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  • Freemasons

    How much influence do the Freemasons have on your department and city/county/state government ?

    All the chiefs in the history of my doepartent have been Freemasons. When I came on 25 years ago, the chief was actually insulted if you did not try to join a Masonic lodge. Almost all the supervisors, detectives, narcotics and traffic bureau people were Freemasons, and the "profane" were expected to trudge along as patrolmen for their entire careers. It seemed like about half the traffic stops you made, someone would be tappong a compass ring on the door as you approached

    Things have changed since then. Although the present chief if a mason, there are many people in high and desirable positions who are not, and I don't think anybody careas about that any more. I dont know if it is that the department has changed in that regard, or in society in general

    Are there any other organzations, etc, who have alot of influence in your department?

  • #2
    Tap that compass ring on the door all you want. Unless there's a badge and ID in that hand, too, we're still having a nice little chat.

    More on topic, I'm unaware of anyone in my department who has any connection to the Masons. It sure as hell doesn't play any role in promotions (we have enough politics as it is without throwing that stuff in).
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    • #3
      Originally posted by fahrenheit
      Tap that compass ring on the door all you want. Unless there's a badge and ID in that hand, too, we're still having a nice little chat.

      More on topic, I'm unaware of anyone in my department who has any connection to the Masons. It sure as hell doesn't play any role in promotions (we have enough politics as it is without throwing that stuff in).

      I had a guy who as I was cuffing him said "I am a Mason and a Shriner, and you can;t do this to me"

      Well, I am not a mson and i did do it to him. I was expecting a phone call on it, but I never got it. He pleaded guilty

      The masons are not big in Catholic cities like Chicago, NYC, etc, so I am not surprised they have no influence by you

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Hogboy
        I had a guy who as I was cuffing him said "I am a Mason and a Shriner, and you can;t do this to me"

        Well, I am not a mson and i did do it to him. I was expecting a phone call on it, but I never got it. He pleaded guilty

        The masons are not big in Catholic cities like Chicago, NYC, etc, so I am not surprised they have no influence by you
        Elks do the same thing. ****es me off just as much. Suddenly you're supposed to be best friends? Press hard, you're making five copies.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by 1042 Trooper
          Elks do the same thing. ****es me off just as much. Suddenly you're supposed to be best friends? Press hard, you're making five copies.

          The Elks and the Moose Lodge are pretty much just social clubs around here. I think there might be something more sinister going on with the Mason thing.

          There is alot of potential for Freemasonry to be used as a vehicle for corruption because of their veil of secrecy and their "moral code". A freemason is obligated to hepl a brother mason out of his legal troubles so long as it does not jeopardize himself. The only exception to this is "treason" (however one may define that)

          Thereis much evidence that the assassinations of JFK, MLK and Megar Evers were, although not "Masonic conspiracies" in and of themselves, were planned and carried out enirely by Freemasons.

          The KKK was founded by two Freemasons, Nathan Bedford Forrest and Albert Pike. Albert Pike is considered the most respected Masonic writer who wrote "Morals and Dogma", considered the greatest Masonic book.

