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    sorry if this has been posted, i thought it had and searched briefly but didn't get any results. anyways, what are your thoughts on music downloading (yes, i mean illegal.) for the simple fact that it is illegal make you dislike it, or do you find it minor enough that you don't really care. i'll admit to using LimeWire a good bit, and have never really thought there was anything wrong with taking $0.99 from a millionaire music artist. thoughts?

  • #2
    Well it is illegal.

    That said, I don't think commercialization is good for art in music. If it weren't for music's over-commercialization, we wouldn't have Britney Spears, NSync, or any other crappy, carefully-managed junk that passes for music these days.

    Our current state of over-commercialization has destroyed the artistry in music. I can't think of any band that has come out in the past ten years that I really like. I'm sure there are those on here what will take that statement back several decades.

    I mean, what happened to artists like Eric Clapton, who write and perform their own songs? Or other artists who can actually *gasp * play an instrument, and play it well? Or anybody who can play music, rather than thow a keyboard down some stairs while recording the sounds it makes, then take it back to the sound lab and make it sound good.

    But alas, copying copyrighted music is illegal. On the other hand, I don't think the State of Michigan has a law against it. Rather, it's Federal law. Therefore, I don't care a bit.
    Last edited by Sabre; 02-28-2007, 05:07 PM.

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    • #3
      Its not worth the computer problems that come along with file sharing.

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      • #4
        Keep in mind that according to the definition via federal statute, you are breaking the law by downloading music.

        In what it costs these days to make a music CD, which is basically pennies on the dollar, I am for downloading music/movies. The RIAA would have you believe that piracy is to blame for them being poor. Yet when Napster was at its height, the music labels were recording profits in the billions. Oddly enough, they were still crying poor.

        They would give out these statistics that made no sense at all. Than they would go into congress and cry poor again and in a nutshell have them enact laws that made no practical sense, even to this day. I have not bought a CD since about 1998 and until the prices actually start to make sense, I'll either download a tune or two or simply just won't even bother. A prime example of RIAA greed are the frivolous lawsuits against old ladies or people who never touched LimeWire or Napster in their lives.

        Lastly, if anyone here thinks downloading music actually a crime, they have their heads screwed on wrong. Music is art and art is for everyone, not just for corporate moguls.

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        • #5
          It takes me too many hands to count this one.

          On one hand, I hold the belief that if you release music to the public, you are releasing it to the public; not just the public that gives you profit.

          On the other hand, making music does take a lot of time and writer's block can be a MAJOR pain in the butt. It's their job, they do need a way to live (aka $$$). Also I am sure that everyone involved rips off the artist charging ridiculous amounts of money for whatever service they provide. These include:
          The "agent" aka the secretary; they make phone calls, set up appointments, etc.
          The "recording studio" aka the overpriced microphones + small room.
          The "record label"...I don't know what they do other than label the CD with their logo...

          On the third hand growing out of my butt, it doesn't cost $10-$20 to put an hour of music on a CD. Everyone overcharges SEVERELY to fill their bank accounts. This is incentive for normal people to find a free way to get what they want.

          On the fourth hand that comes out of my head, there are probably plenty of artists who lost their life savings producing CD's that never sold.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sabre
            Well it is illegal.
            Not in Canada it isn't. It's only illegal to share music files here. We pay a tariff when we purchase blank CD's that goes to something.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Slowing-Dee
              Not in Canada it isn't. It's only illegal to share music files here. We pay a tariff when we purchase blank CD's that goes to something.
              I would say it is time for "Oh Canada" to start making their own CDRWs. You know they're ripping you guys off, right?!?!

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              • #8
                . . .and by the way. . .coming to an ISP near you:

                New RIAA tactics. . .

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Slowing-Dee
                  Not in Canada it isn't. It's only illegal to share music files here. We pay a tariff when we purchase blank CD's that goes to something.
                  I believe we also pay that tax on blank media here in the states too. It's on CD-R, CD-RW, as well as recordable DVDs. You never see it, because they add it into the cost of the media.

                  Music downloading isn't technically illegal, it's the distibution that gets you. But with most services (like Bit-Torrent) you are uploading as you download.

                  I don't know of any state laws dealing with this, the DMCA is a federal policy, so it's the feds that would deal with this. But it's still illegal. Once I became a cop I stopped doing it. I can pay a buck if I really want a song, and it won't damage my integrity.

                  - Jon
                  They [the bad guys] don't care about hurting people and sometimes, when you are the bad guy, your door gets knocked in and warrants get served.

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                  • #10

                    A great way to avoid this mess is to subscribe legally to the 'new' Napster ( http://www.napster.com ). I pay $10.00 a month and can listen to darn near anything I want whenever I am on-line. It is like having an unlimited jukebox of music in digital sound with no commercials or annoying DJs.


                    The disadvantage is that you cannot burn anything from Napster to a CD without paying a ridiculous 99 cents per track! However, I already have so many CDs that I never have trouble finding something to listen to in my car; so this is not really an issue for me. (If I want something badly enough, I can either buy it or download it from another site.)

