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  • Originally posted by Fëanor
    I really am.

    Look at it scientifically, if that helps. Marijuana's high is caused mostly by a compound commonly known as THC. The more THC you put into your system, the higher you will get.

    You don't have to take it from me, there are plenty of others that will tell you: the more pot you smoke, the more stoned you will be.
    my experience with pot tells me that, uh, well you are not being honest.

    as a matter of fact i will come right out and say it, you are intellectually dishonest my man.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_dishonesty

    But why make that supposition? Because you said so?
    the thread is about pot use is it not?
    Last edited by leopold99; 04-09-2007, 02:46 PM.

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    • Originally posted by fair witness
      Bingo! Drug abuse is a symptom. Spiritually grounded people don't tend to get addicted. They may opt to alter their consciousness at very carefully chosen moments, but not in the obsessive kind of way that leads to Stupidity While Intoxicated stuff.
      A saner society would give people less reason to want to escape.
      This is total bull shizholie. Total.

      Yes, you are right ...... it is society's fault that he is a druggie.

      "Symptom." "Victim." "Addiction sickness."

      Whatever. It is weakness. And selfishness. Nothing more.
      "Socrates was a philosopher. He talked a lot. They killed him." unknown to me.

      "Evil prevails when good men do nothing."

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      • Originally posted by fair witness
        yes! to all of that.
        I knew a guy, a sweet, bright, shy man, who was a serious alcoholic for years. I'm talking greet the day with beer for breakfast, with reefer and sometimes coke on the side.
        After knowing him for years, he introduced me to his grandmother and sister. Come to find out, when dude was eleven, he stuck a kitchen knife into a boyfriend of the mom's who'd been raping the sister. Nobody believed the kids and he did time in a juvenile facility, where some other not very nice things happened to him.
        After finally coming out with all this and talking it through, he asked me for a ride to rehab. That was maybe 7-8 years ago now...last i heard he has a job, a car, a life, and a relationship with his family. He even drinks once in a while without going overboard.
        Oh yeah. That is how it ALWAYS happens.
        "Socrates was a philosopher. He talked a lot. They killed him." unknown to me.

        "Evil prevails when good men do nothing."

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        • Originally posted by leopold99
          the thread is about pot use is it not?
          No. The thread was about decriminalizing drugs; it was not about pot use.

          Why should your guidelines for a "national drug" be the qualifications of legality for drugs?

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          • Originally posted by scratch13
            Our society cannot handle porn, for God's sake, how in the world can we handle drugs. Drugs right now that are ILLEGAL are tearing whole communities apart. You think that it is because they are SO hard to get? Oh, the real problem is that they are from "the underworld" and that gets "good people" dirty? Really?
            What do you mean, can't handle porn?

            As for tearing communities apart, who much of that tearing is actually done by the illegality of the drugs.

            As for them being from the underworld causing problems, how can you say it doesn't???

            1) If you get cheated you can't go to the cops or the courts. Thus lots of violence in the drug trade.

            2) They are illegal--you don't know what you are getting. Lots of people are harmed this way.

            3) Since they are illegal you deal with criminals to buy them. This isn't going to cause crime???

            No, drugs WRECK good people and make bad people WORSE. There is nothing good to come from quitting this fight.
            We aren't saying drugs aren't harmful. We are saying that the drug war is *MORE* harmful.

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            • Originally posted by scratch13
              Oh yeah. That is how it ALWAYS happens.
              My, my, what a little ray of sunshine WE are, aren't we? That just happens to be what happened in this instance.

              cst, I agree with ya about puting the rapist in jail would've helped. And that the problems/issues/onion layers reach back generations.

              oh, and another comment for Mistah Scratch cause I just can't help myself. Spiritually grounded people usually DON'T do drugs...nor are they quite so mean as you seem to be.
              have a lovely day, dearie!
              shepherdess extraordinaire

              "Man stands in his own shadow and wonders why it is dark."- Zen proverb

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              • Originally posted by Loren Pechtel
                1) If you get cheated you can't go to the cops or the courts. Thus lots of violence in the drug trade.

