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  • #31
    Originally posted by Langford PR View Post


    I agree. Unfortunately for Starbucks I don't see how they can call on anyone anymore. If it wasn't justified in this circumstance then who the F... can they call on now who can't legitimately sue? Bum, disheveled, stinky, dirty, etc.....who can't use the 'inherent bias' BS against them now?



    Simple to know. It is an opportunity for the race-baiters to stoke the fires a little more to get paid and get some air time with the complicit media. Nothing more and NOTHING less.
    I'm no expert on Starbucks. I could be wrong about people doing this. On your second point, I don't know how people can think it's so out of the realm of possibility that black people would be discriminated against. We are not living in a post-racial society. We are just as segregated as we ever were.

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    • #32
      I heard news reports that the PD apologized to the men. Did I hear correctly? If so, that’s a utter crock of bovine scatology! PD did their job. No apology necessary!
      Getting shot hurts! Don't under estimate the power of live ammo. A .22LR can kill you! I personally feel that it's best to avoid being shot by any caliber. Your vest may stop the bullet, but you'll still get a nice bruise or other injury to remember the experience.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by HI629 View Post
        I heard news reports that the PD apologized to the men. Did I hear correctly? If so, that’s a utter crock of bovine scatology! PD did their job. No apology necessary!
        The chief got his mind right....Starbucks is not a proprietorship but is a public park and well known as such, evidently.
         
        Harry S. Truman, (1884-1972)
        “Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.”

        Capt. E.J. Land USMC,
        “Just remember – life is hard. But it’s one hell of a lot harder if you’re stupid.

        George Washington, (1732-1799)
        "I hope I shall possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man."

        Originally posted by Country_Jim
        ... Thus far, I am rooting for the zombies.

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        • Langford PR
          Langford PR commented
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          .....at least he didn't throw his officers under the bus with himself.

        • HI629
          HI629 commented
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          Yup. Props for that. He was probably “ordered’ to issue the apology. :-( Dam politicians!

      • #34
        Originally posted by iconoclaste View Post

        I'm no expert on Starbucks. I could be wrong about people doing this
        .

        Oh, make no mistake about what I'm saying. I did not say that Starbucks doesn't allow that....I said I'd never experienced it. So, it very well may be that I'm the one who's wrong.....and that wouldn't be the first time as I find myself more and more living somewhere I don't know anymore.




        On your second point, I don't know how people can think it's so out of the realm of possibility that black people would be discriminated against
        .

        As the CEO of Starbuck's proves that they do believe that.....or at least will grab cheeks to pander to it.




        We are not living in a post-racial society. We are just as segregated as we ever were.
        Agreed again! As character plays second fiddle to color....what a world...what a world

         
        Harry S. Truman, (1884-1972)
        “Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.”

        Capt. E.J. Land USMC,
        “Just remember – life is hard. But it’s one hell of a lot harder if you’re stupid.

        George Washington, (1732-1799)
        "I hope I shall possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man."

        Originally posted by Country_Jim
        ... Thus far, I am rooting for the zombies.

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        • #35
          Originally posted by iconoclaste View Post
          I don't know how people can think it's so out of the realm of possibility that black people would be discriminated against. We are not living in a post-racial society. We are just as segregated as we ever were.
          No, racial discrimination is definitely not a thing of the past, and I doubt it ever will be.

          But not EVERYTHING that happens is based on someone's race. Most of the time it's based on someone's own ACTIONS. Being a certain race or color shouldn't prevent people from being held accountable for their conduct. As cops we see it all the time. If I pull a white guy over it's because he was speeding. If I pull a black guy over it must be because he's black. It doesn't matter that I had no idea what color they were when I initiated the stop.

          But to get back to Starbucks...let's consider a hypothetical scenario:

          A white guy and a black guy walk into the same Starbucks and take a p*ss in the corner. Both are arrested. After the media and certain groups are done with it, the narratives would be "Man arrested for urinating on floor at Starbucks" and "Starbucks denies black man access to restroom". Guaranteed.

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          • #36
            Don't feed the little troll.
            I yell "PIKACHU" before I tase someone.

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            • #37
              . I just think the whole thing was unnecessary and both the store and bros are at fault. No idea why the Police were even involved though.
              Last edited by TUNEDNIMPORTED; 04-21-2018, 11:40 PM.

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              • #38
                Originally posted by TUNEDNIMPORTED View Post
                . I just think the whole thing was unnecessary and both the store and bros are at fault. No idea why the Police were even involved though.
                Seriously, the police were called at the request of an employee at Starbucks. The police asked the guys to leave at the request of the employees. The police just didn't show up.
                Last edited by moparfan; 04-22-2018, 09:59 PM.
                I'd rather be judged by 12 rather carried by 6.

                It should be noted that any and all post that are made are based on my own thought and opinions. And are not related or implied to represent the department I work for.

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                • #39
                  I had a discussion with a journalist about whether the officers who arrived at the scene, did the right thing by blindly following property owner's request to trespass these two (non-)customers.

                  My position: once the police is called, the officers are supposed to trespass on owner's request, not going into the reasons of the request. The request itself can be wrong, contradicting establishment's own policy, racist, unfair, anything - the officers are not supposed to even ask. The only two things that matter are (1) whether the request by property owner was made, and (2) whether they refused. The trespassed party is welcome to initiate any proceedings against the establishment, from boycott to lawsuit, this is between them; the police shouldn't be involved and is not in position to decide who is right.

                  His position: "You're confusing your ideology of libertarian rights to control who enters your establishment with established civil rights law which says if you aren't a private club, you cannot discriminate regarding who gets to enter, and that everyone who uses your store gets treated the same. (...) It is in fact the duty of police to determine what is going on before making an arrest. We've had cops in Philly lost their jobs for doing that. " I.e. according to him, the officers had to investigate and find that owner's request to trespass was discriminatory, and to deny it.

