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    The logical thing to do would be to know all the closing times at all of the local bars within your town and then watch as the drunken idiots stumble to their vehicle, then catch then down the road. I have seen this happen before. But lately, unfortunately, at all the places around this town and others, I see nobody being followed. Obviously its bad for business if the bar gets known as a hot spot for police activity and then the bar owner goes complaining to the chief for the bad business but its still illegal. Not to meantion, a law should be passed punishing the valet driver when he gets the car and hands the keys over to an obviously intoxicated driver. And before all of you start questioning "oh yeah...well...well...how do you know theyre not being pulled over? huh?"....the answer is, I know the bar owners, I know the police officers, I know the arrests made for that night. All im saying is, you could be adding a couple thousand dollars to your department nightly were there to be strict enforcement and obvious police presence. I do have to give it up for the officers with 100+ DUI arrests per year. Like Chicago Police Officer John Haleas who in 2005 made 374 DUI arrests and IL State Trooper Gregory T. Hart who in 2005 alone made 217 DUI arrests. Keep up the excellent work.
    "If guns are outlawed...then only outlaws will have guns!"

  • #2
    Most people know that in housotn the closing time is usally 2 am to 3 am.
    we have something called "the richmond strip". the street richmond, (DOH) has many many many bars, clubs and the like on it. All the cops have to do is drive up and down that street many times dring the shift and there is really no shortage of drunks there. its the entire block area, (with in the four streets) and what not for them to catch drunks.

    The system really has been very nice to drunk drives whom are lucky enough to not kill or mame someone on their first or second offense.

    Illegal nothing. fair game is fair game. Its just PI instead of DWI if they are walking to the car.
    ‘Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.’
    Oscar Wilde

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    • #3
      well thats good, at least something working to the officers advantage and against the criminals is the updated cost of getting a DUI, with court costs and insurance premiums in the end its something usually between $5,000-$15,000 Dollars...I love that
      "If guns are outlawed...then only outlaws will have guns!"

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      • #4
        In texas, they now include fees that help offset medical cost, they have to pay to hve their DL reinstated and probation, court and the like fees.

        first offense is 1000. re instate
        second 2500 to reinstate
        third is 5000, and then you add on the probation cost, time off work and what not to do community sevice, courts and all, the drunk loses big time

        and thers always the droping of the insurance that is wonder, as you said. I had a client that was denied his insurance to cover his wreck. There was a claus that he ethier didnt read, or didnt know about.

        "insurance is null and void if you are impaired, you are driving in a reckless manner (not speeding) and/ or you have a medical condition that you are being treated for and you are not taking your medication.(such as seizars or diabetes).

        He had a really really good insuarance brand that had that claus. it was a national name.....
        thus, the car repairs he is being sued for now.....
        ‘Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.’
        Oscar Wilde

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        • #5
          Badge..once again you have not researched before starting a thread. There are Laws and Several Case Laws where a LEO can not "sit on a bar"...meaning they can not pull everyone over when pulling out of a bar at closing time. Hect I don't even drink, but go to bars to either shoot pool, listen to a good band, but when it's 2am I should get pulled over?

          Badge, I hate to seem like I am harsh on you, but you have to realize that thier are not enough LE out there to catch every drunk. Yes it would be nice if there were, such as if there enough to catch the rapists, drug dealers, etc...bottom line is, Agencies do not have enough resources to catch all the drunks. Now most states if not all of them are moving to the .08 law, which is a thumbs up for LE and easier to make a DUI case, however those Officers you mentioned, they may have gotten 317 DUI's in one year, but how many convictions were there? Probably 50% if not less, so then those 50% who got off are going to be caught a second/third time, etc...

          I don't know what part of the country you reside in, but most departments have some sort of DUI Enforcement, etc. But...when it's a small town with only a handful of cops, do they need a DUI or to answer calls that night? Thats a sensitive subject in itself.

