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  • #16
    Cst.sb summed it up well.

    I would hardly call the aforementioned legitimate critisism.

    The daughter has very little to do in this picture. It is irrelevant even ***IF*** it's suggested the police didn't know he had one (which btw, they did). The no-knock was done according to protocol as far as I could see.

    Either way, the questions I asked weren't answered and go back over the same redundant points so I'm done feeding the troll.

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    • #17
      " I swear, he ran right out in front of me and I hit him....twice"
      "Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving foward"- Rocky Balboa

      Black Labs Matter!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by The Rabbi View Post
        Hmm, a little more to it than that.
        I am puzzled how 9 police officers could not subdue one guy. How it is that the suspect failed to notice people shouting "police." If a bunch of people were rushing into my house I'd probably shoot at them too. I note that one officer accidentally shot another during the course of this and police had poor information. These are risks you take with a no-knock warrant.
        Of course you would, but then..........you wouldn't have to worry about it because your a law abiding god fearing adult so the police wouldn't have any reason to be in your home or have enough reasonable su****ion to investigate you for over a year on drug charges would they?
        Sometimes, doing the right thing means p***ing off the bosses.

        "And shepherds we shall be, for thee my lord for thee."

        Originally posted by dontknowwhy
        I still think troopers and deputies who work in the middle of no where with essentially no back up are the 'men among men' of the LEO world.
        Originally posted by weinerdog2000
        as far as your social experiment, if we cant film you then you cant film us, we will arrest you for obstruction of our freedom.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by The Rabbi View Post
          How did they manage to watch him for over a year and fail to notice he had a daughter?
          Show me where it says they failed.
          Sometimes, doing the right thing means p***ing off the bosses.

          "And shepherds we shall be, for thee my lord for thee."

          Originally posted by dontknowwhy
          I still think troopers and deputies who work in the middle of no where with essentially no back up are the 'men among men' of the LEO world.
          Originally posted by weinerdog2000
          as far as your social experiment, if we cant film you then you cant film us, we will arrest you for obstruction of our freedom.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by The Rabbi View Post
            Sorry, but if you're asking for a no-knock warrant then you should be expecting the worst, like armed resistence, and prepare for it accordingly. They clearly didnt do that. Additionally their intelligence stank, as did their preparation and trade craft.
            So how did you get ahold of the debriefing report to know all the tactical in's and out's. A little MMQB'ing here?

            Originally posted by The Rabbi View Post
            As for his having 4 loaded handguns, I guess that makes me a scumbag drug dealer too since I have about 6 loaded handguns plus a loaded shotgun sitting around.
            Nope, you forgot the dope.

            Originally posted by The Rabbi View Post
            And if police officers stage a no-knock raid on my house, like they did on that poor woman in Atlanta, they had better be prepared to take some casualties. No-knocks are asking for trouble.
            Teams always are, that's part of it. Are you?
            Sometimes, doing the right thing means p***ing off the bosses.

            "And shepherds we shall be, for thee my lord for thee."

            Originally posted by dontknowwhy
            I still think troopers and deputies who work in the middle of no where with essentially no back up are the 'men among men' of the LEO world.
            Originally posted by weinerdog2000
            as far as your social experiment, if we cant film you then you cant film us, we will arrest you for obstruction of our freedom.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by The Rabbi View Post
              It is interesting that legitimate criticism of obviously botched operations gets labeled "anti-LEO". I find that disturbing, to say the least.
              Criticism based on what knowledge and training? Do you have the knowledge and ability to analyize a police operation, intrepriting the reports that you seemly have infront of you and see the scene for itself?

              It's about like me sitting in an ER watching a surgery and MMQBing it. I don't have a clue about surgery, nor do you about significant facts in this situation nor do you have the training, experience and knowledge to pass judgement either. Even on this board there are probably only a handle full of posters quailified to actually pass judgement. None of which would because they weren't there.

              Originally posted by The Rabbi View Post
              I would hardly call the operation a success. I doubt anyone would.
              I wouldn't call it botched either. Unfortunate yes, botched no.

