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  • scratched13
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    Originally posted by Capt. one View Post
    My logic is this... one cannot read anything into the situation by adding "what ifs". The video is what it is. Did she deserve a citation ABSOLUTELY! Could the Deputy have handled it better ABSOLUTELY! A little empathy oin his part would have allowed him to prevent the short pursuit through the parking lot and still enabled him to enforce the law.

    This is an example of the exchange :

    " I know I was speeding Officer but my father is here in the Hospital and I need to check on him."

    I am sorry to hear that ma'm. Please give me your license, registration and proof of insurance, park your car here and give me the keys. I will drive you up to the ER entrance and while you check on your father I'll complete my citation. If your story checks out I will issue you the cirtation and return your documents and keys to you and you will be free to tajke care of your father.

    This would take less time than the resulting arrest and associated paperwork. The woman could accomplishe her goals, doesn't go to jail, justice is served, and the Officer, his agency,and the Law Enforcement profession doesn't get black eye.
    Okay, so that is what YOU would say. There are many other ways that is COULD have been handled, but you have NO IDEA whether or not she STILL would have run.

    Oh, and by the way, what gives you the right to impound property? You can detain for a traffic offense - sure. But taking property from someone who is not going to jail? Watch out for that. DL, insurrance, registration - fine. I guess that you can make up stuff as you go. Oh, also in your wisdom, why would you EVEN consider her a flight risk? Kind of easy to ask for keys AFTER watching the video. You have no idea really if you (he) could have done ANYTHING to prevent the pursuit - other than no stop her in the first place.

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  • Capt. one
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    Originally posted by Fëanor View Post
    As I said before, she was so emotionally distressed that she was guilty of reckless driving and she was fleeing from the police. I am not a cop, but I'm pretty sure that you guys are not supposed to let this kind of person continue driving. Anywhere.

    Once again, it was a little more serious than a speeding ticket. She was obviously impaired. No, not by alcohol. But it was bad enough she was guilty of reckless driving (not mere speeding).

    NO. That is why we have 911, and ambulances with trained drivers, flashing lights, and sirens. Only those types of vehicles and drivers are legally allowed to speed for a medical emergency. That's for a reason. Besides, "medical emergency" would imply a medical emergency for someone in the car who is being rushed to the hospital. Going to visit someone in the hospital is not an emergency.

    Just because you don't crash doesn't mean it is OK to drive recklessly.

    There is no need for extra cops after the only criminal is already in custody.

    Cops don't treat everyone like a criminal, they treat people who break the law like criminals. She broke the law, so she got treated like a criminal. Cause and effect.

    Cause and effect is just what happened here. The Deputy lacked any empathy for the womans situation and as a result she acted in a manner that she likely would not have otherwise. No pursuit , no arrest. She deserved a citation for speed and if you read my post below you will see how this could have been accomplished. In my 20+ year Law Enforcement career I have made mistakes of this nature and ended up with egg on my face. I have learned from my experience. Each person, each situation is different and should be treated as such. The facts are what they are, the car stop was at the entrance to a hospital and it would not have taken much for this Deputy to accomodate the woman and still issue the citation.

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  • Capt. one
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    My logic is this... one cannot read anything into the situation by adding "what ifs". The video is what it is. Did she deserve a citation ABSOLUTELY! Could the Deputy have handled it better ABSOLUTELY! A little empathy oin his part would have allowed him to prevent the short pursuit through the parking lot and still enabled him to enforce the law.

    This is an example of the exchange :

    " I know I was speeding Officer but my father is here in the Hospital and I need to check on him."

    I am sorry to hear that ma'm. Please give me your license, registration and proof of insurance, park your car here and give me the keys. I will drive you up to the ER entrance and while you check on your father I'll complete my citation. If your story checks out I will issue you the cirtation and return your documents and keys to you and you will be free to tajke care of your father.

    This would take less time than the resulting arrest and associated paperwork. The woman could accomplishe her goals, doesn't go to jail, justice is served, and the Officer, his agency,and the Law Enforcement profession doesn't get black eye.
    Last edited by Capt. one; 05-09-2007, 06:57 AM.

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  • Capt. one
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    Originally posted by scratched13 View Post
    2 things. One, he thought she was lying - he said that she drove right past the ER after the last stop to his buds.

    So, with your line of thinking, if she was DUI as well, you would have cut her a break since she didn't wreck out. Why would DUI matter at all as long as noone was hurt? Logic please?

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  • theconstipated1
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    Originally posted by Hitman2 View Post
    I've been pulled over while taking my very sick daughter to the hospital. I only asked that he either please write the ticket . I also understand when I got pulled over that I would easily take the ticket. He let me go but actually followed me to the hospital. In fact he helped me into the hospital. But despite that I respected the law and the officer. He knew as soon as he looked at her that I wasn't bull****ting him. I respect all officers. .



    You respected the law? but you got stopped for breaking the law!!

