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  • InlandEmpire
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    That would be embarrassing to explain

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  • Tim Dees
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    Originally posted by InlandEmpire View Post
    IWould anyone here have a problem if they were seen going into a legal brothel?? Ok,,morally wrong (I guess).
    One of the questions I have seen on background forms, and one that is asked of blood donors, is "Have you ever paid someone for sex?" or "Have you ever patronized a prostitute?" If you've been a customer at a brothel, even a legal one, the answer to both questions would be "yes." It would be a problem some places, and others wouldn't care. But I don't think I would like to be in the position of having to say, "Yes, but let me explain..."

    Cops, especially cops in high-profile assignments, can't afford to risk even the appearance of impropriety. Perception is reality where your public image is concerned.

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  • InlandEmpire
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    It cracks me up that these two guys could have gone to a legal brothel with no problems at all..I mean, what's the story here?..this story is like they went into a bar without a liquor license and ordered an alcoholic drink! Would anyone here have a problem if they were seen going into a legal brothel?? Ok,,morally wrong (I guess).

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  • ExplorerE321
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    ON a lighter side of this story,

    did anyone ever see the episode of Reno 911! where ( forgive me here) the short-shorts wearing Lt. and the idiot who wheres his vest on the oustide of his clothes go to a place liek that for a "sting operation" and the next thing you see is them running out of the "establishment" butt naked shooting at a car?


    Just wondering,

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  • leopold99
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    the sheriffs dept. played the story wrong.

    the dept should have said the cops were working an undercover sting.
    the two officers should have been reprimanded in private.

    my opinion of course.

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  • Traffic_82
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    Ummm...if they were that hard up for it (pun), why didn't they just drive to a legal brothel?

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  • JBean
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    So, if this happened to a regular deputy or rank and file person (I'm not an LEO, don't know the right term to use), would he be able to keep his job if he was caught in such a raid?

    Geesh, if you're going to do something like that, at least plan it well. I read they were there on their personal time, they believed it was a legit place even though it was in a residential area with no signage, they were just being horny middle-aged men in Vegas. What happened to all those years of experience under their belts about questionable places? bleeeh...
    Last edited by JBean; 05-05-2007, 02:35 AM.

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  • Loren Pechtel
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    Originally posted by Tim Dees View Post
    All of the things you mentioned meet my criteria of not being on the "up-and-up."
    Ok, terminology problem. I'm saying that such people might offer only massage and yet not have a license.

    My understanding is that there was usually only one applicant going for licensing at a time. The board was a group of massage therapists and other community members who were either unpaid or paid a token amount. Beyond that, I have to assume that the process was working for them. At that time, the "massage parlor" business was fairly rare in that city. The professional massage therapists worked for health clubs and physical therapy clinics, mostly.
    Maybe a long time ago. I know that here in Las Vegas at least one time there were hundreds taking the exam. (I heard this from someone who was taking it.)

    That's exactly what most "massage parlors" are.
    I thought most of them offered massage and maybe extras. I'm saying these places almost certainly didn't even offer massage, just sex.

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  • Tim Dees
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    Originally posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    I'm sure there are some who can't get a license for reasons unrelated to ability. Illegals, those on the run from child support etc. Thus a lack of a license doesn't preclude someone being on the up-and-up, although it certainly suggests it.
    All of the things you mentioned meet my criteria of not being on the "up-and-up."

    Originally posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    While I wouldn't expect funny business in the massage it seems to me that it's an unfair perk for the board people. I think it would be better of they massaged each other while being observed by the licensing board.
    My understanding is that there was usually only one applicant going for licensing at a time. The board was a group of massage therapists and other community members who were either unpaid or paid a token amount. Beyond that, I have to assume that the process was working for them. At that time, the "massage parlor" business was fairly rare in that city. The professional massage therapists worked for health clubs and physical therapy clinics, mostly.

    Originally posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    There still is the greater issue that given the volume implied in the news report that this wasn't massage with a happy ending but an out-and-out brothel.
    That's exactly what most "massage parlors" are.

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  • Fëanor
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    Originally posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    However, someone working that way isn't going to have a sign out front that someone can walk in off the street.
    Actually, most of the places EXCEPT the one they were at had a sign. This was taken from the original posted article:

    Legitimate massage parlors operate in the same area, but most of those have signs, Logue said.
    Lots of small businesses operate with nothing more than a small sign in front of a house, especially in older parts of town.

    Personally I think the pair probably knew what they were up to.

    Do I think it's immoral? No. Do I think a case could be proven against them? No.

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  • Loren Pechtel
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    Originally posted by Tim Dees View Post
    The distinction is going to be whether the service provider is a licensed massage therapist. There is both a written and practical exam for that license, and not just anyone can get one. The "masseuses" in the massage parlors are unlikely to have therapist licenses.
    I'm sure there are some who can't get a license for reasons unrelated to ability. Illegals, those on the run from child support etc. Thus a lack of a license doesn't preclude someone being on the up-and-up, although it certainly suggests it.

    In Reno, there was a conference room in city hall that was used whenever a massage therapist applicant took their practical exam. The exam consisted mostly of giving a massage to a member of the licensing board. That got a lot of snickers around the building, even though I never heard of any funny stuff going on.
    While I wouldn't expect funny business in the massage it seems to me that it's an unfair perk for the board people. I think it would be better of they massaged each other while being observed by the licensing board.


    There still is the greater issue that given the volume implied in the news report that this wasn't massage with a happy ending but an out-and-out brothel.

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  • Loren Pechtel
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    Originally posted by LeanG View Post
    Did they include the address? Not that I would go there or anything...
    Only the block. That's what the paper here normally does with crime reporting.

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  • Going_Loud
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    These guys were doing research for a possible sting in there county. Official police business.

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  • Tim Dees
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    Originally posted by bigislander72 View Post
    So what is the legal status of so called escort services? From my understanding of things, one is not paying for sex, but for the companionship. What usally follows is sexual relations, but because thats not explicitly whats being paid for, its legal? Is that the test to determine what is illegal and what isn't. Do these people get busted in vice stings as well?
    Occasionally. The escort services are a little harder to bust, as the sexual transaction usually takes place in private, such as in a hotel room. PDs all over, not just in LV, stage sting operations where the escort is called to a room. The escorts are going to be a lot more cautious with a john they don't know, so it takes quite a bit of manpower and time to get a good arrest. There has to be an offer of sex for money, and the escorts are usually a little higher on the intellectual food chain than the typical hooker. LV is so tight on jail space that prostitution arrests are usually cited and released. Even though there are legal brothels just outside the county boundaries, there are lots of hookers working the street in Vegas.

    Originally posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    They thought it was a legit place????
    I can imagine a masseuse working out of their home even though it would technically be illegal. However, someone working that way isn't going to have a sign out front that someone can walk in off the street.
    The distinction is going to be whether the service provider is a licensed massage therapist. There is both a written and practical exam for that license, and not just anyone can get one. The "masseuses" in the massage parlors are unlikely to have therapist licenses.

    In Reno, there was a conference room in city hall that was used whenever a massage therapist applicant took their practical exam. The exam consisted mostly of giving a massage to a member of the licensing board. That got a lot of snickers around the building, even though I never heard of any funny stuff going on. Real massage therapists are pretty protective of their professional status. They are also unlikely to be working out of their home, and will only provide outcall service to people they are reasonably sure aren't looking for the "happy ending" feature.

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  • theconstipated1
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    Originally posted by MPSoldier84 View Post
    From the look on their faces, with those big smiles, it looks like they just got a happy ending before the pictures were taken.

    LOL, that`s a good one.lol

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