                    While some look at downloading a song as 'stealing', I can't help but say that the record companies have only themselves to blame for it. Charging $18 to $20 for a CD that costs less than two bucks (including royalties) to make is only going to encourage piracy. Besides, who is dumb enough to pay that much for a CD that has only one or two good songs on it? Maybe this is why I have so many "Greatest Hits" or "Awesome '80s" discs in my collection.

                    They had an opportunity several years ago to go to a 'subscriber' set-up (similar to Napster that I have) where people could pay a small per-track fee or a set charge for unlimited downloads, but corporate greed got in the way and Internet-savvy college kids found ways to bootleg the stuff anyway. The RIAA wrongly assumed that all of nothing was better than part of something. Asshats!


                    Times have changed a lot and many artists earn more from other means (concerts, promotions, merchandise, etc.) than ever before. Even with reduced CD sales, these chaps are hardly ready to take a vow of poverty. The record industry also inflates their "loss" figures by assuming that every single person who downloads any track would have purchased it at the record store anyway. Jeez....talk about Voodoo Economics!

                    They cried about people buying blank cassette tapes 20+ years ago, whined about DAT (and thus killed it off entirely) and people swapping albums to make their own tapes. Of course, the movie theater industry did the same thing when Blockbuster began renting films and people could copy one tape to another with a VCR, yet the industry still thrives and makes handsome profits on video rentals. It appears as though there are still plenty of suckers are more than willing to fork over $9 for a lousy movie where they make you sit through commercials and charge five bucks for popcorn that costs them about a quarter.

                    Maybe I am just old and tired of it, but I say the heck with them. Most of the music I like is 'old', 'classic' or is very hard to find anyway. I have not bought a CD of anything new in quite a long time. Britney Spears or Gwen Stefani can't hold a candle to Rita Coolidge, Patty Loveless, Pat Benatar or even Linda Ronstadt when it comes to musical talent.

                    The comments above reflect my personal opinion as a private citizen, ordinary motorist and all-around good guy.

                    The aforementioned advice should not be construed to represent any type of professional opinion, legal counsel or other type of instruction with regard to traffic laws, judicial proceedings or official agency policy.

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                    • #11
                      free, and legal, music and movie downloads
                      http://www.archive.org/index.php
                      requires fast connection.
                      i have downloaded and recorded well over 300 cd-r's from the above site.
                      not the most recent but still good.

                      edit:
                      you can check your connection speed here:
                      http://www.testmy.net/d_load.php
                      my stats
                      download:
                      Your connection is: 2741 Kbps or 2.7 Mbps
                      You downloaded at: 335 kB/s
                      You are running: 48 times faster than 56K and can download 1 megabyte in 3.06 second(s)

                      upload:
                      Your connection is: 648 Kbps or 0.6 Mbps
                      You uploaded at: 79 kB/s
                      You are running: 11 times faster than 56K and can upload 1 megabyte in 12.96 second(s)
                      Last edited by leopold99; 02-28-2007, 08:28 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by centralTMC
                        sorry if this has been posted, i thought it had and searched briefly but didn't get any results. anyways, what are your thoughts on music downloading (yes, i mean illegal.) for the simple fact that it is illegal make you dislike it, or do you find it minor enough that you don't really care. i'll admit to using LimeWire a good bit, and have never really thought there was anything wrong with taking $0.99 from a millionaire music artist. thoughts?
                        The chances that you will get caught and penalized are very small. But, if you were to win the lottery, so to speak, you could be both prosecuted criminally and sued civilly, incurring a debt of thousands of dollars. The relative wealth between you and your "victim" is irrelevant in the law.
                        Tim Dees, now writing as a plain old forum member, his superpowers lost to an encounter with gold kryptonite.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Slowing-Dee
                          Not in Canada it isn't. It's only illegal to share music files here. We pay a tariff when we purchase blank CD's that goes to something.
                          Technically, it's not strictly illegal in the U.S. either. Yes, a downloader/uploader can be open to civil suits by the RIAA, but if someone can point out a federal criminal statute that downloading violates, then I'm all ears....
                          "First of all, then we have to say the American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when they elected President Obama." - Al Sharpton, March 21, 2010

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                          • #14
                            I use www.bearshare.com. Not the best quality, but they say its legal. I dont argue w/ em. I have over 500 songs...all free. No problem burning to a CD. If its illegal, shhhh dont tell anyone. Thanx.
                            Gonna catch em riden dirty

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Raiden
                              Lastly, if anyone here thinks downloading music actually a crime, they have their heads screwed on wrong. Music is art and art is for everyone, not just for corporate moguls.
                              Well then my head must be screwed on wrong. What's the difference in not paying for a .99 music track and a .99 candybar from a local gas station? They're both a crime. Think about that when you take your next polygraph for a LE job, "Have you ever taken anything that wasn't yours?" Hmmmmmm, I pirated some music off of the Internet. Sounds harmless, but nonetheless, it's still a crime.
                              Why are there so many babies on O.com? Creole, you and your buddy JPSO Recruit help me out on this one....

                              * "Preach always, if necessary, use words!" St Francis of Assisi

                              * Luke Chapter 6, Verses 27-36

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