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    Hi, It is great to be on this forum I've always viewed LEO's as my heroes and role models.

    I was talking to some homeland security agents that said homeland security was trying to set up a uniformed federal "national" police to supplement local and county agencies as a preventive law enforcment agency and would be policing large municipalities and federal ports maintaing order . My question is would federal peace officers enforcing local and state laws render jurisdiction flaws. If it is approved how would you set this up. Thank you again and glad to be here.

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    I could see them running around the ports, but major municipalities? That's what the local PD and SO are for.

    I think it would be cheaper to give locals more money to hire more cops if that's the objective.

    Sounds weird, but I'm not a fed, so I don't have a clue.

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    • #3
      heh well the county and cities cant even get along let alone throw in a 3rd wheel fed police beurocrary.

      no one likes having their toes stepped on on this would suimply add a whole level of toe smashing to go thru.

      imo

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      • #4
        There would be a lot of constitutional issues to be sure.
        "First of all, then we have to say the American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when they elected President Obama." - Al Sharpton, March 21, 2010

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        • #5
          Originally posted by equinox137 View Post
          There would be a lot of constitutional issues to be sure.
          I'd say that's an understatement.

          Personally, I think it would be Constitutionally impossible to create a "national police force." The federal government, Constitutionally, only has the powers specifically granted to it within in the US Constitution (10th Amendment). ALL other powers are specifically given to the states or the people. So, a "national police force" would, Constitutionally, only have the power to enforce federal law. If you think about it that way, we already have a "federal police force." It's the FBI.

          Otherwise, a "national police force" would be restricted to enforcing the laws within the specific state, county, or municipality that they're in at the time. Now, could you imagine trying to memorize all of the laws for every state, county, and municipality in the country to the extent that you could effectively enforce them? It would be impossible. A local officer, on the other hand, can maintain an excellent working knowledge of those laws which apply within his jurisdiction. So, from a realistic working perspective, local law enforcement is more efficient than creating a "national police force."
          "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
          -Friedrich Nietzsche

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          • #6
            Hey i got it, give the money to the states and let them beef up their own patrols. We'll call it Cops Fast grants.

            Na that will never work.

            National Police, sounds chinese to me.
            It takes a Wolf.......

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            • #7
              We need something similar to the French Gendarmerie, Italian Carabineri, Spanish Guardia Civil, etc. An organization that can perform police work but that can also fight as light infantry if need be ... such an organization would be perfect for stopping drug smugglers and protecting our borders as they would be equipped to actually fight back rather then be forced to run away like the Border Patrol.

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              • #8
                WEll, we do have the Federal Protective Services. Do they qualify as a federal police force in your book?
                Though their numbers are many, as the grass upon the field, we will count them at the end of the day.

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                • #9
                  I must say that we really don't need more agencies, but we sure could use more funding for specific tasks. It just depends on what you want to concentrate your focus on. I am particularly interested in fugitives. We have tons of warrants and nobody is assigned exclusively to go out and arrest them. We do get some that are arrested incident to traffic stops, but it would be great to have a fugitive task force working on these.

                  I actually think that in a number of areas we could supplement our sworn staff with non-sworn staff to do certain functions that could be done by civilians. For example, dealing with animal calls, transporting prisoners, vehicle lockouts, etc.

                  And. of course, when we increase in any given area, you get the other related areas that want moe funding. If you increase traffic enforcement enough, the jails will need more space, the courts will want more staff, the prosecution will want more attorneys, etc.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ChrisF202 View Post
                    We need something similar to the French Gendarmerie, Italian Carabineri, Spanish Guardia Civil, etc. An organization that can perform police work but that can also fight as light infantry if need be ... such an organization would be perfect for stopping drug smugglers and protecting our borders as they would be equipped to actually fight back rather then be forced to run away like the Border Patrol.
                    What?! You left out Canada's Royal Canadian Mounted Police?!?!? Now I'm hurt!

                    Since when do members of the Border Patrol run away without fighting back?
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                    • #11
                      "National Police" - bad idea!

                      First of all, there are Constitutional issues. Of course, proponents will somehow link such a force to interstate commerce to bypass these issues.

                      Then, there is our country's strong tradition of local control over law enforcement. Local and State leaders won't put up with the Feds trying to interject themselves into a purely State and local issue, such as law enforcement, and neither should they. And there are a lot more local and State leaders than Feds.

                      The FBI is NOT a "national police force." The FBI's investigative jurisdiction is strictly limited to enforcing federal laws under Title 18, USC, unless specifically requested to assist a State or local agency. They do not have general law enforcement jurisdiction like a local police or sheriff's department.

                      We already have forces and units that can be called in to do law enforcement and serve as light infantry - they are called the National Guard, and they work for the Governors of the States, unless federalized by the President.

                      Federal Protective Service is not a "national police force." Like other federal agencies, their jurisdiction is strictly limited to federal property and, in some cases, adjacent highways. And often, they perform more security guard than actual police duties.

                      A standing National Police force under DHS? It's not needed, and it would get in the way of good law enforcement. Local Sheriff's and Police Chiefs already have the lawful means to "deputize" officers and agents from other jurisdictions to supplement their forces, if needed in times of emergency and disasters.
                      Last edited by Woofdog; 05-05-2007, 10:10 AM.
                      Politically Correct? No.

                      Truthful? Yes!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PeteBroccolo View Post
                        What?! You left out Canada's Royal Canadian Mounted Police?!?!? Now I'm hurt!

                        Since when do members of the Border Patrol run away without fighting back?
                        Everytime the Mexican Army "accidentally" crosses the border or whenever they are confronted by someone carrying more then a pistol.

                        I realize they are only equipped with pistols but that is the failure of the Homeland Security heads to wake up and smell the coffee. The USBP is fine for stopping Jose and Maria from crossing the border to look for a job but they are totally useless against drug smugglers, Mexican soldiers, terrorists, etc

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                        • #13
                          Federal National Police? Like the Gestapo?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ChrisF202 View Post
                            Everytime the Mexican Army "accidentally" crosses the border or whenever they are confronted by someone carrying more then a pistol.
                            Or when they start taking rounds or bottles/rocks from illegals/coyotes/smugglers and actually manage to fire back they are treated like criminals. It seems our government is more interested in "being nice" to the Mexican government than protecting our borders and our border patrol. I am so sick of our politicians kissing the #@$% of a foreign government that does nothing but leach off of us instead of trying to better their own country. Does anybody remember the "comic books" the Mexican government distributed a while back teaching the illegals how to survive while crossing the border??

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Fuzz View Post
                              Or when they start taking rounds or bottles/rocks from illegals/coyotes/smugglers and actually manage to fire back they are treated like criminals. It seems our government is more interested in "being nice" to the Mexican government than protecting our borders and our border patrol. I am so sick of our politicians kissing the #@$% of a foreign government that does nothing but leach off of us instead of trying to better their own country. Does anybody remember the "comic books" the Mexican government distributed a while back teaching the illegals how to survive while crossing the border??
                              They just went after another USBP agent and a Texas sheriff's deputy. Also, look at what they are doing to the LAPD officers after the riot on Monday.

                              IMO, these officers/agents are heros doing an almost impossible job and they deserve our unwavering support and should be rewarded instead of being locked up.

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