              Originally posted by The Rabbi View Post
              Nor would I label the accused a "cop-killer." He was, if anything an "intruder killer." I am all for intruder killers. If the cops had announced themselves properly and he had still shot them, yes I would be violently opposed to anything short of a very very long jail sentence. But, as the magistrate in the case explained, this is hardly a normal cop killing. It is still too early to judge much of what happened. I am sure the trial and subsequent events will reveal much more. I might even change my mind on the whole issue depending on what information comes out. Will you?
              He murdered a police officer acting under color of authority with a valid warrant. I call that a cop killer.

              Really you seem to be doing a pretty good job of judging it even if it is to early.
              Sometimes, doing the right thing means p***ing off the bosses.

              "And shepherds we shall be, for thee my lord for thee."

              Originally posted by dontknowwhy
              I still think troopers and deputies who work in the middle of no where with essentially no back up are the 'men among men' of the LEO world.
              Originally posted by weinerdog2000
              as far as your social experiment, if we cant film you then you cant film us, we will arrest you for obstruction of our freedom.

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              • #22
                You dont need to be a doctor to know that if the surgeon removes the wrong leg, he's screwed up.
                The magistrate was obviously troubled by some aspects of the whole thing, and I'd guess he knows more about it than you do.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by The Rabbi View Post
                  You dont need to be a doctor to know that if the surgeon removes the wrong leg, he's screwed up.
                  The magistrate was obviously troubled by some aspects of the whole thing, and I'd guess he knows more about it than you do.
                  What planet are you from?

                  There was a legal technicality. The definition of day came in question. The warrant was to be executed during the day and they went in an hour before it was daytime. So, does that mean the information forwarded to obtain the warrant was false? No. What this means, is that the judge, like many in Canada, are turning our justice system, which is already in disrepute, into a very crappy legal system at best.

                  The bottom line, is they made a mistake, on the time (5am vs 6am) when they executed the warrant, but that does not excuse the fact the suspect was a drug dealer, had multiple loaded weapons in the house, and KILLED A COP.

                  In policing there are often mistakes, and those mistakes (Even if this was a mistake. They may have executed the warrant at that time to catch the family sleeping to reduce the risk to the children) are weighed against the actions of the offender. And as far as the scales of justice are concerned, there is no greater offence than taking a life. And seeing as there is no question he took a life, and is guilty of at least manslaughter, he should be sitting a jail cell burning up the time he will inevitably be sentenced too.

                  Rabbi your reasoning scares me. Sure you're not a Canadian lawyer?

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                  • #24
                    If it were that simple the guy would be sitting in jail right now.
                    In fact he was under the apprehension that his home was being invaded by an armed rival. He acted reasonably, given that belief. If the prosecutor can show his belief was not reasonable then he'll do time for the killing and whatever else they can nail him on. If his defense lawyer can counter the prosecutor's claim and create enough doubt, he'll likely go free. Which would be a tremendous shame.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by The Rabbi View Post
                      If it were that simple the guy would be sitting in jail right now.
                      In fact he was under the apprehension that his home was being invaded by an armed rival. He acted reasonably, given that belief. If the prosecutor can show his belief was not reasonable then he'll do time for the killing and whatever else they can nail him on. If his defense lawyer can counter the prosecutor's claim and create enough doubt, he'll likely go free. Which would be a tremendous shame.
                      Like I mentioned in an earlier post, under Canadian law there was no justification to use deadly force. In fact, there was no justification under Canadian law to even load his firearm.

                      In Canada, your home gets invaded by rival drug dealers, your duty is to flee or to give them what they want, as property can be replaced, and life cannot.

                      The problem we have up here, is that Judges are not held accountable. They can make all kinds of crazy decisions and almost nothing ever happens. It's so bad that there are "Court Watches" made up primarily of old ladies springing up to draw attention to the madness.

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                      • #26
                        I Think You All Are Being Baited By This Rabbi

                        Who Is

                        1. Some Type Of Administrator Who Has Had His Butt On The Carpet And Now Is The Master Of Know It All Lilly Livered Weaseling.