                2) They are illegal--you don't know what you are getting. Lots of people are harmed this way.

                3) Since they are illegal you deal with criminals to buy them. This isn't going to cause crime???
                All excellent points that should be taught to children, along with self-esteem, self-worth, and belonging so they don't abuse illegal (and legal) drugs.

                Guess you're not going to provide that source info I asked for... So, I'll just count you among the many people that just talk out of their *** about things they no little about.

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                • Originally posted by Fëanor
                  No. The thread was about decriminalizing drugs; it was not about pot use.
                  they seem to go hand in hand.

                  Why should your guidelines for a "national drug" be the qualifications of legality for drugs?
                  what would your guidelines look like in this case?

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                  • Originally posted by Loren Pechtel
                    We aren't saying drugs aren't harmful. We are saying that the drug war is *MORE* harmful.
                    we? whose we?

                    so, you want to legalize pot? for what reason? to set a precedent perhaps?

                    legalizing pot will get us nowhere as a country.
                    you mentioned reduced crime. do you have any links that support your claim?

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                    • Originally posted by leopold99
                      you mentioned reduced crime. do you have any links that support your claim?
                      There isn't any, and don't bother asking LP for source info, you'll just be disappointed.

                      The limited studies that are out there show a reduction in crime committed by those who stay in the programs. However, less than 50% of the participants actually stay in the programs. Remember these are the type of people that do well with rules. There are reasons, they are drug addicts in the first place.

                      For the other 50% who dropout of the programs, they return to crime, have a higher suicide/mortality/HIV rates. But hey, the war on drugs is worse, just don't ask them to prove it.

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                      • Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

                        It's not society's job to manage every tiny facet of our lives. "The land of the free" is becoming a joke.

                        The government will let me commit slow suicide with any numer of things such as fatty foods, sugar, cigs, booze, prescription meds, etc... Society will even let me commit stupid acts that may lead to a quick death through irresponsible behavior such as motocross racing, boat racing, sky diving, hand feeding sharks, etc... (Those are just examples, please don't bother defending your chosen activity.)

                        I understand that society has to draw a line somewhere. That line, IMO should be drawn where there is strong evidence that the general populace can't handle this-or-that. For example, there's strong evidence that says too many people die if we made the speed limit 120 mph. There's strong evidence that says meth kills. There is no such strong evidence relating to marijuana. I personally believe that many of the folks in the decriminalization crowd make a good argument. IMO, weed should have been legalized, manufatured and taxed a long time ago. Playboy wrote about it back in the 70's and it was discussed as a viable idea. Just think... $5 for a pack of two doobies (Yes, I said "doobies". I AM that old.) and of that $5 about $4.75 would be tax dollars.

                        Wanna become an apathetic, twinkie eating, soda swilling, wastoid? Not my biz unless you're my kid. Just do it at home or when you won't be operating machinery and make sure you feed and clothe your rugrats. Wanna be a responsible citizen who smokes one or two joints on the weekend while you and your lady-love (or other SO) snuggle between the sheets? Go for it! Again, it ain't my biz.

                        OTOH... highly addictive drugs that have a tendancy toward triggering antisocial behaviors and that can cause death by overdose (I include alcohol here) should, IMO, be outlawed or taxed into oblivion.

