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  • #61
    Originally posted by Theconstipated1
    Why couldn`t he put her in the back of his cruiser the first time that he stopped her,driver to the hospital since she was so hysterical and then write her the ticket for breaking the law?
    Because that is not his job. It would have been very nice of him to do that, but you can't expect him to. He might have crime to deal with, or maybe his department has strict regulations about the circumstances in which you are allowed to give a civilian a ride in your squad car, or maybe he had specific instructions to sit there and run radar. The squad car is primarily a law enforcement tool, not a pity taxi.

    It would have been very kind of him to do that, but I don't see why he should be criticized for not doing it.

    Originally posted by kingsman
    He probably made assumptions that were wrong
    Ok, and while we're on the subject of baseless assumptions....

    Originally posted by kingsman
    He should have put the testosterone on hold and listened to the driver.
    He was listening to her plenty. You could easily tell what she was saying:

    I don't want a ticket, I want to leave, I don't want to be stopped here, you shouldn't be doing this to me because ______, I have to go _____.

    She sounded just like every other person who knows they are about to get a ticket, except instead of letting him write a ticket she fled.

    I'm sorry that you all expect the cop to be a charity, but the fact is he did what he was supposed to. No, he did not go an extra mile to help this lady out, because she didn't try to make things easy on him.

    She was a "female dog" to him and the arrest was all the help she deserved.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Fëanor View Post
      Ok, and while we're on the subject of baseless assumptions....

      He was listening to her plenty. You could easily tell what she was saying:

      I don't want a ticket, I want to leave, I don't want to be stopped here, you shouldn't be doing this to me because ______, I have to go _____.

      She sounded just like every other person who knows they are about to get a ticket, except instead of letting him write a ticket she fled.
      I feel like many of the officers with this view are victim of a "boy who cried wolf" situation. Day in and day out you make the stop and get the excuses and are faced with lies. But when faced with the truth, you cynically rely on experience and assume they have dishonest intentions. It's kind of like the saying, if you hear hoof steps don't think zebras, think horses.

      Yes common things happen commonly, but the uncommon does occur and shouldn't be mistaken for the usual.

      Originally posted by Fëanor View Post
      I'm sorry that you all expect the cop to be a charity, but the fact is he did what he was supposed to. No, he did not go an extra mile to help this lady out, because she didn't try to make things easy on him.

      She was a "female dog" to him and the arrest was all the help she deserved.
      As unlikely and farfetched (and extreme) as this situation would be, I'm curious.

      Say an officer stops a speeder on a secluded country road, who is agitated they were stopped. Officer collects the necessary documents after arguing with the driver (lone occupant) who is making many sudden movements. Officer them tells the driver to put his hand on the wheel and keep them there where he can see them. While he examines when was just given to him. Officer says I'll be right back and goes back to his car. As he turns and takes his first step, BAM, a passing 18 wheeler trailer hauling construction equipment passes by and a tool or piece of debris fly off and clocks the officer in the head. He lays there unconscious bleeding...

      Does the driver who is now aware of the situation sit there politely with his hand on the wheel and simply watch the officer die (let’s say who has a wife and 3 kids) OR does he/she get out of the car and get a cell phone from their bag in the back seat and call for help...?

      Let’s say the driver chooses the first option and when other officers eventually show up to see why what is going on and find a driver sitting there with their hands on the steering wheel and an officer dead with the debris lying next to him and a head wound.
      They ask the driver what happened and why he didn’t call for help. He/she states they were doing what they were they were told to, doing anything less would be passively resisting. Then the driver says” why should I go an extra mile to help this guy out when he wasn’t making things easy for me. I’m sorry I’m not the good samaritan you think I should be but the fact is I am doing what I am supposed to, obeying an order from a police officer. Guess you should chalk it up to an occupational hazard”

      OR do you think mitigating or extenuating circumstances can exist or arise in any situation?

      Would having a loved one dying be a mitigating or extenuating circumstance?