          Don't base all of your opinions on LE from where you live, since you mention all the time what you think of the Cops there.

          If you are wanting to get more invloved, do so. It won't harm you and it may do you and some other people some good. Just food for thought.
          Last edited by irishlad2nv; 08-27-2006, 09:33 PM.
          "An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by badge1024
            The logical thing to do would be to know all the closing times at all of the local bars within your town and then watch as the drunken idiots stumble to their vehicle, then catch then down the road. I have seen this happen before. But lately, unfortunately, at all the places around this town and others, I see nobody being followed. Obviously its bad for business if the bar gets known as a hot spot for police activity and then the bar owner goes complaining to the chief for the bad business but its still illegal. Not to meantion, a law should be passed punishing the valet driver when he gets the car and hands the keys over to an obviously intoxicated driver. And before all of you start questioning "oh yeah...well...well...how do you know theyre not being pulled over? huh?"....the answer is, I know the bar owners, I know the police officers, I know the arrests made for that night. All im saying is, you could be adding a couple thousand dollars to your department nightly were there to be strict enforcement and obvious police presence. I do have to give it up for the officers with 100+ DUI arrests per year. Like Chicago Police Officer John Haleas who in 2005 made 374 DUI arrests and IL State Trooper Gregory T. Hart who in 2005 alone made 217 DUI arrests. Keep up the excellent work.
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            • #7
              Irishlad's correct in all regards, here.

              Firstly, let's clarify something...are you advocating that officers permit a visibly intoxicated person to get into a motor vehicle and drive away, just so they can arrest that person for OVI? And what, may I ask, would be your opinion if that intoxicated driver were to kill someone in a crash before the officer could make the traffic stop? Woudln't the officer be at fault for not trying to stop the person from driving in the first place? Wouldn't it be more in-line with the duties of law enforcement to PREVENT the person from driving in the first place, even if it meant that there wouldn't be an arrest?

              Secondly, quite frankly, there aren't enough police officers to catch every OVI, let alone stop every car that pulls out of a bar parking lot. Besides, no matter where that vehicle is coming from, we still need a valid, legal reson to stop the vehicle.

              Thirdly, there are other duties that take priority over arresting OVI's. Calls for service, which tend to be more frequent on the weekends (when OVI's are also more common), take priority over chasing drunks. It's not that we wouldn't like to catch all the drunks out there, but there are only so many officers with so much time.

              You're making assumptions...namely that it's "bad for business" for bars to have police officers arresting OVI's from their parking lots and, as such, there is some kind of "arrangement" between law enforcement and the bars to prevent this...that simply are not accurate. Think things through (or, even better, ASK A QUESTION first) instead of making unsupported accusations and assumptions.
              "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
              -Friedrich Nietzsche

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              • #8
                Originally posted by badge1024
                The logical thing to do would be to know all the closing times at all of the local bars within your town and then watch as the drunken idiots stumble to their vehicle, then catch then down the road. I have seen this happen before. But lately, unfortunately, at all the places around this town and others, I see nobody being followed. Obviously its bad for business if the bar gets known as a hot spot for police activity and then the bar owner goes complaining to the chief for the bad business but its still illegal. Not to meantion, a law should be passed punishing the valet driver when he gets the car and hands the keys over to an obviously intoxicated driver. And before all of you start questioning "oh yeah...well...well...how do you know theyre not being pulled over? huh?"....the answer is, I know the bar owners, I know the police officers, I know the arrests made for that night. All im saying is, you could be adding a couple thousand dollars to your department nightly were there to be strict enforcement and obvious police presence. I do have to give it up for the officers with 100+ DUI arrests per year. Like Chicago Police Officer John Haleas who in 2005 made 374 DUI arrests and IL State Trooper Gregory T. Hart who in 2005 alone made 217 DUI arrests. Keep up the excellent work.
                Oh hell
                Future Farva

