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  • "What would you do" question for the Cops - from a non-leo point of view...

    I thought I'd try my hand at posting a brain teaser as Trooper and Sheriff have done so.

    But...this one is for the Cops...to answer as if they were a citizen, not a LEO...



    You are citizen living in an area which does not issue carry permits, yet for your own safety, because its a dangerous world and because of the 18 murders THIS MONTH in town, you have decided to start carrying a S&W 640 hammerless J-frame in .357 Magnum (Legaly purchaced, illegaly carried).

    Assume for this excercise that you have excelent carry gear, and unless you were frisked, went through a metal detector, or its found in a car crash, their is NO danger of the cop seeing the gun on you in this situation. You can walk right by him, and he wouldn't even notice.

    While coming home from work one night, you stop off for beer and chetos, and a guy wearing a local PD's sweatshirt walks into the store for the same. He is not armed visibly, as he is wearing only workout sorts and the t-shirt. Maybe he has a .32 or a .380...but maybe not.

    You nod hello to him as you are a polite guy, he nods back and you both go about your buisness of selecting beer, fried pork products and pornographic magazines.

    2 more people come in, and they imediately split up. These guys are wearing bulky clothing and while they entered the store togther, #1 goes to the back of the store, looking around nervously, and the other approaches the cash register.

    They have looked at you, but you look harmless. You don't look rich or poor, weak or dangerous...so they don't pay you that much mind...but they are eyefuc-ing the guy in the PD shirt something H-A-R-D...and he just perked up and noticed. (He was tired, working a triple shift and was going home to crash)

    You can slip out the back way, and nobody would be in position to stop you...but in doing that, you know the guy in the PD shirt is dead...but if you stay and help him, your *** WILL go to prison, because the local DA has said repeatedly that "Nobody will be allowed to carry a gun on these streets...nobody at all..."

    Ok, yes...you shouldn't be carrying a gun...but better tried by 12 than carried by 6...and besides, 18 murders in town this month...its a dangerous world and the police aren't always around to protect you...

    You have 2 seconds to make up your mind as to what you are going to do...You can nail both of them, as the store is small enough that you can make those head shots no sweat, but if you do, life as you know it will be over...and if you don't, then you know you just let another man get killed...

    The shoot out is going to go down...people are going to die...

    Will the shootout be with you, or without you?
    Last edited by Mitchell_in_CT; 05-16-2006, 07:13 PM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Mitchell_in_CT
    I thought I'd try my hand at posting a brain teaser as Trooper and Sheriff have done so.

    But...this one is for the Cops...to answer as if they were a citizen, not a LEO...



    You are citizen living in an area which does not issue carry permits, yet for your own safety, because its a dangerous world and because of the 18 murders THIS MONTH in town, you have decided to start carrying a S&W 640 hammerless J-frame in .357 Magnum (Legaly purchaced, illegaly carried).

    While coming home from work one night, you stop off for beer and chetos, and a guy wearing a local PD's sweatshirt walks into the store for the same. He is not armed visibly, as he is wearing only workout sorts and the t-shirt. Maybe he has a .32 or a .380...but maybe not.

    You nod hello to him as you are a polite guy, he nods back and you both go about your buisness of selecting beer, fried pork products and pornographic magazines.

    2 more people come in, and they imediately split up. These guys are wearing bulky clothing and while they entered the store togther, #1 goes to the back of the store, looking around nervously, and the other approaches the cash register.

    They have looked at you, but you look harmless. You don't look rich or poor, weak or dangerous...so they don't pay you that much mind...but they are eyefuc-ing the guy in the PD shirt something H-A-R-D...and he just perked up and noticed. (He was tired, working a triple shift and was going home to crash)

    You can slip out the back way, and nobody would be in position to stop you...but in doing that, you know the guy in the PD shirt is dead...but if you stay and help him, your *** WILL go to prison, because the local DA has said repeatedly that "Nobody will be allowed to carry a gun on these streets...nobody at all..."

    Ok, yes...you shouldn't be carrying a gun...but better tried by 12 than carried by 6...and besides, 18 murders in town this month...its a dangerous world and the police aren't always around to protect you...

    You have 2 seconds to make up your mind as to what you are going to do...You can nail both of them, as the store is small enough that you can make those head shots no sweat, but if you do, life as you know it will be over...and if you don't, then you know you just let another man get killed...

    The shoot out is going to go down...people are going to die...

    Will the shootout be with you, or without you?
    Where do I see a shoot out about to happen? All I see is two sh*tbirds looking around.

    Assuming something else has happened to convince me a shoot-out IS about to happen, and assuming I am a non LE oriented citizen, as a civilian I'm outta there as fast as I can. I don't know anything about tactics, shoot outs or anything else and I'm scared sh*tless. I'm so gone you can't believe it. As soon as I can I call 911.

    One caviat - if in a position to do so undetected, I might try to slip my gun to the cop. THEN I'M HISTORY!

