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    You're a veteran officer and an FTO. Because of certain intelligtence, your division has been put on alert - all two man units. You get teamed up with a guy you trained about three years ago. As far as you know, he has been a good cop; no complaints from fellow cops, nothing on the rumor mill.

    He is driving. The two of you hit a drive through and he knows the guy. You get free drinks and half price on your burgers. You offer to pay full price but he growls at you and says just to shut up about it.

    Then, later, you make a traffic stop, and he gets back in the car and clears, offering you a twenty - one of two, he received from the banker he just stopped, for blowing a stop sign. He got paid off.

    Finally, about an hour before end of watch, he stops at his house, comes back out after ten minutes and reeks of booze.

    At the end of the night, your watch commander asks, " How was working with so and so? Did you guys get along okay? Any problems? Anything I need to know about?"

    What SHOULD you say? What WOULD you really do?
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    Ethical violations should be reported but not by me.
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    As an FTO, I should instruct ethics, but not report violations
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  • #2
    I haven't become a full blown officer yet, still have a few months left before that happens. But since this is an open forum, I'll use my right to post here. Personally I would say something about the drinking on the job and about the being paid off for a ticket. I wouldn't bring up the incident at the drive thru. But I'm not even a rookie yet

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    • #3
      The fact that the watch commander asked those particular questions should perk your ears to realize that someone, somewhere in the chain realizes something is not right with that officer.

      As far as the food break, that's petty. Taking money from a citizen and getting drunk? I would have called a supervisor out right there. I don't ride with drunks when off-duty, I'm sure as hell not going to do it on-duty.

      Is there really any question over what the right thing to do is? Geez.

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      • #4
        In the script as you have presented it ... the lad would have to be thrown under the bus.
        Rule #1 - If it doesn't change supper it's not worth the worry.
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        • #5
          A no brainer, this disgrace would surely be looking for a new line of work very soon
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          • #6
            Ah, sounds so much like the questions posed during interviews with F&PC boards. The food? Well, most places would refuse to take your money anyways. Paid off and drinking? Thrown to the wolves. However, what if the test isn't HIM, it's YOU. What if it's a test to see IF you have the right ethics, the choice to do what's right when no one is looking?

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            • #7
              bad cop needs to go bye bye



              dirty cops= I.A. investigations.....



              I.A. can= jail time



              tell the commander what is going on.
              sigpicMy statements do not represent my agency.

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              • #8
                I can deal with a half priced burger and a free coke. happens all the time. Doesnt mean its rght, but I can deal. I am paying full price if i want to pay full price. his grumbling and acting a fool isnt going to change a thing. Even if i have to throw the car in park while its moving and get out and go inside. no body makes me do thing i dont want to do, ever especially a guy i trained.

                After the traffic stop and after the beating that would take place because of the traffic stop we are heading for the station to discuss the matter further with the supervisor. After the second beating, I am taking the rest of the day off regardless. Sick time most likely for the foot i broke beating him into a pulp for risking my career. then theres the days off for kicking his tail. those will be good for the broken foot recooperation. When I get back from the suspension and the sick time for the foot, if he is still there, he wont be for long, unless he likes beatings. my next few would be more covert.

                the drinking thing would have never happend because of the beating.

                Seriously, he needs to go, he didnt just get a wild hair and decide to take some cash or get drunk, he's been doing it for a while.
                It takes a Wolf.......

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                • #9
                  im not a cop yet, but id toss him to the wolves coated in BBQ sauce..


                  POS's like that are the reson they (BI') have to stick a microscope up everyones butt in the hiring process.

                  corruption, giving good cops bad names since the days of Sir Robert Peel.
                  The proper drinking of Scotch whisky is more than indulgence: it is a toast to civilization, a tribute to the continuity of culture, a manifesto of man’s determination to use the resources of nature to refresh mind and body and enjoy to the full the senses with which he has been endowed

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                  • #10
                    Trooper, I'm not an LEO, but ethics is something I live with at work everyday. I work on scenario tests (on computers). I have the answers to these tests. 30% of computer folks who take my tests fail. And I have to report it, that's part of my job. There are times I am the only one between someone's salary increase, or someone getting hired or fired. I mentioned in another thread that a few times a year, some folks offer to treat me out, not because of my charming personality but because they want me to give them some insight/tips/answers to the exams. Yeah right, like I'll throw away all that work for a $20 buffet lunch. I'll pay for my own.

