Question about fighting back

[Royal Dragon]

Hello all,
I was wondering, I have heard many things about fighting back when attacked. Some say if you do your going to be more hurt, and others say your only chance for survival is to fight back with all you have.

Lets take a standard Rape/robbery situation. As profesional Law enforcment agents, what would you recomend doing?? Lay down, or should the girl fight back with all she has and try to run away??

Oh, one more thing, WHY??

[ 08-19-2002, 02:59 PM: Message edited by: Royal Dragon ]

[shorty]

You know, I would personally fight back if it was something like rape. As far as some scum bag wanting my purse, I would just let him have it, hell there's never anything in it anyway. My gun is always on me, never in my purse for such reasons. I don't think it would be appropriate to shoot someone over a few dollars so he can have it. Rape on the other hand, I would definately shoot him.

You know one thing (as a defense) that they taught us in college, is if a woman is about to get raped for her to scream "I have AIDS". According to the professor, it has worked in many situations, hopefully I'll never have to find out.

[ghost]

Some [email protected]#$^! tried to grab me when I was walking one night and I just slammed him across the face. (I broke my pinkie!!) When he got up to walk away, and just started yelling in his face and chased after him. Probably not the best idea in all circumstances, but I was sooooo ****ed. And it worked like a charm- He ended up running away. I think I scared the bejesus out of him.
Nevermind how bad I was shaking.

[Bill R]

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Lets take a standard Rape/robbery situation.

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Is there such a thing? There are so many variables. I'm not a LEO but fighting with everything against rape would make sense. Rape is a very violent crime, if the BG will do that, he may very well kill. IF the BG tries to take a person to another location, the victime should absolutely unload with evrything they have. A "simple" robbery is more questionable. More judgement would be required to guess whether the robber just wants money or not. Also, what weapons do the victim and robber have?

[Pigskin]

In a rape situation, our department "suggests" active resistance with the goal of fleeing. We teach a self-defense course that shows how to break holds so that a woman can break free & run for help. Screaming & yelling is part of the defense as is more physical fighting in some situations. There are also methods of passive resistance. We tell the women that they should decide how they are going to handle the situation before it happens, practice your defenses, & stick to your game plan if it should happen. Some women just are not fighters & would probably wind up getting hurt worse if they tried to fight but it is a personal decision that they have to make.

Our Robbery Survival course promotes compliance with the robber in the hopes that the robbery is over with quickly & no one is hurt in the process. However, we also add that your chances of survival decrease drastically if you are forced to go with the robber so you have to make a decision as to what to do & when.

But as in all classes we teach, we give no guarantees that any situation will have a successful outcome.

[Royal Dragon]

So you base it on escalation then??

[Watchman]

If somebody wants to fight you only have to rememeber a few things...

Fight like hell...
CHEAT
WIN

no problem

[SpecOpsWarrior]

I have never really liked that whole pacifist line of thinking. "Just lay there and you wont get killed". Yeah right, try telling that to some of PeeWee Gaskins victims, oh wait, there all dead! If there is anybody out there who can back up this theory with stats, please come forward, I would love to see them.

I have taught my wife to defend herself. She knows how to use an elbow, a palm heel, the blade of her hand, her forehead, her knee, and she knows where to strike. If all that fails, she knows how to gouge eyes, bite a nose, squeeze testicles, bite it off, rip hair out, urinate, and deficate if that will help her escape and evade!

As for robbery, to commit armed robbery, a person must be armed. If a person brandishes a weapon, and demands my valueables, they have expressed an intention to do bodily harm to me. If I am armed, I will shoot them, repeatedly, until the threat has been terminated. If I am unarmed, I will comply until I am within striking distance. Then I will do my best to kill them as quickly and violently as possible.

[Watchman]

Now Specops...

You know that aint politically correct !

You're suppose to lay down and play dead while dialing 911.

Leave the fighting to the police. Citizens are suppose to be...umm...well..you know, PEACEABLE.
The thought of resistance upsets the sheeple.

Shame,shame...

[jellybean40]

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Originally posted by SpecOpsWarrior:

I have taught my wife to defend herself. She knows how to use an elbow, a palm heel, the blade of her hand, her forehead, her knee, and she knows where to strike. If all that fails, she knows how to gouge eyes, bite a nose, squeeze testicles, bite it off, rip hair out, urinate, and deficate if that will help her escape and evade!

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I agree that those can all save your life in some situations. but most people, when the blade of a knife is against their throat, or a gun pushed against their head, are afraid to breathe, let alone attack someone back. we all dont know how we'd react until faced with it.

i have heard before not to struggle with rapists, because they like that. the only thing is, i dont think laying still is gonna make them stop! i also heard you're supposed to vomit on them. but if they have a weapon, i think most people will be afraid to do even that.

i saw a guy on TV who teaches self-defense...he made a good point... try to never let yourself get taken into someones car, even if they have a gun. he said its better to risk your life and run or fight, than get put into the car and most likely get killed and suffer worse before it! but again, i dont think we know how we'd react with a gun to our head.

[Royal Dragon]

If i'm ever held at gun point, I hope it's at close range. There I can do something. But if the gun is anymore than arms length I'll get killed.

My girlfreind and I have been practicing some gun defenses. She has a VERY realistic looking,and weighted Colt .45 that shoots little plastic yellow BBs. If you don't load it, you get popped with a blast of air.

Up close I'm always ok, but if I try any sort of gun defence at more than an arms length, I get shot about 50% of the time, and if it's farther, I get shot over 90% of the time.

[Fastie]

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Originally posted by SpecOpsWarrior:
If I am unarmed, I will comply until I am within striking distance. Then I will do my best to kill them as quickly and violently as possible.

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I love it!!! especially the violently part... LMAO ... but you make a good point...if I'm ever in need of help, I hope someone who thinks like you do is around to help me...

[p01ic3m4n]

avenue of escape. when that no longer exists...it's time to get medieval.

[Royal Dragon]

bump

[rugbyman]

When all is said and done team, you do what you have to do to win.
Just like Rugby