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  • #16
    *Bang*

    Just me blowing a gasket. This is just another example of the liberal intelliginsia being out of touch with reality.

    Ok, I hate to sound like a raving conservative but this is just stupid. God, you guys/gals made some great points. Virtual freedom, so true. Hey lets let'em stalk from prison, or trade "trade secrets" with prisoners in other prisons, or form even bigger networks on our dime. I don't think any tech savvy child molesters will find a way download child porn off the net, noooo, they will educate themselves via the net.

    Can't imagine any credit card theft rings being inplace in a prison and running rampant.

    Certain members of our nation need to realize that the priority doesn't need to be placed on the small percentage of people that VICTIMIZE society, but on the large percentage of those who work day in and day out, trying to survive and acheive the American Dream.

    Screw the ACLU!

    hhmm, I feel better now.
    Do your best, do what is right

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    • #17
      quote:
      Originally posted by AverageJoe:
      Provide the opportunity for education to allow people to better themselves if desired, but not things like TV to keep inmates pacified until their time is served.
      I guess that's why I have not yet passed a jury selection process - I believe that criminals proven guilty of a crime earning jail time should lose all but the basic rights and be punished, not just relocated for a while and entertained until their sentence is up. The ACLU can debate me on my opinion anytime.

      AvgJoe

      While TV is entertainment, it is also a good tool. These people have nothing but time to dream up ways to cause mischief, and TV is one way to keep them occupied and under control. If we didn't have television to keep them busy most of the day, the Officer working in the Detention facilities/prisons would have a much, much rougher time doing their jobs, and it would take, probably nearly double the number of Officers to accomplish the smallest tasks.

      If you have nothing to take away from them, it's real hard to maintain control.

      The responsibilities of the Detention Officers (here, anyway) is "Care, Custody adn Control" of the inmates.
      Optimistic pessimist: Hope for the best, but expect the worst.

      Jack

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      • #18
        I used to think the way that many of you do. Take every thing away from inmates because prison is ment to be punishment. It should be unpleasant. I changed my mind a bit after working in a prision. When your in a locked room, alone, with 200 convicted felons you are very glad that they have something to occupy their time. Otherwise they would have 24hrs a day to think about how they are going to hurt you or escape or riot or whatever. Although I didn't work in corrections as long as JKT I quickly developed an appreciation for some of the privilages inmates are granted. Besides, you need to be able to take something away from them when they act up or don't comply.

        HOWEVER, internet access is going way too far. [Eek!] The kind of information that would become available to them would be very dangerous. They could find addresses and phone numbers for the officers working in the prison. This is an obvious problem. I guess I'm not real sure as to why the ACLU is going to bat on this subject. Was internet access guaranted in the Constitution? I must have missed that part.
        Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead.

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        • #19
          JKT, I was going to add a paragraph about how the report said TV was used as leverage to keep control but I figured that made my post too long. Whatever it takes to keep you and yours safe is OK with me.

          I understand that given nothing but bread and bars to look at, the bad guys have nothing to do but get badder and more angry at you, the one with the badge and keys. I assume what's on prison TVs is regulated to non-violent and maybe even only educational material so it may be worth keeping on at all times. To save money, rotate a DVD library of approved material and save the cable money. I just don't want to hear that people in jail enjoy T1 'net access and cable TV.

          [idealism]
          While I'm not advocating a return to the days of dungeons, I would like to see criminals walk out of prison saying "That really sucked, I hated it in there and I sure won't be back".
          [/idealism]

          Since I know nothing about how prisons are run other than what the Discovery Channel and O.com tell me, feel free to ignore me. I realize my lack of knowledge. I am just voicing my perception that time in jail is not as hard as it should be, and my frustration at that perception. Who knows, maybe it's worse than I think but I am confident I'll never find out. And above all, I appreciate the dangerous job corrections officers do. Nothing at all against you.

          AvgJoe
          Be careful, kids. Daddy's summer car is like the Ark of the Covanent - if you touch it, you will surely die.

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          • #20
            quote:
            Originally posted by Niteshift:
            One of the states is in a battle with the ACLU about internet access for prisoners.

            Should they be allowed to access the net? If so, what safe-guards should be in place?

            Personally, I look at it as "virtual freedom" and oppose it.

