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    Heard about this on a podcast I was listening to at work today and actually got physically ill hearing the recording...
    From: http://hammeroftruth.com/2006/04/25/...ming-epidemic/

    “You’re not f***ing listening. You hear what I told you? I told you not to be talking. Didn’t I tell you not to be talking? That’s just the f***ing beginning. This mother f***er right here, he loves seeing blood. He loves it. He loves seeing blood. You’re talking too much. Listen to what I’m telling you. He loves f***ing seeing blood. He’ll beat your *** and lick it off of you.”

    We just covered one story about justice served southern style. Radly Balko also brings to mind another case, this time in Tennessee. While the transcript of the Lester Eugene Siler torture tape has been available for some time, Balko’s link provided my first chance to hear the audio.

    If you don’t recall the story, Siler was brutally tortured by Tennessee police officers during a drug raid. We would never have heard this story had Siler’s wife not secretly turned a tape recorder on. While five cops were convicted, they were given extremely lenient sentences — mostly for civil rights charges, as opposed to the life terms they all deserved. Contrast this with Cory Maye, who was given a death penalty for what seems to be a case of reasonable self-defense.

    People say that Abu Ghraib was an isolated event. They say the Cory Maye case is an isolated event. They say the same of Abner Louima and many more cases. How many torture cases do we have to endure before we begin to realize they aren’t so isolated. There is an evil streak within some people. We are placing these people in positions where they can abuse their power. We need to change our policies and our political leadership.

    EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD LISTEN TO THIS AUDIO and maybe we can begin to form the resolve to create effective political change.

    Update by Nicholas Sarwark: The Knox News site has a page with links to various documents in the case and information about the sentences the officers received.
    And the longest any of them got was SIX YEARS. SIX YEARS FOR TORTURE.

    Link to the audio: http://wms.scripps.com/knoxville/siler/siler.mp3
    Link to the news site: http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_ne..._28813,00.html
    Link to the transcript of the audio: http://web.knoxnews.com/pdf/silertranscript.pdf
    "The world isn't as it should be. It's harsh. And it's cruel. That's why there's us. Champions. We live as if the world were as it should be, to show it what it can be."-Angel Season 4

  • #2
    Originally posted by DanteSF
    There is an evil streak within some people. We are placing these people in positions where they can abuse their power.
    I think any honest law abiding police officer here will agree with this statement. What's the solution? Police chiefs and sheriffs nationwide would like to know the answer. You don't know a person is a loose cannon until they have already lost their cool. And by then the sheriffs and chiefs have to back the loose cannons and their actions so as to lesson their own civil liability.

    By the way, it's obvious that psychological testing is not working.

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    • #3
      I see the fact that psych screening isn't too reliable here. I can't stand hearing 18 year olds, fresh out of high school and into the military talk about how they "can't wait to kill them a motherf***ing raghead". Yeah, for most of them it's just kids talking smack, but for some...they mean it. And they're the ones that finish military time, go into civillian LE, then procede to give us ALL a bad name.
      "The world isn't as it should be. It's harsh. And it's cruel. That's why there's us. Champions. We live as if the world were as it should be, to show it what it can be."-Angel Season 4

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Frank Booth
          I, for one, am glad that we have young Marines who are able to dehumanize the enemy and kill them in their own countries. And I'd much rather hear an 18 year-old speak like this than a 30 year-old. Maybe you're not giving them or their leaders enough credit to be able to distinguish non-terrorists from the "ragheads" they want to kill. God Bless young bloodthirsty Americans with good guns and good leadership.



          Did you throw up?
          In the words of John McEnroe, you cannot be serious. The trouble with your theory is that the 18-year-old marine will grow into the f***ed up 30-year-old cop, who still has nightmares about what he did when he sleeps, and dehumanises "the enemy" - i.e, other people - when he's awake.

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          • #6
            If they don't dehumanize it, they might hesitate a few seconds too long. I'd rather have nightmares than be dead.
            And I've worked with enough fellow officers that served in Vietnam and they were fine. The only difference I saw was, they didn't panic when shots were fired.

            I think the reaction is up to the individual.

            And I think a cop that lets himself get personally involved, such as beating a prisoner, is an ***. and puts himself into the same category as the deft,And too often destroys the case.
            Make a clean catch or nothing.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DanteSF
                There is an evil streak within some people. We are placing these people in positions where they can abuse their power.
                No, there is an evil streak in all people. Every person, when given power, will be tempted to abuse it. It's just human nature. What seperates the good cops from the bad cops are the ones who don't give in to the temptation.
                Future Farva

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JeffroPoPo
                  What seperates the good cops from the bad cops are the ones who don't give in to the temptation.
                  Using your theory, which could be correct, it sure seems like temptation is winning a lot more nowadays.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Frank Booth
                    Nope, I'm serious...We're talking about people trained to kill efficiently and without remorse. We need those kinds of people. Whether they can be acceptable cops or not is not my concern. The people doing the hiring have a duty to determine that.
                    That's all well and good, Frank...may I call you Frank?...but human beings are not faucets that you can simply switch on and off, especially as far as acts of killing are concerned. By all means they should kill efficiently, but to feel no remorse? You jest, sir. That's not what we're about.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SHERIFF
                        Using your theory, which could be correct, it sure seems like temptation is winning a lot more nowadays.
                        I don't it's winning anymore than it was back in the day. It just gets more press now...
                        "The world isn't as it should be. It's harsh. And it's cruel. That's why there's us. Champions. We live as if the world were as it should be, to show it what it can be."-Angel Season 4

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DanteSF
                          I don't it's winning anymore than it was back in the day. It just gets more press now...
                          It's hard to calculate I suppose. Combined with the fact there were 400,000 law enforcement officers in the USA 20 years ago. Now there's 700,000.

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                          • #14
                            That story was highly covered by the local news. The guy, Siler, was known for drugs. And I think he has since been arrested for meth. There is also a law suit now.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MPD-A9
                              There is also a law suit now.
                              http://wms.scripps.com/knoxville/siler/siler.mp3

                              After listening to the audio tape, I would be surprised if there wasn't a lawsuit. And I would be surprised if he doesn't get about $5 million in damages. Any juror listening to the audio tape is going to be sick to their stomachs.

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