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  • #46
    Originally posted by iconoclaste View Post
    Will suburban police forces increase as a result of city police forces decreasing?

    What my crystal ball is showing is we're fixing to be a society where there are practically no police, as the population and policy makers will choose higher crime rates over what they perceive as systematic oppression.

    The result in the suburbs will vary depending on affluence. Wealthy communities will be walled off and have their own security forces, paid for by expensive monthly dues.

    In middle class and blue collar suburbs, the onus will be on the individual to secure their residence with electric fencing and driveway gates. Instead of paying monthly dues for security police, residents will have the number of an armed response company on speed dial.

    Here is a link to an armed response company in South Africa (I apologize for repeatedly mentioning South Africa, but I think we are heading in the same direction as SA when it comes to policing):

    http://www.combatforce.co.za/services/63-response
    Terrell County Deputy: It's a mess, ain't it, sheriff?

    Sheriff: If it ain't, it'll do 'til the mess gets here..

    No Country For Old Men

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    • #47
      Fences, Dogs, Guns.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Jim H. - Virginia USA

        Hi, Levithane. Thanks for letting me know it got a little better.

        Can you believe that we are all paying for this indoctrination in various ways? So many tax-exempt "charities" and funding for public colleges and universities and student loans.

        What is really clear to me, is that most of the institutions which the Left claims are full of systemic racism are controlled by Democrats.

        I really don't understand how addressing the perceived racism problems is by go full-blown anti-White.

        Some of what I saw in the video appears to have been unlawful since the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

        I think race, ethnicity, gender, etc. should be removed from every state and local form, and every public college application. That would be equitable.

        When I filled out my US 2020 Census, and they asked for my race, etc., I checked "other." and wrote in "US Citizen." Let them challenge me if they want. I have not had a DNA test, how can I know for sure that I am not like Elizabeth Warren?

        Jim


        Has nothing to do with political affiliation. Yes is it mostly democratic institutions, but that is because they're being used as a front. Central issue you're having is a re-occurring historical issue. People who have authoritarian tendencies exploit people in order to further achieve their own personal goals, and or attempt to change society. I can 100% guarantee you that woman in the video wouldn't allow herself to be in the thick of some of these conflicts, she'd much rather sit back while still collecting her paycheck. Years back it was the "workers" who were used in a revolution, because back then the workers were considered "oppressed". Now the people who are being used in riots and quote on quote their own revolution are people who are deemed oppressed based on: their gender, race, or sexual preference. Same concept is being used, just different demographics are the ones who are being used.

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        • #49
          Personally though I don’t think it will get that far. I think the people calling for complete defunding are still a small minority; and that most people, especially outside of the inner city still support law enforcement, or at the very least begrudgingly accepting of their need.

          For any places that do try something stupid, I think that will only last until either one of their “civilian crisis responders” gets themselves shot, stabbed, beat etc. or there is some preventable tragedy (kid gets abducted, wrong way drunk driver takes out a bus of disabled nuns, active shooter etc)

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          • #50
            I don't personally see how any of this can work. We have a drug epidemic, people dropping like flies from overdoses, crime is through the roof, every criminal is armed to the hilt, and we are going to dismantle the police department, and send in hostages? I mean social workers!

            I have spent the last decade working in countries that do not have traditional first responders as we know them in America. I have lived in South Africa, in Johannesburg I lived on a compound, within a compound, within another compound! When someone was murdered, we were called to help the families, when a house was set on fire, the neighbors had to all come together and put it out. If you were crazy enough to drive at night, you NEVER could stop at a red light, you also never stopped if a "Police car" was attempting to pull you over after dark.

            Now I am in Cambodia, we have "Tourist police" useless... if someone is raped or assaulted it is up to us, in the commmunity to help the person, there is no 911. If your house catches on fire it burns to the ground, if you are having a heart attack, no ambulance.

            In South and Central America the wealthy just hire a man with a machine gun to stand guard of their car, home etc... I had a knife stuck in my neck by a crazy man, no police, no ambulance...

            I was considering coming home, but I'm better off in Cambodia! We may not have police but at least we don't have guns!

