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  • #16
    It's brutal for the new feds coming on as GS-5s in areas like DC, CA or NY.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by BP3 View Post
      FLEO here.

      Working without pay is not ideal, but I’ll never let it affect how I do my job.

      I knew shutdowns were possible when I was sworn in. I made a point to save for A few months worth of expenses for situations like this.

      I know guys who are struggling with families; I feel for them.
      In the same boat with ya. I get asked all the time how my morale is, honestly it hasn't hit me yet. I got some nice checks with OT on them prior to Christmas and I saw the writing on the well so I saved them. But I am lucky, I'm a single guy with a paid off car so my bills consist of just the normal rent, insurance, etc. I'm not having to feed a family, etc. As far as impacting my job, I'm still full steam ahead but I know there are others who are stalling and doing the minimal since they are not getting paid.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by wildlife97 View Post

        In the same boat with ya. I get asked all the time how my morale is, honestly it hasn't hit me yet. I got some nice checks with OT on them prior to Christmas and I saw the writing on the well so I saved them. But I am lucky, I'm a single guy with a paid off car so my bills consist of just the normal rent, insurance, etc. I'm not having to feed a family, etc. As far as impacting my job, I'm still full steam ahead but I know there are others who are stalling and doing the minimal since they are not getting paid.

        That's awesome. Good to hear everything is going swimmingly for you during all this. Being awesome is cool. Btw, whatever happened to that girlfriend of yours who went galavanting across Europe last summer with her ex? You kinda left us hanging on how that worked out...

        It's amazing how much money one can saving living in the middle of nowhere. I spent ten years working in backwater communities with buttpimple little towns. My required housing cost $330/month and other than a new shotgun or rifle every year, there was nothing to spend money on. The nearest city with a bar I could walk in and not have some cull in my face was two hours away. I saved more money and had more expendable income as a GS-7 making $28,000 than anytime in my career. Nowadays a sub sandwich and fountain drink lunch costs me fourteen bucks and monthly internet so I can post at O.com costs more than a pair of Nikes.

        Unfortunately, frugal rural living is not reality for most. Many of the tens of thousands of affected LEOs live in places like San Francisco, Miami, NYC, or northern Virginia. They have families and homes and the monthly nut for a 3bd/2ba house is often a full third or half of their salary. There's also car loans, credit cards, association fees, school loans, gym fees and all the other stuff that quickly gobbles up money like food, insurance, and utility bills. Maybe their spouse works, maybe not. My point is not everyone has the luxury of squirrelling away funds in preparation for a Category 4 hurricane... for an El Nino wildfire season... for the zombie Apocalypse... or for a govt shutdown.

        Notice how truly voiceless employees are on this issue. 800,000 employees- how many are LEO? Let's assume 100,000, which is probably a low estimate. No one is striking. No massive walkouts. No one is going on MSNBC or CNN and barking at the camera. Everyone is going to work, trying to do their best amidst the dysfunction, willing to sacrifice despite the obvious indifference to their plight.

        People can be optimistic and hopeful about a quick resolution all they want but this sucker is different. There's no budging on either side because each side has too much at stake and too much to lose. Plus, the 34% base is fully energized about this and anyone whose spent time in red state country knows they appreciate federal employees/federal Leo's about as much as they appreciate a wad of cowsh*t on their Tony Lamas.

        It's only been one pay cycle and people are already calling their lenders asking for relief and going to food banks. That's just the regular folks- I know of one hardship situation where the sole breadwinner had a medical emergency a few weeks ago and is in the ICU as I type this. He's married with kids and right now, in addition to having to address a myriad of expenses related to his care and concerns about his health, they don't have income to pay their basic needs like fueling their car for the daily 30 mile drive to the hospital.

        I realize that all this will pass. It always does. But the impact is real for many people.

        And btw, I couldn't care less if 200 miles of Texas fence were built tomorrow. On a list of the biggest taxpayer boondoggles/political vanity projects of the last ten years, I doubt it would make the Top 100. Heck, hundreds of miles of barrier fencing have been quietly placed from San Diego to El Paso over the past 20 years and not one person missed their kid's college tuition payment because of it....
        Last edited by Ratatatat; 01-16-2019, 08:19 AM.
        One day, lad, this will all be yours.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by CCCSD View Post
          It’s all Trumps fault...right? How about the Dems get off their agenda laden butts and ok the wall.
          Republicans had the power for two years, owning both the house and senate, to fund a wall across the southern border. They didn't do it. Now it's the blame game.

