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    Hello. There are several questions for colleagues - forensic experts. If someone is registered here - write.

  • #2
    Maybe you should just ask your questions...

    And, just for the record, don't expect any detailed answers regarding specific procedures or techniques that might help someone circumvent criminal forensics. No LEO with specific training in forensics or evidence collection/processing is going to post that on a public message board for anyone to see. Bad guys can do their own research into forensics...we're not here to make it easy for them.
    "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
    -Friedrich Nietzsche

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    • #3
      Originally posted by tsmil View Post
      Hello. There are several questions for colleagues - forensic experts. If someone is registered here - write.
      I believe your auto-correct mis-spelled, "If there are any other CSI Techs or Detectives on here, private message me with your Law Enforcement / Police Agency work eMail address, so I can correspond with you from my LE / P A w eM a, as I would like to discuss with you various techniques, procedures, and gear. To ensure you of my LE / P bonafides, my Agency's ORI is AAnnnnn", so you really ought to up-date it!
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      • #4
        Hello. I do not want to discuss forensic forensics here. I want to chat with colleagues. I live in Ukraine, I work as an expert criminalist in the police, I want to know how they work in other countries.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tsmil View Post
          Hello. I do not want to discuss forensic forensics here. I want to chat with colleagues. I live in Ukraine, I work as an expert criminalist in the police, I want to know how they work in other countries.
          Well that explains some things.

          Don't know if there is any criminalists on the forum but we do have some investigators / detectives and seasoned officers on here.


          What's your specialty?





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          • #6
            Originally posted by tsmil View Post
            Hello. I do not want to discuss forensic forensics here. I want to chat with colleagues. I live in Ukraine, I work as an expert criminalist in the police, I want to know how they work in other countries.
            Since I was quick to judge you to be a troll, I will try to as quickly call myself an idiot for disrespecting you.

            I am a retired (8 years the end of December) Police Officer (35 years of service) from Canada (Royal Canadian Mounted Police - Constable). I was a uniformed General Duty and Traffic Investigator in the Province of Saskatchewan in mostly rural areas in several postings. No high-profile files, just a lot of assaults, break-ins, property damage, and collisions. Alcohol abuse was often a factor for many of my clients, whether suspect, victim, or witness.
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            Mounted Police Professional Association of Canada - Associate (Retired) member
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            • #7
              As I have already said, I have been working as a forensic expert for 18 years. My duties include inspecting the crime scene, photographing it, searching for evidence and seizing it.
              Last edited by tsmil; 11-30-2018, 03:01 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tsmil View Post
                As I have already said, I have been working as a forensic expert for 18 years. My duties include inspecting the crime scene, photographing it, searching for evidence and seizing it.
                I work for a department with limited resources. Depending on the crime I will do all that and investigate the crime. However if the evidence needs testing of any sorts I send it to the state crime lab. For the more serious crime we may call the state investigators to assist with it. They have a dedicated crime scene unit for that stuff.

                I used to work for a medium sized department that had it's own crime scene unit. When I worked there I called them out if there was evidence to be found at the scene..

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                • #9
                  tsmil. Maybe narrow down your questions. Very broad field. Seems to be mostly beat cops here. I took a course in ballistic forensics but don't feel qualified to even comment. Like westside popo said, we call in the pros.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tsmil View Post
                    As I have already said, I have been working as a forensic expert for 18 years. My duties include inspecting the crime scene, photographing it, searching for evidence and seizing it.
                    In addition to my normal patrol duties, I also have advanced training as an Evidence Tech (basically doing the same things that you do). Much like Westside, I work for a small department where I could be the initial responding officer on the the scene and work the entire investigation in addition to my evidence duties...I am also called in specifically as an e-tech when other officers get crime scenes that they can't process on their own for evidence. We also send all of our evidence to a state crime lab and have access to state investigators/e-techs if we get particularly large or complex crimes (it's unlikely that we would work a homicide by ourselves without asking for state assistance, for example, simply because we don't get enough of them to be proficient at working the scenes).
                    "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
                    -Friedrich Nietzsche

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                    • #11
                      If you inspect a crime scene, such as burglary from an apartment, do you search for traces of a criminal yourself, or call a specialist?

                      If possible, specify the country of your work, I wonder where they work.
                      Last edited by tsmil; 12-01-2018, 08:43 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Most of are from the U.S. but there are a few from around the globe.

                        Yes, I do check the crime scene for anything that the criminal may have left behind and or may help identify him or her. I don't limit my self just to the building or room. I search the surrounding area as well. A few times I've been able to recover some of the ALLEGED stolen property stashed near by.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tsmil View Post
                          If you inspect a crime scene, such as burglary from an apartment, do you search for traces of a criminal yourself, or call a specialist?

                          If possible, specify the country of your work, I wonder where they work.
                          A little background...
                          Most officers in the US (somewhere around 85%, if memory serves me) are employed by what are considered "small departments"...statistically, that's a department with fewer than 50 sworn officers. Many departments are much smaller than that 50 officer limit. In small departments, it's pretty rare to have someone specifically assigned to evidence collection...more likely, the department will have trained a patrol officer or detective for evidence collection in addition to their regular duties or will rely upon other departments or state agencies to help.

                          So, patrol officers become very proficient at doing lots of things that they might not be specifically trained for...like evidence. More often than not, if a department doesn't have easy access to an evidence tech/criminalist, then the patrol officer will do what he/she can. Even if a smaller department has someone trained as an evidence tech (like mine), if they're not working when the call comes in, they might not be called in specifically to work the scene for financial reasons (paying overtime).

                          So, to answer your question, it would not be unusual at all for a patrol officer to do evidence collection themselves and never call in a specialist. If the department has someone specially trained or another close-by agency has someone, it might be a bit more likely to call them to a scene. It would be much rarer to call in a state agency to assist in anything short of a major crime.

                          Remember, that's for smaller agencies...big departments tend to do things differently simply because they have more resources.
                          "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
                          -Friedrich Nietzsche

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                          • #14
                            Do you have forensic experts - are these police officers "in uniform" or are they civil servants? Are they subordinate to the police or, for example, the Ministry of Justice?

                            What are your requirements for working as a forensic expert? They can only be citizens of the relevant state?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by tsmil View Post
                              Do you have forensic experts - are these police officers "in uniform" or are they civil servants? Are they subordinate to the police or, for example, the Ministry of Justice?

                              What are your requirements for working as a forensic expert? They can only be citizens of the relevant state?
                              RCMP and other Canadian Police Services have niformed investigators that specialize in crime scene evidence-gathering (photo and video recording (by hand or drone), latent fingerprints, DNA, tool marks), but they will forward the evidence to our crime labs (several are operated by the RCMP, while the Provinces of Ontario and Quebec have their own) or to central criminal fingerprint records (RCMP) for analysis by civilian specialists (chemistry, engineering, DNA, fingerprint comparison).

                              Some uniformed General Duty investigators are additionally trained to lift latent prints, but send recovered prints to the civilian analysts.

                              Canadian GD uniformed investigators are often tasked with less-complicated scene (break-in, assault, vehicle collision) photo / video recording.
                              #32936 - Royal Canadian Mounted Police - 1975-10-27 / 2010-12-29
                              Proud Dad of #54266 - RCMP - 2007-02-12 to date
                              RCMP Veterans Association - Regina Division member
                              Mounted Police Professional Association of Canada - Associate (Retired) member
                              "Smile" - no!

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