            My thoughts and prayers are with every one of you that are going out to protect and serve. You are heroes! More so now than ever! Never forget that, no matter what the people say, your sacrifice is amazing.
            Last edited by Lia777; 06-17-2020, 03:28 AM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by iconoclaste View Post
              Will suburban police forces increase as a result of city police forces decreasing?
              Possibly. It really depends how far things go in "reform" on the Federal level and hoe much the "haves" and "have-nots" end up separated in all of this.

              If the hard-left liberals in the Federal government have their way, then policing as we know it will cease to exist in this country. At that point, there's a good possibility that we'll see what Rat describes in South Africa with armed enclaves and armed private security response companies.

              If, however, the "reforms" are limited to major urban centers, I can see a new wave of emigration from the urban centers and further into the suburbs and rural communities. We may end up with very different forms of policing depending upon where you are...large, liberal enclaves like Seattle may actually enact their "revolutionary model" and you may see very little if any real law enforcement. On the other hand, smaller communities may keep more traditional policing or even move to a more law-and-order stance.
              "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
              -Friedrich Nietzsche

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Lia777 View Post
                I don't personally see how any of this can work. We have a drug epidemic, people dropping like flies from overdoses, crime is through the roof, every criminal is armed to the hilt, and we are going to dismantle the police department, and send in hostages? I mean social workers!

                I have spent the last decade working in countries that do not have traditional first responders as we know them in America. I have lived in South Africa, in Johannesburg I lived on a compound, within a compound, within another compound! When someone was murdered, we were called to help the families, when a house was set on fire, the neighbors had to all come together and put it out. If you were crazy enough to drive at night, you NEVER could stop at a red light, you also never stopped if a "Police car" was attempting to pull you over after dark.

                Now I am in Cambodia, we have "Tourist police" useless... if someone is raped or assaulted it is up to us, in the commmunity to help the person, there is no 911. If your house catches on fire it burns to the ground, if you are having a heart attack, no ambulance.

                In South and Central America the wealthy just hire a man with a machine gun to stand guard of their car, home etc... I had a knife stuck in my neck by a crazy man, no police, no ambulance...

                I was considering coming home, but I'm better off in Cambodia! We may not have police but at least we don't have guns!

                My thoughts and prayers are with every one of you that are going out to protect and serve. You are heroes! More so now than ever! Never forget that, no matter what the people say, your sacrifice is amazing.

                Excellent post.

                People often don't realize that outside of countries with Western ideals (US, Europe, Australia, etc), law enforcement is either non-existent, wholly incompetent, or entirely corrupted.

                When I'd travel I'd see the walled compounds.... men with AK47s standing in front of homes and stores.... abandonment and burned ruin... bodies in the street.... and thank the Heavens this isn't how my country looked (exception: Detroit).

                Now I'm not sure in five, ten years there will be any difference.
                Terrell County Deputy: It's a mess, ain't it, sheriff?

                Sheriff: If it ain't, it'll do 'til the mess gets here..

                No Country For Old Men

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                • Lia777
                  Lia777 commented
                  Editing a comment
                  I remebamber being in Honduras and seeing all the men with machine guns standing guard in front of the stores, at night the bullets would fly! If I had to use the bathroom I had to roll off the bed and crawl there, as it was too dangerous to stand up with stray bullets coming through the windows. Fun times!

                  For so many years my mother has worried and prayed for me as I worked in these lawless countries.

                  Now the tables have turned, now I have to worry about my family. My parents are 86. What happens when there is no one to call for help. The thought is almost too much.

              • #53
                Defund the Police?? (From a COP / FTO / DT Instructor)

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFz7hI65nR0
                In God we trust, everyone else we search!

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                • #54
                  https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapoli...-after-threats

                  Right on que with private security. Kudos to whoever called it first.

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                  • #55
                    Cost of $4500 hundred per day for three council members. That's $1,500 per person, per day.

                    At that billing rate, I'm thinking of starting my own exec protection company- Ratatatat and Associates. Me and some frogs (fat retired old guys) I know. I've done walls and halls work before for nobodies who think danger lurks in the shadows; it's no heavy lift.

                    I've said it before and I'll say it again... we're headed to towards the Third World model, where police are marginalized and ineffective, low tier officials have their own security details, and about town you'll see men standing around holding automatic rifles, guarding banks, jewelers, or whatever businesses in need of protection.

                    Terrell County Deputy: It's a mess, ain't it, sheriff?

                    Sheriff: If it ain't, it'll do 'til the mess gets here..