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          • #20
            8 years of Obama...
            Now go home and get your shine box!

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            • #21

              misdirection: [mass noun] the action or process of directing someone to the wrong place or in the wrong direction: ‘the deliberate misdirection that had put me off the track’

              deflection: [mass noun] the action or process of deflecting or being deflected

              deflect: cause (someone) to deviate from an intended purpose

              obfuscation: [mass noun] the action of making something obscure, unclear, or unintelligible: ‘when confronted with sharp questions they resort to obfuscation’

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              • #22
                Field notes, Day 28:

                All things considered, morale among the rank and file has been pretty good (there is some relief in knowing others are in the same boat). However, a certain morose is setting in and the general mood sags a little more everyday. It's getting harder to be motivated and stay focused.

                The OGs who are nearing eligibility are leaning towards leaving, not staying, when that day arrives. Frequent indignancies in this line of work are par for course; this one is a game changer though.

                Conversations have morphed into discussions about where to get a free lunch (quite a few places are now offering comped meals), about what the grub is like at food pantries (off-brand canned goods and limp produce), about how many more payless paydays can be absorbed before rainy day funds run dry (the consensus is two), about how to file a financial hardship withdrawal with TSP.

                One previous co-worked called this morning, in tears. The shutdown was one of several stressors she was dealing with.

                At home, we're cutting costs. Cable is being cancelled and replaced with Sling TV on the Firestick. $75 savings a month right there.

                No more eating out, movies, or taking the kids to the bounce house or indoor waterpark. Those might seem trivial but deep winter is settling in and getting out of the house is a huge break when it's frigid outside.

                The worst part- the uncertainty of when it will end. People frequently check news apps only to find nothing is underway to resolve the matter. No plans of negotiations, no prospect of an emergency declaration. Just insults and pettiness.

                Today I read that the next political pressure point won't be until March, when the food stamp program runs out of funds. That's six weeks away.

                I'll update again next week.





                One day, lad, this will all be yours.

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                • J2H
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                  How is the Fire stick?

                • Ratatatat
                  Ratatatat commented
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                  I’m still figuring it out. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks...

              • #23
                Originally posted by retired137 View Post
                misdirection: [mass noun] the action or process of directing someone to the wrong place or in the wrong direction: ‘the deliberate misdirection that had put me off the track’

                deflection: [mass noun] the action or process of deflecting or being deflected

                deflect: cause (someone) to deviate from an intended purpose

                obfuscation: [mass noun] the action of making something obscure, unclear, or unintelligible: ‘when confronted with sharp questions they resort to obfuscation’
                And this is ALL Trumps fault? You’re a moron. Really.
                Now go home and get your shine box!

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                • #24
                  The Dunning–Kruger effect in all it's glory has just been perfectly demonstrated by the last poster. He couldn't understand that a post was not about Trump, it was about said party......them IQ skills need to be brushed up.
                  BTW I won't be responding back.
                  Last edited by retired137; 01-18-2019, 06:32 PM.

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                  • #25
                    You utter failure.
                    Now go home and get your shine box!

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                    • #26
                      Every financial advisor out there will tell you to squirrel away 6 months of salary, "just in case". I had guys driving the most expensive cars, working 40 hours of part time a week, and burning all the leave they earned. Guys riding fast bikes. What happens if you wreck? "I'll sue the other guy." Takes 2 years to get results, what will you do in the meantime? "Work light duty." Ok, if the department allows it. Some won't. "Get leave through the leave bank." Guess what, they look at your leave history and if you are a poor user, that gets turned down.

                      I feel for the guys not getting paid. Too bad Congress gets a fat paycheck every 2 weeks.

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                      • #27
                        I was going to squirrel away money, but I had too many squirrel moments....
                        This Space For Rent

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                        • RGDS
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                          Yea squirreling away on a single paycheck in Silicon Valley isn’t easy.

                        • Pogue Mahone
                          Pogue Mahone commented
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                          I'm actually in the CA04 congressional district. And it's not always easy to squirrel away money here, either... especially during the shutdown.

                        • Exbpa340
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                          I’m in the same area....home prices in the 500K range. Can be difficult but fortunately for me my wife has a decent job and will help greatly during this time. I have a little bit of a cushion but also live an expensive lifestyle.

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