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  • #61
    Originally posted by iMarkVideo View Post
    What I am saying is you and many LEOs have ultimate authourity over me. So if I am a law abiding citizen then LEOs have a GREAT advatage over me IF they want to murder me for whatever reason.
    I, yet again, make the acertion that a LEO that premeditates murder is not a LEO anymore, but just another criminal who happens to wear a uniform.

    Originally posted by iMarkVideo View Post
    Maybe you are right that doctors and nurses should be held with greater accountability than ordinary citizens. But it still does not change my views on LEOs being held with greater accountability because LEOs have the ultimate power and the advatage.
    You and I have to agree to disagree. It's not uncommon for people to believe that LEO's have some mythical power and advantages. The simple fact is LEO's don't. Pretty lights, shiney badges, guns, pepper spray, tasers, none of that makes a difference. The only difference is state of mind and intent.
    Sometimes, doing the right thing means p***ing off the bosses.

    "And shepherds we shall be, for thee my lord for thee."

    Originally posted by dontknowwhy
    I still think troopers and deputies who work in the middle of no where with essentially no back up are the 'men among men' of the LEO world.
    Originally posted by weinerdog2000
    as far as your social experiment, if we cant film you then you cant film us, we will arrest you for obstruction of our freedom.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Redders4786 View Post
      I, yet again, make the acertion that a LEO that premeditates murder is not a LEO anymore, but just another criminal who happens to wear a uniform.
      And has powers of arrest.
      And collects a paycheck and other benefits at public expense.
      And is covered by any union agreements in place.
      And is in fact indistiguishinable in his powers, responsibilities, and abilities from any other LEO until he gets caught.
      Merely repeating you're already refuted points doesn't make them any more believable.

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      • #63
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        Last edited by Redders; 05-01-2007, 02:12 PM.
        Sometimes, doing the right thing means p***ing off the bosses.

        "And shepherds we shall be, for thee my lord for thee."

        Originally posted by dontknowwhy
        I still think troopers and deputies who work in the middle of no where with essentially no back up are the 'men among men' of the LEO world.
        Originally posted by weinerdog2000
        as far as your social experiment, if we cant film you then you cant film us, we will arrest you for obstruction of our freedom.

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        • #64
          You actually make more sense with this than your previous posts. Lotsa luck.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by The Rabbi View Post
            I'd say you've failed to prove any point you've tried to make.
            Point them out then.

            Unless you have something valid to add to the debate about the orginal post why don't you just admit that no matter what your profession, whether it be gun dealer, videographer, or law enforcement officer, everyone should be held to the same sentencing standard. That, or admit that if anyone use's their profession for illegal gain they face enhanced sentencing.
            Sometimes, doing the right thing means p***ing off the bosses.

            "And shepherds we shall be, for thee my lord for thee."

            Originally posted by dontknowwhy
            I still think troopers and deputies who work in the middle of no where with essentially no back up are the 'men among men' of the LEO world.
            Originally posted by weinerdog2000
            as far as your social experiment, if we cant film you then you cant film us, we will arrest you for obstruction of our freedom.

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            • #66
              is it just my browser or is the formating on this page really screwed up?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Redders4786 View Post
                Point them out then.

                Unless you have something valid to add to the debate about the orginal post why don't you just admit that no matter what your profession, whether it be gun dealer, videographer, or law enforcement officer, everyone should be held to the same sentencing standard. That, or admit that if anyone use's their profession for illegal gain they face enhanced sentencing.
                I've pointed out the flaws repeatedly and your response has been either regurgitating the same illogical nonsense or a word-salad that might make me think you've skipped your meds.
                If you had read the thread you also would have seen that the very first thing I said was that I didnt particularly like mandatory sentencing.
                Police are held to a higher standard because they have greater credibility and thus, when evil-minded, have greater ability to inflict damage. This constitutes a greater abuse of their power. If I tell Joe Citizen to come with me, he'll laugh in my face. Officer JB tells him, he'll do it.
                That was exactly the circumstance that drove this legislation to begin with. A woman got into a police officer's car. If he hadnt been an LEO, do you think she would have felt comfortable getting in his car? No.
                Other professions do not have that kind of persuasive power.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by The Rabbi View Post
                  I've pointed out the flaws repeatedly and your response has been either regurgitating the same illogical nonsense or a word-salad that might make me think you've skipped your meds.
                  If you had read the thread you also would have seen that the very first thing I said was that I didnt particularly like mandatory sentencing.
                  Police are held to a higher standard because they have greater credibility and thus, when evil-minded, have greater ability to inflict damage. This constitutes a greater abuse of their power. If I tell Joe Citizen to come with me, he'll laugh in my face. Officer JB tells him, he'll do it.
                  That was exactly the circumstance that drove this legislation to begin with. A woman got into a police officer's car. If he hadnt been an LEO, do you think she would have felt comfortable getting in his car? No.
                  Other professions do not have that kind of persuasive power.
                  *sigh* and as I have pointed out that if you have evil intent and use your profession as a means to an end of those evil intentions there should be enhanced sentencing. Violation of trust is no different regardless of the profession.
                  Sometimes, doing the right thing means p***ing off the bosses.

