Leader

Collapse

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Why do Harley-Davidson police motorcycles have a top speed less than a Toyota Prius?

Collapse

300x250 Mobile

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #31
    I’ve noticed agencies in my area have switched over to the BMW. They look really sharp. I stopped by the local BMW shop to see a similar one up close. They are larger in size than I expected and EXPENSIVE. I don’t know if the agencies are getting a discount, but I know I couldn’t afford one. The YouTube videos of the police motorcycle rodeos look like the BMW is giving HD a run for their money. Very impressive videos of both the motorcycles and the officers.

    Looking back, I see my buying a HD was more of a mid life crisis. I was having thoughts of road trips back to my home state, but after riding around in city and highway traffic, I realized it wasn’t for me. I’m glad the former owner bought it back.

    Comment


    • Aidokea
      Aidokea commented
      Editing a comment
      Motorcycles other than Harley-Davidsons are usually sold to individual riders as motorcycles for riders to ride.

      Harley-Davidsons are typically sold to individual owners as "lifestyle accessories". They are simply the largest, heaviest, and most expensive element of a costume for the purpose of posing, but have nothing to do with actually riding.
      Last edited by Aidokea; 09-22-2019, 01:42 PM.

  • #32
    This thread has been an eye-opener for me, being as far from bikes as possible. I always imagined HDs to be road kings similar to CVPIs precisely because US cops use them, and you guys know your stuff. I mean, even NYPD uses Harleys, in that hellish traffic!

    Local agencies use BMWs, including offroad models, and Yamahas, as far as I know. People are jealous that they don't get any Harleys lol.

    bike.png

    Originally posted by careerchange#2;n4360641
    Young man everyone goes through tough times in life. You recognized the futile nature of your existence and attempted to employ deadly force to end it.

    Sadly, while the situation warranted deadly force, you applied it unsuccessfully. Had you been successful, your chances of hiring would have increased significantly as it would count as past experience.

    Comment


    • #33
      Dear Lord, I ride a 300 and it will outrun this thing.
      This agency needs to seriously rethink their bike aquisition. Like C3SD said, a Harley does nothing well but sound cool. And it doesn't really even do that well once it rattles itself to pieces.

      Comment


      • #34
        Hell, a Honda RS125R would outrun a Harley.

        ...and Harleys don't sound "cool". They sound impotent...

        Comment


        • #35
          The department I retired from uses HDs because they are free from our local HD dealer. Every couple of years or so(I don't remember the frequency) we'd turn our 'old' bikes in for new one. The dealer would then sell those 'old' bikes for pretty good money. I don't remember now, but I'm betting we did pay for service and parts.

          Comment


          • #36
            Drifting along in retirement here, having fond recollections of duty days spent on a Harley Electra-Glide nearly 50 years ago, struggling around in city traffic with a 800-lb. pig (including radios, etc) fighting me every minute of the day. Later on we had the Kawasaki 900 and Kawasaki 1000 series (seriously fast and quick bikes). To and from work I rode a Honda 250-cc Elsinore.

            Fast forward from the early 1970's to about 2004, and see this old retired cop zipping around town on a Harley Davidson 1200 Sportster (great for the city, not so good for the road trip). Then the bug bit me harder and I ended up with a Dyna Super Glide (capable of just about any road trip requirements).

            I enjoyed them all, right up until the arthritis and lumbar spine injury made it impossible for me to ride for 30 minutes without paying the price in pain for several days afterward. Had to give up that part of my life for good. I miss it at times, but make up for it with the occasional 2-hour rental of a Cessna 182.

            Motorcycles are useful for a very narrow range of law enforcement duties. Very maneuverable in city traffic, but very vulnerable to every idiot sharing the road. Within that performance envelope top speed is seldom an issue; rather it is the ability to maneuver into and out of traffic and limited spaces. I once ran down a 1975 Corvette on an interstate highway with a Kawasaki 1000 model, and I never got above 4th gear, but I did have serious shakes when I finally got stopped and had to put down the kickstand and deal with the driver.

            The fact that a Prius (or any other vehicle) might outrun a patrol motorcycle is irrelevant. No one can outrun the Motorola radio, bringing in additional units from every direction. Use the motorcycles for what they are best at doing; leave the high-speed chases to properly equipped pursuit vehicles.

            Comment


            • #37
              To add, my former department's policy didn't allow for our motor units to pursue so the top speed doesn't matter as much.

              Comment


              • #38
                It is because they need oil to operate.

                Comment


                • #39
                  Originally posted by angeredmgmt View Post
                  To add, my former department's policy didn't allow for our motor units to pursue so the top speed doesn't matter as much.
                  But is there a legitimate NEED for them to be that slow? No other brand of police motorcycles are as slow as Harley-Davidson police motorcycles...