      I think it’s awful that though I just made this situation up, that I can imagine someone actually does something like this. Revenge is ugly.

      As said somewhere in this thread, if you think your having a heart attack, call 911! You will get help faster increasing your chance of survival and minimizing the damage if it turns out you did have a heart attack. That and you won’t take out an innocent life if you die or pass out while driving to the hospital. An old friend lost his dad to a man who suffered a heart attack while he was driving, the guy died instantly and crossed the center line. I don't think there is any blame in that specific situation, but if you think you’re having one and drive, that’s a different story. On a side note, its not that uncommon people present to the ER with the chief complaint of something like "my head hurts and I keep passing out", and when asked if they have someone to drive them they reply "no I drove here" Me thinks they just like our drugs
      Last edited by itnstalln; 05-05-2007, 11:42 AM.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by itnstalln
        I feel like many of the officers with this view are victim of a "boy who cried wolf" situation. Day in and day out you make the stop and get the excuses and are faced with lies. But when faced with the truth, you cynically rely on experience and assume they have dishonest intentions. It's kind of like the saying, if you hear hoof steps don't think zebras, think horses.

        Yes common things happen commonly, but the uncommon does occur and shouldn't be mistaken for the usual.
        I didn't say she was lying. I believe she was telling the truth.

        But it is irrelevant whether or not she was telling the truth. The problem is that she thinks that her situation justifies reckless driving. It does not. Lots of people want to visit their father in the hospital. They are not all allowed to speed or flee from a traffic stop.

        Originally posted by itnstalln
        clocks the officer in the head. He lays there unconscious bleeding...
        1 - The civilian still is not obligated to help. It would be downright cruel of them not to help, but they don't have to.

        2 - The difference here is that it would actually benefit someone if the civilian defied the cop's orders to get out and help. It could mean the difference between life and death for the cop.

        If the cop in the real situation had driven her to the hospital, what would the benefit be? She would be a little less aggravated. That's it. Big deal.
        Last edited by Fëanor; 05-05-2007, 11:46 AM.

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        • #64
          I write hundreds of tickets a month......and get almost as many excuses. Dozens of the "I am driving almost 25 mph over the speed limit because I have to pee (always a female)" even though they have passed two gas stations, restaurants, a starbucks and who knows what else. Dozens of the "my relative (insert name here) is sick in the hospital and I am driving almost 25mph over the limit to get there" even though they are driving AWAY from the direction of the hospital and it really turns out they are driving to pick up other relatives to go back and visit a loved one at the hospital (BIG DIFFERENCE). Dozens of the "I'm just going a couple of blocks...follow me and write me the ticket there. THERE IS NO WAY I AM GOING TO FOLLOW A FEMALE TO HER HOME TO WRITE HER A TICKET.....CAN WE SAY HARASSMENT COMPLAINT OR ANY OTHER NUMBER OF LIES ABOUT WHAT YOU DID AT HER HOUSE. Another good one is the "Im sick or so and so is sick so I am rushing them to the doctor".....even though they refuse all offers of medical aid/ambulance and it turns out they just are late to a regular doctors appointment. It is the unfortunate reality in our world that MANY, MANY people LIE at the drop of a hat to try to get out of a ticket. It is not our job to try to sit on the side of the road and verify everyone's excuse. It takes me maybe 5 minutes to write a ticket.....it will take me longer to try to verify your excuse tying up a dispatcher to telephone somone.....NOT going to happen. If I DO think your excuse is reasonable/valid...such as you really need/accept medical aid or some others then I'm not going to write you a ticket as I will be summoning your medical aid or performing first aid.

          Now as far as someone driving off during a traffic stop....around here that person will be "hot stopped" and taken out of the car at gunpoint, handcuffed and arrested. I am not sure how some here are saying that someone who flees in a vehicle can not have a gun pointed at them????? If it turns out there are no other violations then they will be released later at the jail and charged with a Misd. evading.