                  "And shepherds we shall be, for thee my lord for thee."

                  Originally posted by dontknowwhy
                  I still think troopers and deputies who work in the middle of no where with essentially no back up are the 'men among men' of the LEO world.
                  Originally posted by weinerdog2000
                  as far as your social experiment, if we cant film you then you cant film us, we will arrest you for obstruction of our freedom.

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                  • #69
                    [QUOTE=Redders4786;867637]I, yet again, make the acertion that a LEO that premeditates murder is not a LEO anymore, but just another criminal who happens to wear a uniform.



                    Does that mean he/she can be charged with impersonating a LEO when he/she commits the murder?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by iMarkVideo View Post
                      Does that mean he/she can be charged with impersonating a LEO when he/she commits the murder?
                      If your a videographer and you suddenly make porn are you still a videographer, or are you a porn director?
                      Sometimes, doing the right thing means p***ing off the bosses.

                      "And shepherds we shall be, for thee my lord for thee."

                      Originally posted by dontknowwhy
                      I still think troopers and deputies who work in the middle of no where with essentially no back up are the 'men among men' of the LEO world.
                      Originally posted by weinerdog2000
                      as far as your social experiment, if we cant film you then you cant film us, we will arrest you for obstruction of our freedom.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Redders4786 View Post
                        If your a videographer and you suddenly make porn are you still a videographer, or are you a porn director?
                        Actually still a videographer. And when I shoot porn I fall under different laws. There are certain things I can shoot and things I can't. It's a pretty harsh sentence if I shoot certain sodomy, bestiality or simulated rape. Here it is a class 5 felony. In most states I can't, by law, shoot any porn.....even privatley with concenting adults. But I am still a videographer. Now that is my profession. But you can shoot porn and since it is not your profession, you won't get in the same trouble as I would.

                        Look at the GGW owner. Thousands of camcorders in N.O. during Mardi Gras. He gets charged. No one else. Same deal?

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Redders4786 View Post
                          I, yet again, make the acertion that a LEO that premeditates murder is not a LEO anymore, but just another criminal who happens to wear a uniform.



                          You and I have to agree to disagree. It's not uncommon for people to believe that LEO's have some mythical power and advantages. The simple fact is LEO's don't. Pretty lights, shiney badges, guns, pepper spray, tasers, none of that makes a difference. The only difference is state of mind and intent.
                          I believe LEOs Do have power and advantages over me. What happens if the guy in a Mcdonalds uniform says "freeze"? I will look at him, do the shiver dance and walk away. I really don't think I can do that wih a LEO and go home that night.

                          So what are you saying is that LEO's don't have power and advantages. What do you do if someone does not obey your command? Do they just get to walk away? I think not. Maybe I missed something.

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                          • #73
                            Red,

                            Still never anwered my question though.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by iMarkVideo View Post
                              I believe LEOs Do have power and advantages over me. What happens if the guy in a Mcdonalds uniform says "freeze"? I will look at him, do the shiver dance and walk away. I really don't think I can do that wih a LEO and go home that night.

                              So what are you saying is that LEO's don't have power and advantages. What do you do if someone does not obey your command? Do they just get to walk away? I think not. Maybe I missed something.
                              Okay Mark its obvious that you and I, again, have to agree to disagree. I believe it to be biased and unfair that a harsher sentenced is delievered to someone just because of what they do for a profession. Yes, holy moly, I already stated LEO's have power and advantage, is that sooooooo hard to see. But for whatever reason you can't or won't accept the fact that just because a cop does something wrong doesn't necessarily mean they should recieve a harsher sentence.