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  • Noah
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    This is one of those tough situations that everyone has an opinion about, so I'll share mine. Given the fact they were already at the hospital, I would've went inside with her to confirm the story. At that point, you still have the option whether or not to write a citation. Yes, her driving off to park would irk me, but I would not immediately arrest her because I would want to follow up on the story. Had they not been at the hospital, an escort at reasonable speed may have been in order.

    To the people who think she was totally in the right, what would you say if she T-boned you or someone you love at an intersection and killed them?? There was no emergency that justified her to be driving recklessly. Her father was NOT in her car having a medical emergency. Just because she did not know his condition is not an excuse to be endangering the lives of other motorists, and not an excuse to disregard a police officer's orders.

    The fact that the case was dropped against her is complete BS. Even if some of the deputy's actions were questionable, that does not change the fact that she broke the law.

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  • scratched13
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    Originally posted by Mirrain View Post
    Sticky situation. Politicians and administrators need to make up their mind on what it is they want the police doing. This sort of thing is becoming a problem.

    It's easy for us all to pass judgements on what happened once we all have the facts. But....objectively if you stop someone for driving an excessive speed, they take off and you give chase....i'd question whether some of those who are opposed would not have reacted the same way. I feel bad for the officer having to be put in that position. What do you do? She crashes on the way to the hospital and kills someone and he can kiss his career goodbye (that is if he was allowing her to get to the hospital in that condition). I hate playing armchair quarterback so I can't really comment on whether I think he was wrong or not.

    So what is more important? Allowing this woman to operate a motor vehicle when she is obviously only thinking about her father and driving at excessive speeds, or protect the public from bodily harm or death as a result of her careless driving?

    It's fine to suggest that he could have written her the ticket afterwards but are we all going to buy it when someone tries to sell us the same story? I doubt it.
    Well said ...................

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  • Mirrain
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    Sticky situation. Politicians and administrators need to make up their mind on what it is they want the police doing. This sort of thing is becoming a problem.

    It's easy for us all to pass judgements on what happened once we all have the facts. But....objectively if you stop someone for driving an excessive speed, they take off and you give chase....i'd question whether some of those who are opposed would not have reacted the same way. I feel bad for the officer having to be put in that position. What do you do? She crashes on the way to the hospital and kills someone and he can kiss his career goodbye (that is if he was allowing her to get to the hospital in that condition). I hate playing armchair quarterback so I can't really comment on whether I think he was wrong or not.

    So what is more important? Allowing this woman to operate a motor vehicle when she is obviously only thinking about her father and driving at excessive speeds, or protect the public from bodily harm or death as a result of her careless driving?

    It's fine to suggest that he could have written her the ticket afterwards but are we all going to buy it when someone tries to sell us the same story? I doubt it.

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  • scratched13
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    The fact that the DA dropped the charges on her sends a CLEAR message to those in that city: do what you want as long as you believe that you have a valid "excuse." YOU aren't responsible, the police officer "who doesn't have compassion" is the one that will pay.

    I hope someone else does this and runs from the police ...... wrecks, gets hurt, and then sues the cr*p out of that town.

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  • KapsFB
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    Originally posted by AlabamaCop View Post
    I think that everyone agrees that the deputy could have handled it differently and used a little discretion. My only point is that I believe he was legally justified in what he did and that he shouldn't have been suspended. I think the entire suspension was political and that if the Sheriff really believed he was wrong he would have fired him.
    Hmmmmmm....."Sheriff"

    Hmmmmmm.....elected

    Hmmmmmm.....yep! That makes it political all right!

    It's called reality. Even Police Chiefs are answerable to elected officials so yes, it's all political. Part of the system we're in which is why sometimes discretion IS the better part of valor.

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  • scratched13
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    Originally posted by Capt. one View Post
    The Deputy's actions were unreasonable in my opinion given the violation and the location of the stop. He simply could have allowed the violator to continue into the ER lot (100 yards) and confirmed her story and issued the citation. ( I would not have issued if the story checked out) NO a simple speed citation is not more important than a man's life. On another forum is a long discussion about professional courtesy. If this Deputy could give a break to another LEO he can certainly do it in this case. Late for school or work NO. Gotta PEE NO. Medical emergency Yes.

    This Deputy had the chance to do the "RIGHT" thing and assist this woman during a family emergency but chose to act callously and with total disregard for the woman's situation. Speculating on what "might have happened" does not change the facts that the woman was being honest, was experiencing a crisis, DID NOT wreck her vehicle into anyone and was NOT OVI. Judge for yourself by gauging the reaction of the backup units, their questioning of the situation and quick departure from the scene.

    If this Deputy wants to treat everyone like a criminal then he should transfer to the jail.
    2 things. One, he thought she was lying - he said that she drove right past the ER after the last stop to his buds.

    So, with your line of thinking, if she was DUI as well, you would have cut her a break since she didn't wreck out. Why would DUI matter at all as long as noone was hurt? Logic please?

