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  • #16
    Originally posted by Rudy8116 View Post
    You know, you can day what you want about their political views, but you can't deny the success and the business model of Chick FIL A. They serve good food, quickly, and they are polite. And they support L.E. when a Euless, TX officer was murdered, the local Chick-fil-A reserved a table, tilted the chairs towards the table so no one would sit there, and placed a folded flag and a respectful note on the table. And regardless of their religious or political stances, Chick-fil-A serves everyone. I've even seen muslims being served.

    Same thing with Rasing Canes Chicken Fingers. The reason these places are successful is because they don't act like divks.
    I looked it up about Chick-fil-A and the murdered officer. There's a photo of that table in the article linked below. It reminds me of the quote:

    "When a police officer is killed, it's not an agency that loses an officer, it's an entire nation."

    http://www.fox4news.com/news/euless-...ing-man-table#
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    • #17
      The more I hear this story reported the more I just have this strange feeling that this was a set up. I would love to find out more about the people involved in this.
      Stupid has no color or race, everyone can participate.

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      • PtownVAMike
        PtownVAMike commented
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        Yeah, SOMEBODY'S got a vested interest in keeping racial distrust/unrest alive.

      • Max K
        Max K commented
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        "Your Race Doesn't Entitle You to Sit in a Starbucks Without Buying Coffee" opinion piece by Daniel Greenfield:. https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2...iel-greenfield

      • shortyj
        shortyj commented
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        Agreed. This happens often. People make a stir to see how we react.

    • #18
      Something tells me this wan't the first time these guys hung out "waiting for a friend" while ordering nothing and wanting to use the restroom.

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      • #19
        Originally posted by Pogue Mahone View Post
        Can you provide a link to an article that reports such a corporate policy?
        https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...327183651.html

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...hultz/2829937/

        http://joemiller.us/2013/09/starbuck...want-business/

        https://www.policeone.com/gun-legisl...er-a-low-blow/

        Personally, I had two officers refused service at a Starbucks, being in uniform and carrying a firearm.

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        • RGDS
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          That’s strange.

          I work in Silicon Valley and have never had issues with any of the Starbucks locations in my area. Even after our night shifts had a run-in with the morning shift manager. No issues.

      • #20
        I've had coffee at Starbucks on duty hundreds of times, multiple locations, never once had any issues at all.
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        • #21
          Nope.

          The first was a story about a single employee at a Starbucks refusing an officer the bathroom key code. Nowhere in that piece does it mention a Starbucks corporate policy requiring employees to bar cops from using their restrooms.

          The others deal with guns being barred from their stores, not cops.

          As RGDS & ateamer attest, LE isn't having any issues w/in Starbucks stores (or at least not in CA). Even here in Seattle I haven't heard of any Starbucks denying service to cops.

          Blaming all for the actions of one or very few is something you should know is not cool. Would you want to be characterized by the actions of Christopher Dorner, Michael Slager or Craig Peyer?
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          • #22
            Starbucks, if I remember accurately, sent a shizload of coffee to the sandbox for the troops over the years.
            Liberal leaning? yes- mostly.
            Good corporate stewards? Yes- definitely.

            The SB shutdown for bias training is more publicity stunt, BUT, my department had a mandatory class on implicit bias this year as part of our annual in service that had officers like me, (I do not consider myself to be racist) second guessing some of the things I have done/do.
            If done correctly, implicit bias training is a good thing because we ALL carry some kind of implicit bias towards one group (not necessarily racial) or another.
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            • #23
              Ok. My experiences? **** 'em.

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              • RGDS
                RGDS commented
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                Not all. Just the opposite. Why do some places have little to no issues and others have several?

            • #24
              Originally posted by Rudy8116 View Post
              You know, you can day what you want about their political views, but you can't deny the success and the business model of Chick FIL A. They serve good food, quickly, and they are polite. And they support L.E. when a Euless, TX officer was murdered, the local Chick-fil-A reserved a table, tilted the chairs towards the table so no one would sit there, and placed a folded flag and a respectful note on the table. And regardless of their religious or political stances, Chick-fil-A serves everyone. I've even seen muslims being served.

              Same thing with Rasing Canes Chicken Fingers. The reason these places are successful is because they don't act like divks.
              LOVE Chick-Fil-A! Just don’t expect service on a Sunday.
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              • #25
                I don't understand why white people get so offended and defensive when people point out that they have racial bias. Everyone has racial bias. The idea that we are all 100% rational objective color blind people is self evidently not true. Of course bias exists, and of course black people will get the brunt end of it.

                Have we lost all perspective and understanding of the history of our country? This country is incredibly segregated, and it has been since the first slave ships sailed into port. Bias training is literally black people attempting to explain what it's like to be black in America. Nothing but good can come of this type of a thing. Even if it only serves to make white people sit around and talk to other black people about race in a structured and direct way, then it's good. The only chance we have as a population to mend and heal some of this division is to listen to each other. And that doesn't go just for white people, it goes for everyone.

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                • #26
                  Originally posted by iconoclaste View Post
                  I don't understand why white people get so offended and defensive when people point out that they have racial bias. Everyone has racial bias. The idea that we are all 100% rational objective color blind people is self evidently not true. Of course bias exists, and of course black people will get the brunt end of it.

                  Have we lost all perspective and understanding of the history of our country? This country is incredibly segregated, and it has been since the first slave ships sailed into port. Bias training is literally black people attempting to explain what it's like to be black in America. Nothing but good can come of this type of a thing. Even if it only serves to make white people sit around and talk to other black people about race in a structured and direct way, then it's good. The only chance we have as a population to mend and heal some of this division is to listen to each other. And that doesn't go just for white people, it goes for everyone.
                  Of course we all have biases (and not just related to race). Some are openly biased, others are closeted. Some act on it, others don't. Some aren't even aware they have them. Can we all benefit from racial bias training? Probably.