                        2. Loyal To The Troops Until It Hits The Fan Then Bails.

                        3. Uninformed About Canadien Laws.

                        4. Scumbag Lawyer

                        5. Scumbag Judge (usulay A Lawyer (extra Liberal One At That)

                        6. Or Just Wants To Be The Devils Advocate (is Not An Adovcate A Scumbag Lawyer?)

                        And If The Rabbi Is From Tennessse He Obviously Is A Poor Scumbag Lawyer As Even In The Usa The Use Of Deadly Force In Defense Of Property (the Scumbag Drug Dealers Home) Is Not Allowed. And If The Scumbag Drug Dealer Did Not Want To Risk His Poor Little Children From A Home Invasion Rip Off By Other Scumbag Drug Dealers He Should Not Have Been A Scumbag Drug Dealer. Which Would Have Prevented Him From Coming Up On Le Radar.

                        But Alas One More Year And I Can Retire. Lock And Load My M14 As If
                        My Future Protection Is The Likes Of The Rabbi I Gotta Buy More Mags. Geez I Apologize To My Canadien Le Bretheren For This Ja
                        ASSISTANCE FROM A DISTANCE BY .308

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                        • #27
                          Stay safe and thanks kjk203

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by cst.sb View Post
                            The problem we have up here, is that Judges are not held accountable. They can make all kinds of crazy decisions and almost nothing ever happens. It's so bad that there are "Court Watches" made up primarily of old ladies springing up to draw attention to the madness.
                            It's funny you mention that. A colleague and I were talking about this very thing last night on coffee break. I'm sure hailing from Van I don't have to tell ya but it's getting pretty bad.

                            Let's hope it swings back on the reasonable side soon. Although I doubt it.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Mirrain View Post
                              It's funny you mention that. A colleague and I were talking about this very thing last night on coffee break. I'm sure hailing from Van I don't have to tell ya but it's getting pretty bad.

                              Let's hope it swings back on the reasonable side soon. Although I doubt it.
                              Well, here is hoping!!! I just think that whole damn world has gone crazy. Criminologists teach people that jails don't do anything to rehabilitate - who fricken cares. It houses the bad guy for a determined length of time in which they can't commit offences. Sounds like a simple fix for me.

                              And the Kyoto Accord, what part of given money to developing countries actually reduces green houses gasses? Canada contributes only 2% of the overall 4% that human beings actually produce in the world. Yet, some how people think buying credits makes everything ok. It doesn't, it just socialist measure to spread the world wealth around.

                              But people eat it up here, because the media sells it to them. Where has independent thought gone?

                              Here in BC, the courts have gone crazy. I've street checked a guy on parole after serving only 18mos for a manslaughter conviction. He brought a knife to a bar (that alone could be an Assault), he then gets into a fight over a girl, and subsequently uses the knife, the knife he is unlawfully in possession of, to kill the guy he's fighting with.

                              Where is the Justice? And the NDP and Liberals are blocking even marginal get tough on crime legislation brought forward by the Conservatives.

                              Ok, I have to sit in the sun before my head explodes.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by kjk203 View Post
                                I Think You All Are Being Baited By This Rabbi

                                Who Is

                                1. Some Type Of Administrator Who Has Had His Butt On The Carpet And Now Is The Master Of Know It All Lilly Livered Weaseling.

                                2. Loyal To The Troops Until It Hits The Fan Then Bails.

                                3. Uninformed About Canadien Laws.

                                4. Scumbag Lawyer

                                5. Scumbag Judge (usulay A Lawyer (extra Liberal One At That)

                                6. Or Just Wants To Be The Devils Advocate (is Not An Adovcate A Scumbag Lawyer?)

                                And If The Rabbi Is From Tennessse He Obviously Is A Poor Scumbag Lawyer As Even In The Usa The Use Of Deadly Force In Defense Of Property (the Scumbag Drug Dealers Home) Is Not Allowed. And If The Scumbag Drug Dealer Did Not Want To Risk His Poor Little Children From A Home Invasion Rip Off By Other Scumbag Drug Dealers He Should Not Have Been A Scumbag Drug Dealer. Which Would Have Prevented Him From Coming Up On Le Radar.

                                But Alas One More Year And I Can Retire. Lock And Load My M14 As If
                                My Future Protection Is The Likes Of The Rabbi I Gotta Buy More Mags. Geez I Apologize To My Canadien Le Bretheren For This Ja
                                Your poor grammar and usage support the fact that you cannot read and comprehend well. And your suppositions about me are 100% wrong on every count.
                                Other than that, nice post.

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