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  • 2 black men arrested at Philadelphia Starbucks draw outrage..One-sided story?

    Great on the Commissioner for coming out and speaking, but it's sad that a Cheif, Sheriff, Commissioner or whatever the title is has to do this in today's day and age. And sad that Starbucks did not stand up and say that their employee called.
    I guess one more reason not to go to Starbucks.
    Starbucks has issued an apology after an incident that led to the arrest of two men at a Philadelphia location earlier this week.
    I'd rather be judged by 12 rather carried by 6.

    It should be noted that any and all post that are made are based on my own thought and opinions. And are not related or implied to represent the department I work for.

  • #2
    One of those situations where the cops didn't HAVE to be called, but once they showed up, they had to act. The employee and the manager basically "pulled the trigger" on this one. They should taken to task, not the police.

    Or am I missing something? Did the officer(s) have discretion in this situation?
    Last edited by PtownVAMike; 04-16-2018, 08:20 AM.
    It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by PtownVAMike View Post
      One of those situations where the cops didn't HAVE to be called, but once they showed up, they had to act. The employee and the manager basically "pulled the trigger" on this one. They should taken to task, not the police.

      Or am I missing something? Did the officer(s) have discretion in this situation?
      I hate to second guess decisions made by officers who were on the scene... but did they have to arrest?

      Could they have stood by while the manager simply asked the two men to leave?
      Could they have escorted the two men out and talked to them in the parking lot?
      Could they have talked to the manager and explained the two mens' side?

      If those guys were as reasonable as they are depicted in the videos, something should have been worked out. For my part, they would have had to do a lot of refusing requests and commands to leave, before they would get arrested on a measly Trespassing charge.
      You can trust just about every officer you work with to risk their life to save yours, but don't ever leave your lunch in the breakroom refrigerator.

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      • RGDS
        RGDS commented
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        Do you know what Pennsylvania law says about these kinds of crimes (trespassing/whatever it’s call)? The Philly cops may have had no choice in their actions. A refusal by the police could also be a crime. (In California, refusal to accept a private persons arrest was a misdemeanor for a long time. That means to cop was the suspect in a crime).

        So what should they have done?

        Starbucks should apologize to the police officers as well.

      • shortyj
        shortyj commented
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        It doesnt happen like that. I work in philly. We do stuff like this all the time. Those guys were NOT reasonable. I myself have had to put my hands on people that dont leave when theyre told. SO you either get dragged out OR arrested for trespassing. Most people in philly dont speak calmly and rationally which is why this had to be done.
        Last edited by shortyj; 04-16-2018, 05:43 PM.

    • #4
      But how many commands or requests need to be given before action is taken? How long do we need to stand there and say the same thing? I agree Starbucks has done the damage on this one. We all know no matter how long we talk to some folks it doesn't matter their mind is made up as to what they want to do. It's crappy that Starbucks is not really standing by their actions. I've been in the same at a bar. A drink chick was there and refused the managers request to leave. I asked and told her to leave several times. She refused, so she spent the night in jail. I wrote the report as tresspassing and refusing lawful orders.
      I'd rather be judged by 12 rather carried by 6.

      It should be noted that any and all post that are made are based on my own thought and opinions. And are not related or implied to represent the department I work for.

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      • #5
        Coffee shops in big cities are hang-outs for the homeless and poor. I used to go to a ncie one, but they started allowing the homeless to slum in there. One the more blatant and shameless would take his shoes off, put them up on a table, and watch netflix with no headphones ALL day. That coffee shop chose him over me. A good coffee shop cracks down on that behavior.... Starbucks corparate chooses to have week knees and and would rather have non-payers hanging out than paying customers. We'll see how that works for them in the long run... The media did a great job on race baiting yet again.

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        • #6
          Like I mentioned in my comment, I do stuff like that all the time. Almost on a nightly basis. Because like mentioned above, the homeless or local bums (whatever you wanna call em) hang out there and deter business. Most of the time people will leave willingly once we show up, but in the above mentioned scenario, that was not the case.

