wednesday."

            "Unmarked vehicles" from a local rental agency, probably. You think they maintain a permanent fleet of paddy wagons in Portland?

            And they continue to claim that pot doesn't make them paranoid...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Aidokea View Post
              That news article is fueled by one provocative statement:

              "...reports that multiple protesters were pulled off the streets by unidentified federal agents in downtown Portland and swept away into unmarked vehicles Wednesday."

              Ooh- sounds sinister, doesn't it...
              So, I've seen one video of this so far. It was of a black-clad rioter in quasi-swat apparel being arrested by a group of camo-clad Feds in an unmarked minivan. As she is being arrested, her friends are demanding the officers' identification and making statements like "use your words" (as if they're the parents of children throwing a temper tantrum). The person detained is admitted to be coming home from a night of "peaceful protesting."

              Now, first of all, there's no law that I'm aware of that says that an officer has to identify themselves to the nosy friends of someone being detained. The person being detained has to be told what they are being detained for, but that's about the extent of it. There may be department policies on officers identifying themselves, but I'm not a Fed, I don't know them, and they really don't make a difference legally as long as the officers are readily identifiable AS officers.

              From there, I'm going to do some speculation. Disclaimer: I have no first-hand knowledge of these incidents, of the alleged laws that were violated, or the details regarding any of the involved parties...this is just spitballing on my part. I suspect that the Feds may have decided to get creative in arresting people who were damaging Federal property earlier in the night. It's totally possible that, instead of trying to arrest people out of a violent mob (which can prove to be both very difficult and extremely hazardous to an officers' health), they had surveillance teams follow agitators away from the riots and grab them in the relatively-abandoned streets where it was both safer and easier to make an arrest. Using unmarked vehicles is an obvious tactical choice, since people are much more likely to run from or swarm marked units in and around a riot.
              "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
              -Friedrich Nietzsche

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              • BNWS
                BNWS commented
                Editing a comment
                People wanted a different way of policing, here it is. Surveillance(most likely on video) swoop in when the anarchist is on his way to mommy's house for cookies and milk. Better yet, in six months kick down mommy's door and drag him out of the basement.

            • #8
              Originally posted by Bing_Oh View Post
              ...there's no law that I'm aware of that says that an officer has to identify themselves to the nosy friends of someone being detained.
              Bingo, Bing_Oh...

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              • #9
                Originally posted by Ratatatat View Post
                Question: these teams weren't created... or trained... to address protests and civil disturbances. Appropriate use of assets? Or not so much?

                Note the absence of the Bureau. Someone must've said oh hell no when that telephone call was made....
                What’s truly amazing to me is this has been going on for 6 weeks, $23 million in damage has been caused to the downtown area, and people still call this a “protest”. Props to the media for being able to perpetuate this all as peaceful protests....

                If the local and state governments continue to refuse to do anything as a virtue signal, at the expense of local residents and business owners, it’s up to the feds to do something.
                Last edited by COMoparfan392; 07-21-2020, 05:12 PM.
                "It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived."- George S. Patton Jr.

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                • #10
                  The rioters show up attired in black riot armor and helmets, with backpacks full of weapons to attack the police with, and then attempt to assume the role of "victim" by blaming the police for "violence", when in reality the police are showing amazing restraint in responding to the actual violence of the rioters.

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                  • #11
                    Portland's Enabler In Chief, Mayor Ted "Moonbat" Wheeler, joined the "protests" last night, reportedly yelling "Black Lives Matter!" and pumping his fist in the air, at the FEDERAL court house, instead of at his own Justice Center right across the street, clearly attempting to draw the foul from the federal agents assigned there, so that he could claim victimhood.

                    We watched it broadcast live, and eventually shut it off in disgust as he repeatedly legitimized all those criminals.

                    The rioters eventually received their nightly ration of CS after refusing the lawful order for them to disperse, and the liberal headlines this morning read to the effect of "Portland Mayor gassed by Trump's Secret Police".
                    Last edited by Aidokea; 07-23-2020, 07:55 AM.

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                    • #12
                      Portland bans police from working with federal law enforcement

                      https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/...-protests.html


                      Funny. I lived in eastern Oregon for several years in the 1990s. At one point, a new sheriff was elected on the premise he would never work with the feds (the county was mostly federal land and there were a couple of patrol rangers in the area). And he told his deputies (all three of them) they would be canned if they ever had a cup of coffee with a fed. Good times.
                      What does not kill you will likely try again.

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                      • #13
                        https://www.opb.org/news/article/por...r-gas-head-on/.

                        When will the mayor realize that when you endorse mob rule sooner or later the mob comes for you?

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                        • Bing_Oh
                          Bing_Oh commented
                          Editing a comment
                          “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”
                          ― Winston S. Churchill

                          Churchill knew something about appeasers...his predecessor tried to appease Adolf Hitler.

                      • #14
                        Marxists always forget that part. Hope he gets a visit.
                        Now go home and get your shine box!

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                        • #15
                          Originally posted by BNWS View Post
                          https://www.opb.org/news/article/por...r-gas-head-on/.

                          When will the mayor realize that when you endorse mob rule sooner or later the mob comes for you?
                          Kind of like the NYPD Chief who knelt with BLM then later gets beat by the same crowd:
                          https://youtu.be/22g8mPvMdxU
                          "It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived."- George S. Patton Jr.

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