                    If I trained this 3 yr pup, I would've insisted on paying for my meal full price especially with the alert going on. Two pairs of eyes means there is a witness. I can't report on hearsay, but I'm witnessing it so I have no choice. By the $20 stop, I'm going to note for a pattern. Still at this point, I don't know if he's showing off to me or if this is really the way he's become. If he's showing off, I would be ****ed at the arrogance. If this is a pattern, then I'm a witness. Either way, by the end of the night and him reeking, the night commander would have my report.
                    Last edited by JBean; 03-29-2007, 01:08 AM. Reason: I'm my own ethics police. Edited: 11:05 PM.

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                    • #11
                      The third situation is moot because it never would have made past accepting the bribe on the traffic stop.

                      At the drive through I would have paid for my meal and if he didn't like it that would be too bad.

                      When he got back in the car with the bribe from the traffic stop I would have probably thought he was kidding. If he wasn't I would have detained him and the other driver at the scene while calling for the on-call administrator to come to the scene. I'd be just fine with arresting the dirty scumbag and the butt-hole who offered him a bribe.
                      Cogito ergo summopere periculosus.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 1042 Trooper
                        You're a veteran officer and an FTO. Because of certain intelligtence, your division has been put on alert - all two man units. You get teamed up with a guy you trained about three years ago. As far as you know, he has been a good cop; no complaints from fellow cops, nothing on the rumor mill.

                        He is driving. The two of you hit a drive through and he knows the guy. You get free drinks and half price on your burgers. You offer to pay full price but he growls at you and says just to shut up about it.

                        Then, later, you make a traffic stop, and he gets back in the car and clears, offering you a twenty - one of two, he received from the banker he just stopped, for blowing a stop sign. He got paid off.

                        Finally, about an hour before end of watch, he stops at his house, comes back out after ten minutes and reeks of booze.

                        At the end of the night, your watch commander asks, " How was working with so and so? Did you guys get along okay? Any problems? Anything I need to know about?"

                        What SHOULD you say? What WOULD you really do?
                        too easy.

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                        • #13
                          Thing is, if he isn't stopped there, he could end up getting a bad view from the public, making the job more difficult, or worse the next guy he rides with gets killed because of this guys attitude.

                          One day he lifts a candy bar, the next time, he takes two; Then a box than two boxes... and all someone had to do was slap him on the hand.

                          But I remember one of my prep questions for an Oral board from a ride along was "You're with your partner in a store, full code 7, quiet night, partner takes a snickers and doesn't pay for it, you see him do it, what do you do?"

                          I answered: "That I'd probably pay for it for him, then out in the car away from the public, chew off a little piece of his ear about it. Tell him to knock that off, or I'd definitely turn his butt in"

                          I've always been really touchie on the corruption thing, cause I'd like to think all LEO's are good guys at the end of the day; So its tough, and since I'm not in LE yet, I can't gauge it on personal experience.

                          But this dude in the scenario here, he doesn't need to be a police officer.

                          edit: Didn't see the booze, and banker bit originally.

                          Yea he's getting a swift boot.
                          Last edited by Enikad; 03-29-2007, 01:17 AM.
                          The right man in the wrong place, can make all the difference.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ofc129
                            The fact that the watch commander asked those particular questions should perk your ears to realize that someone, somewhere in the chain realizes something is not right with that officer.
                            DING DING DING


                            The reason that you were placed there, and that you have some what of a history.....the fact that you were the one that was his first mentor (for lack of a better word)
                            And he does it wiht you there........knowing you trained him.....big trouble.
                            I train and report what I need to, but not the petty crap. but it all comes out in the wash later.
                            ‘Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.’
                            Oscar Wilde

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                            • #15
                              Trooper...Seems like there's a universal understanding of bad police conduct in this thread. Whether it's you or your partner being tested once the boss asks about your tour you have to give him up for everythinmg, including the didscounted dinner. And from my perspective, I would have gone right to the boss when I got back to the house.

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