                        I smoked plenty of pot in high schol and college. It was the 70's. We all did it. I also bartended and drank waaaaaay too much for a few years. Eventually I got married and had a couple of kids. When my first child was born I started shifting toward a higher level of personal responsibility. Today I'm a 20+ year LEO vet who barely drinks enough to drown a mouse. A six pack lasts about two weeks IF I bother to buy one. Most months I don't bother. The bottle of single malt scotch that's in my cabinet right now has been there for almost three years and it's still half full. I don't remember the last time I drank enough to get a hangover. Not bad for a former bartender who anyone would have said was an alcoholic when I was twenty. Oh yea... and for the record... I've smoked three joints since I took my first job as a LEO. One was when I got out of the Army. I was unemployed. The other two were while I was working undercover and it was reasonable and prudent for me not to try to simulate usage as there were several people watching to see what I would do. After none of those three events did I feel any desire or craving for another toke. I didn't go out and commit rape, incest, robbery, murder, or any other heinous crime. The two I smoked while working were actually kinda fun cuz I knew I couldn't get in trouble. The one I smoked after getting out of the Army made me paranoid cuz I knew that if I got caught I'd have to go sell insurance or used cars.

                        These days there seem to be a lot of younger cops who grew up listening to marijuana being included in the "War on Drugs" (another government farce) and who have swallowed the whole thing, hook, line and sinker. "Gateway drug" my fuzzy behind. Ask any kid which they did first... booze cigs or pot. I assure you that 90% of them used cigs or booze first. Which one is the "gateway drug"?

                        I have no solutions... just observations and personal experiences that for some strange reason I felt compelled to share. I don't expect to change anyone's mind but maybe.... just maybe some young cop will start thinking for himself and try to look at the big picture instead of swallowing every ounce of tripe that Uncle Sham tries to slip down our throats.

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                        • camo cop,
                          do we need to be a nation of drug users?
                          with that question wieghing heavy on your mind answer this: what nasty side effects does marijuana have to prevent rampant, widespread use?

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                          • Originally posted by leopold99
                            camo cop,
                            do we need to be a nation of drug users?
                            with that question wieghing heavy on your mind answer this: what nasty side effects does marijuana have to prevent rampant, widespread use?

                            No we don't "need" to be a nation of drug users but we already are and probably always will be. Every society known to man has some form of socially (if not legally) acceptable mind altering substance. Evidently the human animal prefers to catch a buzz every once in a while. Kinda the same way some cats go crazy over catnip and the way giraffs and monkeys eat fermented fruit that makes them drunk as a skunk. (Ever seen film of a drunk giraffe? It's HILARIOUS!!!)

                            Nasty side effects of marijuana? I don't know of any except that with daily use the user often becomes apathetic and unproductive. "It's cool, I deal with it later" seems to be their mantra. I've never heard of an overdose on marijuana. You'd fall asleep before you smoked enough to harm yourself. I've read that if the average person ate something like two pounds of it they could overdose but who the heck would eat two pounds of dry leafy vegetative material???

                            I've never seen a family destroyed by marijuana use. I've seen hundreds or thousands of familes destroyed by alcohol abuse and abuse of other drugs. If Mommy and Daddy have a fetish for marijuana there WILL be groceries in the house for the kids to eat.

                            Is it smart to smoke it often? Nope. Is it harmful to smoke it every once in a while? Nope. Do I want my teenager to use it? Nope. Do I care if my college student smokes one or two on the weekend? Nope, as long as they don't get caught cuz I'd hate for them to have an arrest on their record for something as silly as a joint. OTOH I'd slam the checkbook closed in an instant if they were caught doing cocaine, meth, heroin, etc...

                            Me? I barely take an Asprin for a headache.

                            The first marijuana laws passed in the U.S. were along our southern borders. State legislators fought for it because "after just one puff them Mexicans go crazy". States in the northeast followed suit and passed anti-pot laws as a proactive measure fearing that one day their "Mexicans" would go crazy too. Prohibition of marijuana was all started by undereducated, racist, rednecks.

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                            • so in effect you are saying that LAWS are the only nasty side effect of marijuana use?

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                              • Originally posted by leopold99
                                camo cop,
                                do we need to be a nation of drug users?
                                with that question wieghing heavy on your mind answer this: what nasty side effects does marijuana have to prevent rampant, widespread use?
                                Many former users can attest to the lack of productiveness, clear thinking and emotional blunting caused by MJ use. Its not harmless, but adults should have that choice without risking a criminal record.

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