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    Thoughts on this article?

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/3...ssay27.article

  • #2
    My first thought was that the title is misleading..
    ''Basically he is no longer an applicant to become a Marine,'' Agostini said.
    summer - winter - work

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    • #3
      Student Discharged

      Reading the article, I find the arrest a little questionable. That said, there could be some factors I'm not aware of. Being a former Marine, I think the Corps ruled wisely in declining Mr. Lee's services. The young man certainly seems to need some medical evaluation, especially in light of the events at Virginia Tech.

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      • #4
        He definitely has some mental issues. I think that the school is afraid of a VT incident and so, are taking every precaution but they may have also opened themselves open to litigation for false arrest with their knee-jerk reaction.

        I am not familiar with the laws in that state so, it might be justified.
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        • #5
          Asked to write about whatever he wanted in a creative writing class, would-be Marine and honors student Lee, 18, described a violent dream in which he shot people and then "had sex with the dead bodies.''


          NOBODY is going to take a chance on this guy.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by xraodcop View Post
            Asked to write about whatever he wanted in a creative writing class, would-be Marine and honors student Lee, 18, described a violent dream in which he shot people and then "had sex with the dead bodies.''


            NOBODY is going to take a chance on this guy.
            + times infinity......
            You have the right to remain silent, but apparently you lack the skill to exercise that right.

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            • #7
              This guy is a shooting waiting to happen. Wise choice voiding his contract to join the marines. He's already a nut let alone being a nut trained by the marine corp.
              "Fast is fine, but accuracy is everything!"-Wyatt Earp

              "You never know when crazy will show up!"-Irishdep

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              • #8
                agreed..


                however during my 8 years in the Inafntry ive heard my share of dead baby and perverted jokes...darn civilians dont laugh as much when you tell them.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Shawn020
                  Wow, you would think a honors student and a USMC applicant would have more common sense than that. Glad they dropped him he obviously showed willful disregard for life and had a very poor sense of character and judgement. I mean come on just because a teacher says to be creative, that doesn't mean loose all your moral fiber and values if they said not to "censor" your writing. Just goes to show you that grades, academic sucess, etc... Is not a good way of distinguishing people. I mean I saw idiots that got good grades in my classes, but they were still idiots and I think we can all attest to that.

                  Have you looked at this country lately.
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                  • #10
                    I don't see arresting and charging the guy with a crime over something he wrote though....Yeah, he needs counseling and yeah, the Marines were right to boot him - but charging the guy over a writing is a bit creepy.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by equinox137 View Post
                      I don't see arresting and charging the guy with a crime over something he wrote though....Yeah, he needs counseling and yeah, the Marines were right to boot him - but charging the guy over a writing is a bit creepy.
                      Amen to that.

                      I cannot believe someone would get arrested over something they wrote. It shows a total lack of intelligence, common decency, and tolerance from the arresting officer(s) and the district attorney. Not only that, but it violates the first amendment. I don't see how much clearer that could be.

                      You want to kick him out of the Marines and recommend counseling? That's fine by me, it's a very wise choice. But he is not guilty of a crime; I don't understand how anyone could think that he is!

                      People are a bunch of chicken**** moron sheep. Recently some guy with a gun went insane, so suddenly every teenager with a creepy, disturbing dream is guilty of a crime?!

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                      • #12
                        Just a heads up.....he can't enlist into the USMC (or any service for that matter) until he gets his case adjudicated.....as you cannot have open traffic/criminal cases against you when you go in.......

                        I would suspect that this will go away.....as I can see how in the world anyone could get charged for what they write....

                        I am suspecting the ACLU will jump in (if they haven't already) and help out......

                        I would sue the school.....but that's just me being vindictive *****........

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                        • #13
                          If no overt threats were made to a person or persons, I dont see how he could be arrested. This is an overt overreaction based upon current events. His turning in such writings shows a clear lack of judgement, but hardly represents a criminal act.

                          I am disturbed at the turn this countries values are taking.
                          Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
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                          • #14
                            First and foremost.. The kid is not too swift to write an essay like this after the VT incident, so he HAD to expect SOMETHING to come from it. Though arresting him for disorderly conduct is pretty extreme. I don't think that matters though because I doubt they will get a convinction.

                            As for the Marines.. I'm not a Marine, but I know many "ex" Marines ( ) and if this kid is a little off.. I think he made the right choice to join the marines (Just kidding.)

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                            • #15
                              DOC here is essentially causing someone to be "alarmed and disturbed." That being said, I'm sure they thought to themselves that the teacher was alarmed by it. I think its a bad thing though when the governement arrests you for your thoughts in an essay written in a place of education.
                              For the cops out there: You are an adult. If you want to write someone, write them. If you don't want to write someone, then don't write them.

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