            I agree wholeheartedly.

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            • #21
              QUOTE:
              "Besides, you need to be able to take something away from them when they act up or don't comply"

              HOW BOUT a f***ing crack on the head!!! this is prison, not a frikkin' church ice cream social!!

              yeah...don't want to be cruel and inhumane to the thug that killed 2 little girls cause he was ****ed off at the world!!!

              why don't we give them MORE toys to play with. that way they will always be happy to comply with the bosses ways.

              playstation 2 = no shanks
              cable tv/internet = no prison rapes
              better food = no riots
              better sleeping conditions = one happy f***ing inmate

              let's bring in some beer and strippers too. what the hell...nothing is too good for our prisons full of murderers, rapists, and terrorists.

              give me a break.
              I'll post, You argue.

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              • #22
                well said nick.
                "The soldier above all other people prays for peace, for he
                must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war"

                --Gen Douglas MacArthur 1962

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                • #23
                  quote:
                  Originally posted by JKT:
                  While TV is entertainment, it is also a good tool. These people have nothing but time to dream up ways to cause mischief, and TV is one way to keep them occupied and under control. If we didn't have television to keep them busy most of the day, the Officer working in the Detention facilities/prisons would have a much, much rougher time doing their jobs, and it would take, probably nearly double the number of Officers to accomplish the smallest tasks.

                  If you have nothing to take away from them, it's real hard to maintain control.

                  The responsibilities of the Detention Officers (here, anyway) is "Care, Custody and Control" of the inmates.[/QB]

                  I quoted your whole post because i think it says it all...and i know how much experience you have. And I have the experience from the other side, visiting inmates.

                  Prison IS punishment, prison sucks. if anyone thinks that being able to watch TV makes it NOT feel like punishment, youre crazy. And you DON'T want inmates having more time to sit around and plot against guards, OR more reason for them to hate the guards.

                  Going to prison is the punishment; losing your freedom. you can never just do what you want, so it doesnt matter that you have TV and a gym. That's how we punish criminals in America, we dont torture or beat them.

                  With that said, i am against giving them access to the internet. I think its too dangerous an idea.

                  [ 01-03-2003, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: jellybean40 ]
                  "You did what you knew how to do...and when you knew better, you did better." ~~Maya Angelou

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                  • #24
                    quote:
                    Originally posted by RachelR:
                    What I think is sad is that there are still many schools, especially those in rural or inner city areas that do not have internet access however we can afford to give it to inmates.

                    How true. There are also many non-profit organizations that can't afford computers and related equipment. I think the priority should be the schools, etc.

                    I don't have a problem with prisoners learning the technical aspect. At least they would have a job skill. I even made that suggestion when our computer dept was disposing of older Pentium computers, monitors, printers, etc. I asked if they could be sent up to the prison, let the prisoners refurbish them and then distribute them to the schools and agencies that were in need. "No" was their answer because of liability reasons and so 3 forty yard trash containers of computer equipment went to the dump. [Frown]
                    " Life's disappointments are harder to take when you don't know any swear words." - Calvin

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                    • #25
                      First of all, my comments were not intended as a slam against anyone.

                      I like letting people know what things are really like, as opposed to what is seen on TV and in movies.

                      Speaking from my experience, 20 years ago, you could gain instant compliance by turning off a TV.

                      Today, you nearly have to threaten to bring out the OC.

                      That is just the difference in inmates. Nowadays, we are getting the children (literally) of the inmates I dealt with 20 years ago. Then, the average age of the inmates was around 25-30. Now, it's more like 17-25. And the attitudes have gotten much worse. Any tool to gain compliance (within reason) is a good thing.

                      That said, internet access is above and beyond, IMHO. I don't think they should even have access to a computer, much less the internet. The State prison system allows inmates to have typewriters (remember them? ), I don't know about computers, though. I can find out.

                      I think Jails and Prisons should be punishment. They are not meant to be pleasant places, but are turning more and more into nearly a hotel-like atmosphere.

                      By State Law, we can force inmates that have been sentenced to County Jail time to work. As clean-up, work in fields, etc. Unfortunately, we don't have any fields (yet) for them to work in. We did have a "chain gang" doing roadside cleanup, that lasted about a month, before some bleeding heart complained about seeing them along the roadside picking up trash. It was hot weather, so the poor darlings were sweating

                      Nevermind the Officers standing there with them.