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by badge1024's sig
                  ALL people involved in federal, state, local, and county police, university police, jail guards, prison guards, community service officers, "meter maids", bodyguards, loss prevention officers, forensics, armored car drivers, crossing guards, private detectives..etc..they're involved in protection of the laws, the public, and of assets. They're pretty much on the same side and pretty much all trying to do good. Don't use the "us versus them" mentality when they're on the same side as you.
                  Oh hell
                  Future Farva

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                  • #10
                    Not mean't to be joking as DUI is a very serious subject that kills many people, but I heard a joke not long ago on the subject of cops watching drunks... here goes:

                    So two cops are sitting outside the local bar ready to bust a few drunk drivers on their ways home after bar close. At 3am, the bar closes shop and out walk a few guys. The others seem fine, but one is stumbling everywhere. He keeps dropping his keys on the ground, burping, and falling over.
                    The other guys take off as the two cops have their drunk for the night. The drunk gets in his car, and drives off. Shortly down the road, the cops pull out the suspected drunk, who is now very well articulated and not even stumbling. The two cops pull out the PBT...
                    The drunk blows a .000. The officers are amazed "You're not drunk?" they ask.
                    "No", he answers,"I'm the Designated Decoy."
                    "I would suggest that when a person has a thought of doing anything serious against the law, that before they did, that they should go to a quiet place and think about it seriously."

                    William George Bonin - Executed in Calfornia Feb 23rd 1996

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Stop Resisting
                      Not mean't to be joking as DUI is a very serious subject that kills many people, but I heard a joke not long ago on the subject of cops watching drunks... here goes:

                      So two cops are sitting outside the local bar ready to bust a few drunk drivers on their ways home after bar close. At 3am, the bar closes shop and out walk a few guys. The others seem fine, but one is stumbling everywhere. He keeps dropping his keys on the ground, burping, and falling over.
                      The other guys take off as the two cops have their drunk for the night. The drunk gets in his car, and drives off. Shortly down the road, the cops pull out the suspected drunk, who is now very well articulated and not even stumbling. The two cops pull out the PBT...
                      The drunk blows a .000. The officers are amazed "You're not drunk?" they ask.
                      "No", he answers,"I'm the Designated Decoy."
                      That's actually not a joke, we had a discussion about that about a week ago, it actually happens.
                      Future Farva

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                      • #12
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                        • #13
                          lol BING...you're hilarious, let me try and break this down for you, in no way was I advocating that officers allow people to break the law just so that they can get a conviction down the line. OBVIOUSLY, the officer is there to PREVENT the drunk driver from killing someone BY PULLING THEM OVER AND ARRESTING THEM!...and to the rest of you who responded....I know that calls are just backlogged like crazy at 3am and you're running your butt off....(no, actually at 3am its dead and there is mostly just DUI enforcement and speeding tickets )....so yes....there ARE officers and there IS "spare" time to have at least one officer work the outside of a bar in his squad car for a little bit watching out for fighting and drunk drivers...etc...and I'm sure that 50% of the 374 DUI arrests were thrown out....are you kidding me? not sure what your stats are buddy.
                          "If guns are outlawed...then only outlaws will have guns!"

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                          • #14
                            There's some law here (or at least there was in Phoenix) that it wasw actually entrapment for police to sit outside and wait for drunks to get in their cars before stopping and arresting them.

                            I'm not a guru of legalese, so I have no idea where to find this law, but I believe that was the basic gist of it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MesaHopeful
                              There's some law here (or at least there was in Phoenix) that it wasw actually entrapment for police to sit outside and wait for drunks to get in their cars before stopping and arresting them.
                              "entrapment" is probably the most mis-used, over-used, and least understood word in the legal arena of the USofA.


                              Plagiarized from sopmwhere on the web...

                              Entrapment consists of two elements as follows:

                              1. State action that induced the defendant to commit the crime; AND

                              2. A lack of predisposition on the part of the defendant to commit the crime.

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