    BTW - which porno mags?
    Last edited by 1042 Trooper; 05-16-2006, 07:20 PM.
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    • #3
      AS A CITIZEN, I'm outta there.As a cop, I see nothing to indicate a shho-out, so again, I have no reason to hang around. If, as acop, I suspect something, I calmly walk out (create distance & cover) & STILL dial 911 so I dont have a 2 vs.1 situation. Staying inside may create a shoot-out and/or hostage situation. Leaving allows me time to set myself up & call in the cavalry---it's really kind of a dumb scenario. (sorry)

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      • #4
        The cop was looking at the one with an advertivement for a "Brokeback Mountain Experience in Mexico" And advertisements for handcuffs suitable for men, women and sheep.

        I was looking at a tastefuly done German magazine that didn't have any articles.

        Originally posted by 1042 Trooper
        Where do I see a shoot out about to happen? All I see is two sh*tbirds looking around. Assuming something has happened to convince me a shoot out IS about to happen, as a civilian I'm outta there can.
        You have a point, but this scenario is one that I pulled out of the past, albit no cop was present and I was carrying legaly...Um...Well, carrying...maybe...do you consider a .32 ACP a gun?

        Well, anyway...the 2 guys came in, split up, and it looked hinky, so I got behind a huge display of beer on the theory that 6 feet of aluminum and liquid was my best cover available with no way out of the store front or back, palmed the gun in my pocket (all the while thinking "Oh fuc-, the ONE time I don't have a 9mm"), and pretended to ignore everything as the 2 guys looked at me, looked at the cashier and back at me...then they left.

        Should it have been called in? Maybe. And said what? 2 guys walked into a store, looked around and left?

        Cashier looked like she didn't like the way the two of them acted and commented as much after they left, but it could have been nothing. Or not.

        How did I know something was going to happen...I didn't. Why did the cashier think something was going to happen? Duno, experience maybe?

        I'm not a mind reader, but I'm not stupid either. Neither are a lot of people.

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        • #5
          By the way, I do agree with the answers given: "LEAVE".

          It does suck as an answer sometimes, because even if you make it out, you still know that someone else got the shaft and that sucks.

          Life is like a septic tank, you don't swim through it without having to deal with shi+. (Hows THAT for being cynical)

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          • #6

            Had the excrement hit the windmaking device and a shootout did occur, what then? Suppose you did cap a dirtbag, but one of the bad guys did manage to shoot the cop. Then what?

            Uniformed officers roll up after a "shots fired" or "robbery in progress" call -- or even reports of "officer down" squeaking through the radio. They walk in, you are armed and the 'downed' officer is lying nearby. What's to say that you are not mistaken for one of the turds?

            At the very least, you would have some 'splainin' to do -- and you'd still be running afoul of the DA and the liberal, anti-gun courts. Your best hope was that the officer was not injured, you are credited with saving his life and capping a bad guy. Then it would be kind of hard for some slimy prosecutor to use you as a feather in his political cap.

            Makes me glad that I live in a shall-issue state. The turds will be armed anyway, so at least a few of us "good guys" may also be packing. It makes for a safer society, at least much more so than only taking guns away from law-abiding people who aren't the problem in the first place.

            As with the other "what if" thread, I suppose this one will be a long one.



            The comments above reflect my personal opinion as a private citizen, ordinary motorist and all-around good guy.

            The aforementioned advice should not be construed to represent any type of professional opinion, legal counsel or other type of instruction with regard to traffic laws, judicial proceedings or official agency policy.

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            "Ignorance on fire is hotter than knowledge on ice."

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            • #7
              If no ACTUAL threat exists, and only an assumed threat (judging by the way they were acting), I would get out of the store.

              The minute the guy pulled a gun, however, I would react based on their actions towards me. Take two steps towards me, I would be liable to put double-tap the bad guy and immediately train my gun on his buddy. Granted, I would go to trial, but I believe the juries here in Texas would side with me.

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              • #8
                Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six, right?

                The comments above reflect my personal opinion as a private citizen, ordinary motorist and all-around good guy.

                The aforementioned advice should not be construed to represent any type of professional opinion, legal counsel or other type of instruction with regard to traffic laws, judicial proceedings or official agency policy.

                ------------------------------------------------

                "Ignorance on fire is hotter than knowledge on ice."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mitchell_in_CT

                  You are citizen living in an area which does not issue carry permits, yet for your own safety, because its a dangerous world and because of the 18 murders THIS MONTH in town, you have decided to start carrying a S&W 640 hammerless J-frame in .357 Magnum (Legaly purchaced, illegaly carried).
                  As a citizen, I wouldn't break the law. As a criminal, I would.

                  The only criminal in that scenario you described would be me- which just wouldn't happen.
                  You have no right to not be offended.-Neal Boortz

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                  • #10
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                    Last edited by Frank Booth; 12-02-2006, 06:35 AM.

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