                      To avoid confusion on the timing of my service, I have bounced from the street to Detention, back and forth a couple of times over the years. Currently in Detention 14+ years at one shot.

                      [ 01-03-2003, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: JKT ]
                      Optimistic pessimist: Hope for the best, but expect the worst.

                      Jack

                      [email protected]

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                      • #26
                        quote:
                        Originally posted by JKT:
                        While TV is entertainment, it is also a good tool. These people have nothing but time to dream up ways to cause mischief, and TV is one way to keep them occupied and under control.

                        Wouldn't hard labor accomplish the same thing?
                        Bill R

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                        • #27
                          Jack,
                          Hopefully you know that i meant your post was great, and very true lol.

                          in case that's not the way i came off [Wink]

                          And i agree with the hard labor, nothing wrong with that. in heat or in cold, we do that here with the prison road crews.
                          "You did what you knew how to do...and when you knew better, you did better." ~~Maya Angelou

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                          • #28
                            quote:
                            Originally posted by Bill R:
                            quote:
                            Originally posted by JKT:
                            While TV is entertainment, it is also a good tool. These people have nothing but time to dream up ways to cause mischief, and TV is one way to keep them occupied and under control.

                            Wouldn't hard labor accomplish the same thing?
                            Yep, sure would. The State Peison System does just that.

                            Our Facility (County Jail) can only make those sentenced to County Jail time (misdemeanors) work, but the local citizens don't like seeing them "working so hard".

                            When our new facility in built, within the next few years, hopefully there will be some farmland that we can work them on. That would be ideal. Make them raise some of their own food, like the Prison System does.
                            Optimistic pessimist: Hope for the best, but expect the worst.

                            Jack

                            [email protected]

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                            • #29
                              AAaaaaARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!
                              Screw the scumbags!
                              Internet Access???
                              Are poor families guaranteed free computers for the kids????
                              The criminals owe a very big debt to society, that being said they can't afford computers!!!
                              They should be working, very hard to pay back at least some of the debt they owe.
                              What kind of scumbag-***-kisser would feel sorry for them??? Do they honestly believe these scumbags would have any pity for them as they beat them to death for a couple $$$????
                              Maybe what these bleeding hearts need is to be mugged so they can see just how much mercy criminals show others!
                              Way I see it, The bgs take from others, violate others rights, hurt others...Why should they be rewarded for that??? Don't bleeding hearts realize that these scumbags wouldn't thank twice about taking their computer??? Robbing their home, killing their children??
                              What is going on in this world!!
                              Outside of jail who get's free computers, meals, a bed and a roof over their head???
                              We should be helping good ppl who have no home, computer, FOOD before giving these ***-holes a single thing!!
                              As for keeping control, I don't see the use of giving them things they don't deserve and then threatening to take them away. What's wrong with OCing them and throwing them in 'the hole' for a few months?
                              That'll keep the 'GOOFS' in line.
                              F-ck their civil rights, since they are not civil they do not deserve any.
                              They should be happy they're getting treated as good as they are, But no, of course not because everybody owes them just because they're scumbags.
                              Poor little scumbags!
                              *rant mode off*

                              Oh, Did I mention I oppose scumbags getting computers??

                              [ 01-03-2003, 06:41 PM: Message edited by: Oink ]
                              All of god's creatures are entitled to live without fear of "gun violence" except for you and your family. - <a href="http://www.handguncontrolinc.org/selfdefense_quiz.htm" target="_blank">Source</a>

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                              • #30
                                I definately don't support the idea of inmates having access to the internet. There are far too many criminal activities that can be engaged in this way.

                                On the other hand, I don't think that hard labor, lack of televisions, etc. is a good answer. I think that inmates should be given constant access to t.v.s and video games. Couches should be plentiful. Bon bons and other junk food should be available around the clock. Weights and other exercise equipment should be non-existant. Meals should be as tasty as possible while also being high in carbs, high in protein, and high in fat. Inmates should be encouraged to return for second and third helpings.

                                Basically, I'm tired of dealing with pumped up ex-cons.

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