                    No Country For Old Men

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                    • #56
                      Originally posted by waffledog47 View Post
                      While that all sounds patently ridiculous (I've seen the same proposals), I think there is some truth in the fact that uniformed law enforcement have been performing way too many functions for way too long. I[...] Maybe some kind of program embedding social workers/counselors with uniformed LEOs to start. No clue, but I think the current situation is untenable.
                      I, obviously, can only speak for my country, Britannia, and my experience. I've read a number of suggestions from obviously terribly clever people who know my job without having done it but ... could be something in this defunding thing. Round my way at least, the Police are the answer to every problem. Missing person? Threats of suicide? Mentally ill person creating concerns? Lost property? Need to tell someone someone else has died? H*ll our local Coroner insists we attend when essentially anyone dies unless they were in hospital or were the subject of an end of life care plan. I've been to individuals who were 90+ years old and died in their living room armchairs. None of these are criminal matters and yet we deal with all of them - frequently to the exclusion of actual crime where the subject is deemed high risk, almost always to themselves. I'm a Detective and my team spent the whole of the week-end just gone tracking down an infant whose mother had grabbed him and run after the court had ordered the child be moved to temporary foster care and a Social Worker had made a crass remark that she wasn't going to see him until he was 18. I've spent other week-ends trying to find people who have left a note saying they are going to top themselves. I'm still getting paid but I imagine the public would rather I was solving burglaries and robberies, which is kinda supposed to be what I'm employed to do. I personally wouldn't object if Police funding was moved to create what I would loosely call a muscular social worker unit. It could then deal with situations like this without having to bother the Police all the goddamn time - L*rd knows we have a number of officers in vague office roles we could, in theory at least, return to the front line to compensate.
                      I'm a little bit waayy, a little bit wooah, a little bit woosh, I'm a geezer.

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                      • Decided
                        Decided commented
                        Editing a comment
                        Aside from most police officers not being armed, there is little difference in law enforcement between the US and the UK.

                    • #57
                      Originally posted by Cockney Corner. View Post
                      I, obviously, can only speak for my country, Britannia, and my experience. I've read a number of suggestions from obviously terribly clever people who know my job without having done it but ... could be something in this defunding thing. Round my way at least, the Police are the answer to every problem. Missing person? Threats of suicide? Mentally ill person creating concerns? Lost property? Need to tell someone someone else has died? H*ll our local Coroner insists we attend when essentially anyone dies unless they were in hospital or were the subject of an end of life care plan. I've been to individuals who were 90+ years old and died in their living room armchairs. None of these are criminal matters and yet we deal with all of them - frequently to the exclusion of actual crime where the subject is deemed high risk, almost always to themselves. I'm a Detective and my team spent the whole of the week-end just gone tracking down an infant whose mother had grabbed him and run after the court had ordered the child be moved to temporary foster care and a Social Worker had made a crass remark that she wasn't going to see him until he was 18. I've spent other week-ends trying to find people who have left a note saying they are going to top themselves. I'm still getting paid but I imagine the public would rather I was solving burglaries and robberies, which is kinda supposed to be what I'm employed to do. I personally wouldn't object if Police funding was moved to create what I would loosely call a muscular social worker unit. It could then deal with situations like this without having to bother the Police all the goddamn time - L*rd knows we have a number of officers in vague office roles we could, in theory at least, return to the front line to compensate.
                      Unfortunately, social workers, counselors, addiction specialists, doctors, etc. are ill-equipped to deal with what we do every day (apparently, people across the pond aren't any different than they are over here). EMS here frequently "stages" (ie, sits back at a safe distance until LE arrives) in any situation that even MIGHT be dangerous. Talk to your average ER doctor or nurse, and you'll find a mentality that doesn't differ greatly from your average street cop. It's not about the training, it's about the experience.

                      Those big-brains with higher degrees chose their professions for very different reasons than we did in LE...they don't have the mentality to handle what we do and would likely run screaming from the schedule alone, not to mention what we slog through on an average shift. Realistically, we're already "muscular social workers" (among so many other things) so wouldn't it make sense to increase the training and pay for LE? I get the feeling that, if we decide to create this whole new version of LE, people are going to discover that those in the profession will end up doing much the same thing...after all, any experienced street cop knows that we do what works, and what works won't change because we have different titles.
                      "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
                      -Friedrich Nietzsche

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