                  That being said...the whole Starbucks incident was not (or should not have been made) about race. It was about people holding a "business meeting" inside a private beverage-service establishment and not having the decency to make a minimal purchase. In what friggin world is that acceptable? I don't care what color you are. Make a purchase or get the F out. If you don't comply with such a reasonable request then you'll be removed. It's a pretty simple concept, really.

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                  • #27
                    Originally posted by not.in.MY.town View Post

                    Of course we all have biases (and not just related to race). Some are openly biased, others are closeted. Some act on it, others don't. Some aren't even aware they have them. Can we all benefit from racial bias training? Probably.

                    That being said...the whole Starbucks incident was not (or should not have been made) about race. It was about people holding a "business meeting" inside a private beverage-service establishment and not having the decency to make a minimal purchase. In what friggin world is that acceptable? I don't care what color you are. Make a purchase or get the F out. If you don't comply with such a reasonable request then you'll be removed. It's a pretty simple concept, really.
                    I assumed this was common practice. People use it as a location to conduct interviews, hold meetings, etc. I would think generally people would order something, but not always. This guy called into the local radio show here and explained how Starbucks is close to his business and he conducts interviews all the time, but never orders anything. He said he commonly sits at Starbucks for hours at a time without ordering anything.

                    The truth is that if you go to a Starbucks in a nice area, and you aren't some disheveled homeless person, then I'd imagine you could get away with sitting at Starbucks all day without ordering something. Would it be right? No, but that's beside the point, which is that if you have a rule and you enforce it unequally, then you'd better have a good reason. Starbucks located in big cities should have the right to refuse service to people that aren't ordering anything because they have to, otherwise every bum on the street would come in and sit there all day. That makes sense. And I don't know what happened here. Maybe there's something more to the story, but maybe someone just messed up badly. Who knows?

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                    • #28
                      Originally posted by iconoclaste View Post

                      I assumed this was common practice. People use it as a location to conduct interviews, hold meetings, etc. I would think generally people would order something, but not always. This guy called into the local radio show here and explained how Starbucks is close to his business and he conducts interviews all the time, but never orders anything. He said he commonly sits at Starbucks for hours at a time without ordering anything.

                      The truth is that if you go to a Starbucks in a nice area, and you aren't some disheveled homeless person, then I'd imagine you could get away with sitting at Starbucks all day without ordering something. Would it be right? No, but that's beside the point, which is that if you have a rule and you enforce it unequally, then you'd better have a good reason. Starbucks located in big cities should have the right to refuse service to people that aren't ordering anything because they have to, otherwise every bum on the street would come in and sit there all day. That makes sense. And I don't know what happened here. Maybe there's something more to the story, but maybe someone just messed up badly. Who knows?
                      If they're okay with people sitting in there all day and not ordering anything, fine. I figure once you're ASKED to make a purchase or leave...then you should either make a purchase or leave.

                      Granted, if there were several groups of non-ordering people sitting in there...and only the two black men were asked to make a purchase...then yes, there's probably at least implicit bias there. I don't know if that was the case here.

                      But still...if you claim your whole future depends on this meeting then spring for a cup of coffee instead of making a scene and having your ***** arrested.

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                      • #29
                        Originally posted by iconoclaste View Post

                        I assumed this was common practice. People use it as a location to conduct interviews, hold meetings, etc. I would think generally people would order something, but not always.
                        Not in my experience

                        edit-I have never seen a SB used where someone didn't buy something. That's why we go there to have meetings etc. Using a place like that w/o buying is a total c**t thing to do!


                        This guy called into the local radio show here and explained how Starbucks is close to his business and he conducts interviews all the time, but never orders anything. He said he commonly sits at Starbucks for hours at a time without ordering anything.
                        IF...and a big 'if' he's telling the truth I would call him a f'n jerk. If the Starbucks called and wanted him removed I'd be more than happy to escort him out and if he refused I'd be more than happy to arrest him.


                        The truth is that if you go to a Starbucks in a nice area, and you aren't some disheveled homeless person, then I'd imagine you could get away with sitting at Starbucks all day without ordering something.
                        Not in my experience


                        Would it be right? No, but that's beside the point, which is that if you have a rule and you enforce it unequally, then you'd better have a good reason. Starbucks located in big cities should have the right to refuse service to people that aren't ordering anything because they have to, otherwise every bum on the street would come in and sit there all day. That makes sense.
                        I agree. Unfortunately for Starbucks I don't see how they can call on anyone anymore. If it wasn't justified in this circumstance then who the F... can they call on now who can't legitimately sue? Bum, disheveled, stinky, dirty, etc.....who can't use the 'inherent bias' BS against them now?

                        And I don't know what happened here. Maybe there's something more to the story, but maybe someone just messed up badly. Who knows?
                        Simple to know. It is an opportunity for the race-baiters to stoke the fires a little more to get paid and get some air time with the complicit media. Nothing more and NOTHING less.
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                        • #30
                          Originally posted by not.in.MY.town View Post

                          If they're okay with people sitting in there all day and not ordering anything, fine. I figure once you're ASKED to make a purchase or leave...then you should either make a purchase or leave.
                          True, which is why it admittedly seems a bit strange. Why risk being arrested over something so trivial unless you had a legitimate beef, as in there were clearly other white people sitting there not buying anything, or you had the intention of doing this to make a political point and/or sue for discrimination.

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