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  • scratched13
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    Originally posted by Limeade View Post
    Sorry it took so long to get back guys

    Couple of things, 1. I wrote another word for "urinate" that was blocked out, not F-off.

    2. I am aware of the argument, my question was posed to answer another argument, which is that of expectancies outside of the law, which she certainly wanted.

    To scratchted13, are you saying that because you are an officer you deserve the ability to see your dieing friend/family more than a citizen? I'm not insinuating anything by this, I'm simply asking a question.

    If so, why? And do you think the law supports this? If not the law, then ethically how do you support this premise?

    Thanks in advance!
    No, that is NOT what I am saying. I CAN! understand why she was speeding. If I stopped her AND I BELIEVED HER, I probably would have just let her go (depending on how bad she was driving). BUT IF I DIDN'T BELIEVE HER AND SHE RAN, I would have handled it quite the same as the officer (had we a decent chase policy).

    BUT, if I were the driver and I was stopped, I probably would have NOT been given a ticket BECAUSE I am an officer and therefore would have been almost certainly been believed in the first place. If I was ticketed, I would have told his @ss to hurry up but I NEVER WOULD HAVE RUN!

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  • Hitman2
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    Originally posted by irishdep View Post
    63 in a 35 is reckless! Can someone, anyone (even a soccer mom), tell me how her dads life is more important than the lives she risked driving like that?
    Did you call for a soccer mom?! Here I am! I completely agree that ALL of her actions were wrong. She got whatever she deserved, regardless of the deputy and his actions. I've been pulled over while taking my very sick daughter to the hospital. I only asked that he either please write the ticket quickly or call ems. The only reason I drove her to the hospital myself was because the volunteer fd's eta was 15 to 20 minutes away. I knew I could get her there quicker. I also understand when I got pulled over that I would easily take the ticket. He let me go but actually followed me to the hospital. In fact he helped me into the hospital. Turns out, had we waited that extra time for the ambulance, she would be dead. She was nearing a cardiac arrest. She was tachycardic, her blood pressure was dropping and her heart was starting to fail. But despite that I respected the law and the officer. He knew as soon as he looked at her that I wasn't bull****ting him. I respect all officers. I'm married to one. I love and respect what he does. I'm not going to guess how this deputy handled things. In fact, he was probably right when she took off in the parking lot. Do you know how many people are trying to get to the ER in pain or hurt and not really aware?! She created a dangerous situation and deserved to not have those charges dropped.

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  • Fëanor
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    Originally posted by Capt. one
    He simply could have allowed the violator to continue into the ER lot (100 yards) and confirmed her story and issued the citation.
    As I said before, she was so emotionally distressed that she was guilty of reckless driving and she was fleeing from the police. I am not a cop, but I'm pretty sure that you guys are not supposed to let this kind of person continue driving. Anywhere.

    Originally posted by Capt. one
    ( I would not have issued if the story checked out) NO a simple speed citation is not more important than a man's life.
    Once again, it was a little more serious than a speeding ticket. She was obviously impaired. No, not by alcohol. But it was bad enough she was guilty of reckless driving (not mere speeding).

    Originally posted by Capt. one
    Medical emergency Yes.
    NO. That is why we have 911, and ambulances with trained drivers, flashing lights, and sirens. Only those types of vehicles and drivers are legally allowed to speed for a medical emergency. That's for a reason. Besides, "medical emergency" would imply a medical emergency for someone in the car who is being rushed to the hospital. Going to visit someone in the hospital is not an emergency.

    Originally posted by Capt. one
    DID NOT wreck her vehicle into anyone and was NOT OVI.
    Just because you don't crash doesn't mean it is OK to drive recklessly.

    Originally posted by Capt. one
    Judge for yourself by gauging the reaction of the backup units, their questioning of the situation and quick departure from the scene.
    There is no need for extra cops after the only criminal is already in custody.

    Originally posted by Capt. one
    If this Deputy wants to treat everyone like a criminal then he should transfer to the jail.
    Cops don't treat everyone like a criminal, they treat people who break the law like criminals. She broke the law, so she got treated like a criminal. Cause and effect.

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  • Capt. one
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    The Deputy's actions were unreasonable in my opinion given the violation and the location of the stop. He simply could have allowed the violator to continue into the ER lot (100 yards) and confirmed her story and issued the citation. ( I would not have issued if the story checked out) NO a simple speed citation is not more important than a man's life. On another forum is a long discussion about professional courtesy. If this Deputy could give a break to another LEO he can certainly do it in this case. Late for school or work NO. Gotta PEE NO. Medical emergency Yes.

    This Deputy had the chance to do the "RIGHT" thing and assist this woman during a family emergency but chose to act callously and with total disregard for the woman's situation. Speculating on what "might have happened" does not change the facts that the woman was being honest, was experiencing a crisis, DID NOT wreck her vehicle into anyone and was NOT OVI. Judge for yourself by gauging the reaction of the backup units, their questioning of the situation and quick departure from the scene.

    If this Deputy wants to treat everyone like a criminal then he should transfer to the jail.

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