          I have not watched this video..nor will I....so I will not debate the use of force. As far as comments about not stopping for stranded motorists because of looking for the "action" of a ticket......seems pretty ridiculous (there may be officers out there that wont, but not in my area). I always stop for stranded motorists, vehicles stalled in traffic, etc.... that is my job. I could care less about the "action".....I have gotten more thank yous and gratefull calls to the station from helping people on the side of the road than anything else in my career.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Fëanor View Post
            The problem is that she thinks that her situation justifies reckless driving. It does not. Lots of people want to visit their father in the hospital. They are not all allowed to speed or flee from a traffic stop.
            Agreed! It is wrong. However, I believe her situation made her actions more understandable. Not correct, not lawful, just more understandable.

            Originally posted by Fëanor View Post
            1 - The civilian still is not obligated to help. It would be downright cruel of them not to help, but they don't have to.

            2 - The difference here is that it would actually benefit someone if the civilian defied the cop's orders to get out and help. It could mean the difference between life and death for the cop.

            If the cop in the real situation had driven her to the hospital, what would the benefit be? She would be a little less aggravated. That's it. Big deal.

            Everything turned out alright in this situation (in that nobody died as far as I know), but had she not driven off and her husband lost consciousness and died during the duration of the stop, she would have lost her chance to say goodbye forever.

            Would you consider it cruel to hold a person from saying goodbye to a dying loved one in a situation where
            A.) the damage was done, she did put herself and others at risk by speeding, but she was not longer doing so. She can’t change the fact that she did speed, but at the time of the stop she was no longer speeding, so she wasn’t a continued danger.
            B.) The ticket for her wrongdoing could be given later time so it is not a time sensitive issue.
            C.) The time window to say goodbye to her potentially dying husband or be there for his death, IS a time sensitive issue, that once passed cannot be redone.
            D.) Her request could be confirmed by walking/running the 20 or 30 yards to the hospital.


            Originally posted by Fuzz View Post
            I always stop for stranded motorists, vehicles stalled in traffic, etc.... that is my job. I could care less about the "action".....I have gotten more thank yous and gratefull calls to the station from helping people on the side of the road than anything else in my career.
            As a citizen, it is appreciated when you guys stop and ask if help is needed, regardless of why you stopped (your doing it because you want to or because it is your job).

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            • #66
              Originally posted by itnstalln
              Would you consider it cruel to hold a person from saying goodbye to a dying loved one in a situation where...
              Nope.

              If you are stuck dealing with the police because you committed a crime, it is your fault.

              Just like if her dad died while she was in prison for murder. She should have thought about that before she committed the crime.

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              • #67
                I think the media is missing the point that she basically almost DOUBLED the speed limit, in a RESIDENTIAL area. Most people, firefigthers/police are told that when RUNNING CODE to not go that fast as they are going to be no good to anyone dead, and a pedestrians life is not worth less than someone who is already probably going to die. Plus, its not like her being there could save his life, that would be a different story if say it was her father about to jump off a bridge, but even then.

                In the ask a cop section, a lot of people said the speeder would end up in cuffs, she was lucky to be getting just a ticket. She should have tried to communicate intellgiently with him and said "Officer, my father is dying and I am under extreme emotional duress, can you please follow me into the ER to verify my story, and if I deserve a ticket, can you please give it to me in there."

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                • #68
                  Wow talk about turning a mole hill into a mountain.

                  Now this gal is driving recklessly and murdering people. I think it was fox that interviewed another guy he roughed up on a TS. He has gotten himself into a bit of a jackpot over his tactics.

                  I dont normally go around Monday morning QBing other cops, but it might be time for the deputy to reevaluate.

                  She was wrong and should have gone to jail. Its the style points that are lacking, especially with the tape running.
                  It takes a Wolf.......