                  Comment


                  • #40
                    Originally posted by Aidokea View Post

                    But is there a legitimate NEED for them to be that slow? No other brand of police motorcycles are as slow as Harley-Davidson police motorcycles...
                    Our motor units, like many other departments, work traffic enforcement, accident investigation, dignitary escort and protection and memorial escorts so the speed of these HDs really isn't a factor. As relatively slow as they are compared to Kawasakis and BMWs, they get up and move enough for us...especially being free.

                    Comment


                    • #41
                      Originally posted by Aidokea View Post

                      But is there a legitimate NEED for them to be that slow? No other brand of police motorcycles are as slow as Harley-Davidson police motorcycles...
                      It's not a need, it's just their design.

                      Without geeking out too much on the engineering, HD motorcycles all use a V-twin engine. That engine configuration does something really well -- it develops torque. Thing of torque as your 'get up and go' power. It's a good engine for when you have something heavy you need to get moving quickly from a standstill. But they typically run out of power relatively low in ther rev range. Harley-Davidson motorcycles, for the most part, are large, comfortable bikes designed for the kinds of all-day riding/touring that tends to be popular here in the U.S. Because they're heavy beasts, the V-twin makes sense. As a result, Harleys tend to get off the line quickly, but have limited top speeds.

                      Yes, there are V-twin engines that are capable of high speeds, and some can even be competitive race bikes, but those are specially designed and the bikes themselves are very light.

                      Compare this with something like the inline-4 engine common on many Japanese sport bikes. This style of engine has high horsepower (total power) but relatively low torque. They're designed to rev much higher to get to all that power. As such, they generally don't start that fast, but ultimately can generate much more speed.

                      I realize this a gross simplification, but it gives some idea of why it is HD bikes perform the way they do.

                      Comment


                      • #42
                        Originally posted by orangebottle View Post

                        It's not a need, it's just their design.

                        Without geeking out too much on the engineering, HD motorcycles all use a V-twin engine. That engine configuration does something really well -- it develops torque. Thing of torque as your 'get up and go' power. It's a good engine for when you have something heavy you need to get moving quickly from a standstill. But they typically run out of power relatively low in ther rev range. Harley-Davidson motorcycles, for the most part, are large, comfortable bikes designed for the kinds of all-day riding/touring that tends to be popular here in the U.S. Because they're heavy beasts, the V-twin makes sense. As a result, Harleys tend to get off the line quickly, but have limited top speeds.

                        Yes, there are V-twin engines that are capable of high speeds, and some can even be competitive race bikes, but those are specially designed and the bikes themselves are very light.

                        Compare this with something like the inline-4 engine common on many Japanese sport bikes. This style of engine has high horsepower (total power) but relatively low torque. They're designed to rev much higher to get to all that power. As such, they generally don't start that fast, but ultimately can generate much more speed.

                        I realize this a gross simplification, but it gives some idea of why it is HD bikes perform the way they do.
                        I think you described the design philosophy behind Harley's and their owners quite well with this statement.

                        Comment


                        • #43
                          Originally posted by Saluki89 View Post

                          I think you described the design philosophy behind Harley's and their owners quite well with this statement.
                          As my football coach would always say about the upcoming team "They some cornfed boys!"

                          HD riders are THICC.
                          "It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived."- George S. Patton Jr.

                          Comment


                          • Saluki89
                            Saluki89 commented
                            Editing a comment
                            hELL YA bORTHER

                        • #44
                          The Harleys in my dept are used mostly for ceremonial duties. Of the 15 or so bikes, only 2 are used in the summer for VTL enforcement. The rest are doing escorts for funerals. So long as the hearse's are not going over 100mph, we should be good.

                          Comment


                          • #45
                            Originally posted by angeredmgmt View Post

                            Our motor units, like many other departments, work traffic enforcement, accident investigation, dignitary escort and protection and memorial escorts so the speed of these HDs really isn't a factor. As relatively slow as they are compared to Kawasakis and BMWs, they get up and move enough for us...especially being free.
                            So if Habro offered free Nerf pistols to your agency, how would you feel about being ordered to turn in your Glock for one?

                            These are both officer safety issues.

                            Comment

                            MR300x250 Tablet

                            Collapse

                            What's Going On

                            Collapse

                            There are currently 3111 users online. 192 members and 2919 guests.

                            Most users ever online was 26,947 at 07:36 PM on 12-29-2019.

                            Welcome Ad

                            Collapse
                            Working...
                            X