          Starbucks is the one that should be taking ownership of this outcome, but they are not. Like the commissioner mentioned, they dont even let us use the bathroom without buying something LOL.

          As far as the arrest for trespassing goes, Ive had to do that as well (didnt make national news thank god lol). When you ask someone to leave and they refuse, you either 1. Drag them out physically or 2. Arrest them for tresspassing.

          I usually warn persons about the above 2 options. I will calmly discuss why they have to leave and what those options are ONE TIME. After that, I will raise my voice. If that doesnt work, then one of the above 2 options is selected.

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          • #7
            Like I said above (unless something comes to light that changes my mind), I feel that the officers were justified in what they did once they arrived on scene. However, I place the responsibility on the manager for calling the police in the first place. Again, based on what I know so far, that didn't NEED to be done. It sounds like a "but for" incident to me.
            It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.

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            • #8
              Ptown, If two people (race/sex doesn't matter) showed up with lawn chairs and sat on your front lawn for hours, and refused to leave when you asked; saying that they were 'waiting for a friend, who doesan't know the neighborhood,' how long would it take for you to call the police? What if they started to do it every day?

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              • PtownVAMike
                PtownVAMike commented
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                I hear what you're saying. Perhaps I'm not explaining myself well; I just don't want the police to be thrown under the bus. Yes, If I were in the situation you described, I'd want the people to leave, too.

            • #9
              And now the manager is the scape goat
              The manager who called police on two black men who had refused to leave a Philadelphia Starbucks no longer works there, a company spokeswoman confirmed to ABC News today. The news follows Starbucks CEO Kevin Johnson’s comments this morning that he will order managers of the coffee giant's stores
              I'd rather be judged by 12 rather carried by 6.

              It should be noted that any and all post that are made are based on my own thought and opinions. And are not related or implied to represent the department I work for.

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              • #10
                If I get called to a residence or a business and the responsible party says, "I don't want them here", I go to that person and tell them they are being asked to leave. You refuse, you go to jail. Otherwise, I get complained on for not doing me job. I will make every attempt to be reasonable, but if you refuse to leave on your own, I will assist you in leaving.

                Black Rifle Coffee needs to start opening up coffee shops, ASAP.
                I yell "PIKACHU" before I tase someone.

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                • #11
                  there are 3 sides to a story the 2 black men side , Starbucks side and the truth

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                  • #12
                    It's ironic. Starbucks, the the left coast chain that asks cops to disarm when they come in , calls the cops after all. This is not on PPD at all.

                    I think we need to go to Starbucks, take a look at the clientele, and then ask the manager to call the cops to toss out the millenials hogging the 'net and nursing a latte.

                    Then go to Wawa, Dunkin' Donuts, and the other chains that welcome the law to visit and hang out a bit.

                    I never saw the law called to Chick Fil A, yet the left wing whackos in New York are crying about them....

                    http://fortune.com/2018/04/16/the-ne...k-fil-a-essay/

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                    • #13
                      This is dumb.
                      Originally posted by RSGSRT
                      We've reached a point where natural selection doesn't have a chance in hell of keeping up with the procreation of imbeciles.
                      Why is it acceptable for you to be an idiot, but not acceptable for me to point it out?

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                      • #14
                        Originally posted by phillyrube View Post
                        It's ironic. Starbucks, the the left coast chain that asks cops to disarm when they come in
                        Can you provide a link to an article that reports such a corporate policy?
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                        • #15
                          You know, you can day what you want about their political views, but you can't deny the success and the business model of Chick FIL A. They serve good food, quickly, and they are polite. And they support L.E. when a Euless, TX officer was murdered, the local Chick-fil-A reserved a table, tilted the chairs towards the table so no one would sit there, and placed a folded flag and a respectful note on the table. And regardless of their religious or political stances, Chick-fil-A serves everyone. I've even seen muslims being served.

                          Same thing with Rasing Canes Chicken Fingers. The reason these places are successful is because they don't act like divks.
                          I yell "PIKACHU" before I tase someone.

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