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by michiganDT View Post
                    She should have tried to communicate intellgiently with him and said "Officer, my father is dying and I am under extreme emotional duress, can you please follow me into the ER to verify my story, and if I deserve a ticket, can you please give it to me in there."
                    If she can articulate that, is she really under exteme emotional duress?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by SgtScott31 View Post
                      Why would we ever get someone out of their vehicle and place them in the back of our car over a speeding ticket? Maybe if they were making furitive movements that would cause a terry frisk of them and the vehicle, but other than that, I don't get people out of the vehicle when I write them for a moving violation.
                      Here in Jersey the state police do. A Trooper put me in the front seat for a speeding ticket, i know that. And i wasnt being furitive

                      As for the situation in this thread, i think they were both wrong, but she was WAY more wrong than the cop. She should have done what he asked. She wanted to take off to look in the parking lot for her father's car?? That sounded really stupid.

                      The thing that i think the cop did wrong was to say "well youre not gonna see youre father, now youre going to jail instead." All that does is feed the public's flame of what a horrible creep he must be. Gotta think before you speak - on camera!!

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                      • #71
                        maybe she could have made a call from a cell?and asked for an escort??????

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by SgtScott31 View Post
                          Why would we ever get someone out of their vehicle and place them in the back of our car over a speeding ticket?
                          Scott....Missouri State Highway Patrol does it all the time.....even for minor speeding charges..........

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                          • #73
                            You know what, there's still Discretion, it's an officers best tool... I shot radar for many years and wrote hundreds a month.. I've heard every excuse out there and even got a "we have to get the specimen to the fertility clinic.." No joke...

                            They were IFO the ER, he had her paperwork, there was no reason he couldn't have delivered the summons to her inside...

                            Once she tried to drive away, she was a collar... But it could have been handled a little better... The general public has no idea but to them this is excessive force, which it isn't...

                            I'm done Monday morning quarterbacking....

                            I don't get how some of you all put someone your writing in your cars... I never let anyone approach my car with me in a sitting position if I could help it. the only people put in my car were rear cuffed and searched...

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by tony.o View Post
                              Or some auxillary guy, who should know his place, with five years on, who probably has a total of two actual months of working hours, who hasn't had the exposure that others have had.
                              It's about experience and exposure.
                              You get it!
                              Oprah Winfrey could have written his touchy feely 'what if' posts.
                              I just have to ask, where exactly is 'my place'??? Even though you know nothing about me or my actual time spent on the road, I guess because I don't get paid to do it, I must not have a clue?

                              Sorry if my previous posts were too "touchy feely" for you. This time, I'll try to use enough grunts and snorts to suit you. I mean, lord knows every single person in the motoring public who isn't a full time officer is either a liar, a criminal or both. With that in mind, the officer made serious officer safety or 'deadly errors' by approaching her car the way he did the second time. Technically, she should have been taken out of the car at gun point using a felony stop after she "fled" the orignal stop.(WOOHOOO guns!! Snort, Grunt!) Pursuits (even thru a parking lot) are supposed to be handled as a high risk stop. How did he know she didn't speed off to buy enough time to pull a gun from under her seat etc? If she would have had a weapon, she could have easily splattered him all over the parking lot on his second approach to the vehicle.

                              Sorry, but I don't think this situation needed to be handled this way and still don't. We all do things differently and see things differently. I'm entitled to my opinions the same as you are to yours. We all work the same streets and have the common goal of going home to our families at the end of our shift. Sorry you seem to have distain for 'aux guys' as you do, were all on the same side. Either way, this 'aux guy' would still have your back if you ever needed it. Stay safe out there.

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                              • #75
                                Alabama cop

                                What is your problem? I was told my profile was out of date and I updated it.
                                Is that a problem for you. Let me think, what else have I done in my life...

                                I've been a retail sales clerk, Ive been a manager, I've been a building engineer, I've sold pole buildings, I've worked in a lumber yard, I was a Customs inspector, I have been a security officer 3 different times including new orleans post Katrina, a front desk clerk, and a night auditor. Also I did internet etech support, and in my younger days sold lemonade from a stand in front of my house.

                                Geez, what is your resume? you ever been anything but a cop? ever out there dealing with real people?
                                Though their numbers are many, as the grass upon the field, we will count them at the end of the day.

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