                  So I wonder, who is right? Are the officers supposed to investigate whether the property owner's request to leave was in line with the broader law beyond trespassing?

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                  • #40
                    If you enter a business without purchasing anything and are asked to leave or buy. Make a decision. Apparently, there is a huge segment of the population who believe they have the absolute right to go into or onto private property and do what they want.

                    If more tresspassers were thrown physically out the door or through a window, this BS wouldn’t happen.

                    The OWNER or RESPONSIBLE person has the right to remove trespassing persons. They can use as much FORCE as is needed to do so.



                    Now go home and get your shine box!

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                    • #41
                      Even I knew as a teenager in high school that if you're going to hang out at a coffee shop (sometimes it was to study or do homework with classmates) that you ORDER A DAMN DRINK. Why is that so hard to understand? Making purchase = customer. Not making purchase = loiterer. Not that ****ing hard.
                      Originally posted by RSGSRT
                      We've reached a point where natural selection doesn't have a chance in hell of keeping up with the procreation of imbeciles.
                      Why is it acceptable for you to be an idiot, but not acceptable for me to point it out?

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                      • #42
                        I saw this on facebook:



                        It took me a while before I found out it's fake:



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                        • #43
                          Originally posted by Aerohead View Post
                          Even I knew as a teenager in high school that if you're going to hang out at a coffee shop (sometimes it was to study or do homework with classmates) that you ORDER A DAMN DRINK. Why is that so hard to understand? Making purchase = customer. Not making purchase = loiterer. Not that ****ing hard.
                          I think the culture has shifted leftward. There is more progressive influence (look at California). The progressives want people to be more like children, to look at the government as parents, not to worry about where resources come from, to feel entitled to have all basic needs met (by parents/government), to be young enough that they are still accustomed to having other people pay many or most of their bills for them, to still be on their parents' health care plan, to pay little or nothing in federal income taxes, to have little or no responsibility, to be on the receiving end of government-coerced redistribution programs (certainly not on the paying end), and to generally be dependent on government in as many ways as possible: that's the kind of voter that progressives want: an infantilized voter.
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                          List of Islamic terror attacks in the last 30 days

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                          • Aerohead
                            Aerohead commented
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                            No argument here. That's pretty spot on. And it's only getting worse.

                        • #44
                          Originally posted by not.in.MY.town View Post

                          No, racial discrimination is definitely not a thing of the past, and I doubt it ever will be.

                          But not EVERYTHING that happens is based on someone's race. Most of the time it's based on someone's own ACTIONS. Being a certain race or color shouldn't prevent people from being held accountable for their conduct. As cops we see it all the time. If I pull a white guy over it's because he was speeding. If I pull a black guy over it must be because he's black. It doesn't matter that I had no idea what color they were when I initiated the stop.
                          Yes, agreed, you guys are leveled with a bunch of misdirected anger and bull**** that you don't deserve. I completely agree. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in racial bias. I believe in racial bias because I have it. If I'm driving through North minneapolis, and I come to a stoplight, my doors are gonna be locked. That ain't happening if I'm in Edina or some other white suburb. Some of that fear is justified because I'm literally in a disproportionately higher crime area, but there's a ton of good black people that live in that area too, a bunch of people that I shouldn't be scared of, who don't deserve this fear that I have.

                          So, this to me is racial bias. Our stereotypes (ie violent black men) end up being applied to all black people by default. Sure there are grains of truth in every stereotype, but the problem with stereotypes is that they are incomplete, and inevitably we generalize our bias and that becomes a problem when innocent people are affected by it.

                          I'm not saying we need to go around catering to everyone, not my point. Nor should we put cops in more dangerous situations, again counterproductive and just plain wrong. But to deny that this bias exists is just dumb. We should all do a better job of recognizing our bias, in all forms, so we can act more rationally and treat people like individuals instead of groups. And that means that when we do run into a situation where that bias creates an unfair or unjust situation, that we recognize it for what it is. Not saying this is that situation, just that I know for a fact these situations happen. They happen all the time, no matter how pure or rational we consider ourselves to be.

                          Racial division and bias isn't some fantasy. It's the product of a country that instituted slavery, neo-slavery, and Jim Crow laws. You can't erase 400 years of history in a couple generations. This is all part of why we are here, and why this conversation exists. If we existed in a vacuum where history and context didn't matter, then we could sit around wondering about why didn't these people just leave the store. But that's not how it works.

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                          • #45
                            Originally posted by iconoclaste View Post

                            Racial division and bias isn't some fantasy. It's the product of a country that instituted slavery, neo-slavery, and Jim Crow laws. You can't erase 400 years of history in a couple generations. This is all part of why we are here, and why this conversation exists. If we existed in a vacuum where history and context didn't matter, then we could sit around wondering about why didn't these people just leave the store. But that's not how it works.
                            Not to go after you, you brought up a decent point. But can anyone answer me the following question: Why is only one collective group of Americans feel they are entitled to some form of restitution from the rest of society? I'm sorry to point out a group of people that have been raped, enslaved, forcefully moved in the dead of winter and given blankets with know dieases that would kill, and to this day live in substandard living situations....Native Americans were the first group of Americans to suffer. They are given less in form of education and and assistance just because they are soverign nation. Crimes against Native Americans go unsolved if the suspect was a non Native simply because of a legal loop hole. Money earned from Nations with a casino are to spread equally but does it always happen?

                            I'm tired of all the racial spinning of things just for a news story. It honestly feels as if we are going backwards in this country.
                            I'd rather be judged by 12 rather carried by 6.

                            It should be noted that any and all post that are made are based on my own thought and opinions. And are not related or implied to represent the department I work for.

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