                              Quite frankly Mark your obvious dislike for LEO's is apparent, I'm sorry that an officer who did not give you the answers you wanted when he wrote your mom a ticket has put such a bad taste in your mouth. It's an all about me world anymore, and it seems to be your all about LEO's being held to a higher standard while the rest of the world slowly ooze's back into stone age behavior. Good applicants are getting harder and harder to find and our numbers continue to dwindle much like the last stand in midevil novels with society being the horde and LEO the knights being plowed under. Criminals roam our streets, nut bags walk into schools and kill 33 people and the biggest worry that we can come up with is "hey that cop committed murder, they should get a bigger sentence." Regardless of this converstation out of the thousands of LEO's in this country that go to work everyday the number that are killed in the line of duty far exceed the number that commit first degree murder. This legislation is asinine political correctness at it's best. Our justice system can't enforce the law's it does have much less new ones.

                              I'm done with this I've said eveything I need to, and I've made my points. No one's right anyway because it's an opinion, and those are just like rectums, smelly, full of crap and everybody has one.
                              Sometimes, doing the right thing means p***ing off the bosses.

                              "And shepherds we shall be, for thee my lord for thee."

                              Originally posted by dontknowwhy
                              I still think troopers and deputies who work in the middle of no where with essentially no back up are the 'men among men' of the LEO world.
                              Originally posted by weinerdog2000
                              as far as your social experiment, if we cant film you then you cant film us, we will arrest you for obstruction of our freedom.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Redders4786 View Post
                                Okay Mark its obvious that you and I, again, have to agree to disagree. I believe it to be biased and unfair that a harsher sentenced is delievered to someone just because of what they do for a profession. Yes, holy moly, I already stated LEO's have power and advantage, is that sooooooo hard to see. But for whatever reason you can't or won't accept the fact that just because a cop does something wrong doesn't necessarily mean they should recieve a harsher sentence.

                                Quite frankly Mark your obvious dislike for LEO's is apparent, I'm sorry that an officer who did not give you the answers you wanted when he wrote your mom a ticket has put such a bad taste in your mouth. It's an all about me world anymore, and it seems to be your all about LEO's being held to a higher standard while the rest of the world slowly ooze's back into stone age behavior. Good applicants are getting harder and harder to find and our numbers continue to dwindle much like the last stand in midevil novels with society being the horde and LEO the knights being plowed under. Criminals roam our streets, nut bags walk into schools and kill 33 people and the biggest worry that we can come up with is "hey that cop committed murder, they should get a bigger sentence." Regardless of this converstation out of the thousands of LEO's in this country that go to work everyday the number that are killed in the line of duty far exceed the number that commit first degree murder. This legislation is asinine political correctness at it's best. Our justice system can't enforce the law's it does have much less new ones.

                                I'm done with this I've said eveything I need to, and I've made my points. No one's right anyway because it's an opinion, and those are just like rectums, smelly, full of crap and everybody has one.
                                I don't dislike cops. Please don't assume. Yes these are opinions. I do however enjoy a FRIENDLY debate. As you read in my other post I said I this was a friendly debate and I wish not to flame you.

                                In my profession I deal with alot of people and so do you. As you know there are all kinds of peopel with opinions. I was banned from a thread because I changed my email and never notified O. I reread my post and it did sound rediculous. But I was banned before I could apologize.

                                I agree some legislation is rediculous. My only point was, some professions get held in higher regard than others. That's why Bush gets special treatment. LEOs are held in high regard. I hold them in high regard and until a LEO gives me a reason to distrust, I have ultimate respect for LEOs. But not an ordinary citizen. That is my point.

                                Now......although I am self-employed and only work by contract now...I was a news camera man. I have a lot of experience with LEOs because of what I did. I have formed opinions based on my experience. Most of the time, at least in my area, LEOs had no problem with me driving up on a scene. Most gave me more access than I deserved. Mainly because they knew me and I respected them. I also ran (the minority) into a few a**holes too. That's in any profession.

                                My other point was. If I can be held to a higher standard because of my profession, and because of my profession, I can be held MORE accountable for my actions, why not LEOs.

                                Do you believe I should be able to shoot porn and not be held accountable? I think I SHOULD be able to shoot what ever I want as long as adults consent. But I can't. The only thing I am saying is if it's going to be fair be fair. Same as you said.

                                Are you for NOT automatic capital murder if you or your peers are murdered? The reason for the law is you chose to risk your life by your own decision. Cool. The law gave you special treatment for being a brave sole. I commmend you. I also belive since you did choose to put your life on the line everyday for crappy pay, then the harsher sentence for the scum that murders a LEO should pay more.

                                9 years ago I was paid a huge bonus. Why becuse I risked my life to get the ultimate shot (video, not gun). Same concept. Goes both ways.

                                Take care and be safe.

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