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          • #6
            Elks and Masons in my part of the country.
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              • #8
                Let me start by stating that I am a Mason. Now that that is out of the way...if I was to stop someone and they began to claim they were a mason to try to get out of the ticket, I would find out their lodge number and talk to them to get info on their lodge. THEN...they would get treated just like everyone else. If I would normally write the ticket then guess what, you are getting it to. Maybe if I was in another part of the country I would approach it differently, but around here we have had many instances of people claiming to be masons for personal gain. Some of these people have turned out to not be masons, just jerks who were trying to take advantage of the lodges natural inclinations towards charity. That doesn't sit well with me. I have no problem helping a brother when he is in financial straights, or having personal problems, but when it comes to the law they should follow it just like everyone else. The simple fact that they are a Mason means; to me, that they should hold themselves to a higher standard anyways. I became a mason because I appriciated the lodges morals and values, the mosonic lodge and scottish rite provided hospital care for my brother when we were young. If it wasn't for the work of the lodges and scottish rite my parents would have been in great debt due to my brothers surgerys (he has cerebral paulsy). I have never appriciated someone who tries to join the Masonic lodge thinking it will help their status, and every new member committee I have been on has not recommended someone if they act like that is the reason they are joining.
                The Republicans need to shrug off this Christian Coalition noose it has placed around its own neck and recognize the fact that, though they may not realize it, the majority of Americans are actually quite libertarian in their philosophy. They also need to learn to fight once in a while. What a bunch of wimps.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RedRaider911
                  Let me start by stating that I am a Mason. Now that that is out of the way...if I was to stop someone and they began to claim they were a mason to try to get out of the ticket, I would find out their lodge number and talk to them to get info on their lodge. THEN...they would get treated just like everyone else. If I would normally write the ticket then guess what, you are getting it to. Maybe if I was in another part of the country I would approach it differently, but around here we have had many instances of people claiming to be masons for personal gain. Some of these people have turned out to not be masons, just jerks who were trying to take advantage of the lodges natural inclinations towards charity. That doesn't sit well with me. I have no problem helping a brother when he is in financial straights, or having personal problems, but when it comes to the law they should follow it just like everyone else. The simple fact that they are a Mason means; to me, that they should hold themselves to a higher standard anyways. I became a mason because I appriciated the lodges morals and values, the mosonic lodge and scottish rite provided hospital care for my brother when we were young. If it wasn't for the work of the lodges and scottish rite my parents would have been in great debt due to my brothers surgerys (he has cerebral paulsy). I have never appriciated someone who tries to join the Masonic lodge thinking it will help their status, and every new member committee I have been on has not recommended someone if they act like that is the reason they are joining.
                  Sometimes playing the Masonic card in front of a judge can backfire. I heard a story about an accused child molester who held his feet at a 90 degree angle and threw out some code words due guards and stuff at a masonic judge and the judge was even harder on him.
                  But it would not surpise me if a Masonic judge cut some slack to a traffic violator
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                  • #10
                    Wow do I feel culture shock. Here in suburban southern California it seems like nobody under 70 is a Mason. I see Shriners in 4th of July parades, and I hear that they do great work, but they are all old guys.

                    I think that out here fraternal organizations have gone by the wayside. My mother was in a Catholic women's organization, and one grandfather was a Knight of Columbus in Missouri, while another grandfather and an uncle were Masons in rural Arizona.

                    But nobody that I know aged 60 or under belongs to any of those groups anymore out here on the coast. Maybe nowadays it is more of a small town activity. No offense, just don't see it.

                    I have actually never met anyone out here on the coast, and I have lived here all my life and am in my mid 50's, who said that he was a Mason. Since I don't know any, and never see anything about them, I have no prejudices one way or another.

                    I have heard of cliques in law enforcement based on ethnicity and religion, but never Masons, Elks, Moose etc.
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                    • #11
                      I, too am a FreeMason. This subject has been beat to death on this forum.
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                      • #12

                        This subject comes up from time to time......but it remains a mystery to most folks. I don't have a strong opinion on it one way or the other, but agree with the statement about them being a lot of "old guys" these days.

                        My late father was a member of a masonic temple, as were his brother and both of my grandfathers. I have a Catholic cousin who currently belongs to the Knights of Columbus - and he claims that they forbid membership in a masonic lodge.

                        My uncle, who is still living, said that masonic lodges never "recruit" people and only show interest in those men who approach them first. The way society is today, you would think that these fraternal organizations will eventually die off as their members pass on. Who knows? No mention of the knights templar was made to my brother, cousins or myself. Perhaps the family elders did not think we were worthy of membership.


                        Anyway, the sheriff for whom I worked was a mason.......as were several other deputies. Nobody made much mention of it, however.

                        The comments above reflect my personal opinion as a private citizen, ordinary motorist and all-around good guy.

                        The aforementioned advice should not be construed to represent any type of professional opinion, legal counsel or other type of instruction with regard to traffic laws, judicial proceedings or official agency policy.

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                        • #13
                          Questions?

                          While I have heard of the Elks, Moose, Freemasons, K of C and Shriners (my mom worked at a Shriner's hospital in Massachusetts for years), I don't know ANYTHING about them...other than I only see and they DO (don't kill me for saying this!) seem to be "older". Do they even have websites or anything? How would someone find out about them? (Not that I'm looking to join, but I'm kind of an info-junkie)...I'm originally from Massachusetts and they all seem to be big up there. I think my father in law is an Elk, but I never asked him anything about it...Does anyone know what any of them are all about or have any suggestions for websites or articles?

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                          • #14

                            Some quick searching turned up the web sites shown below. I neither condone nor oppose any view represented by any of them, but merely have listed them so that forum viewers can read the contents for themselves and develop their own opinions regarding this topic.

                            {How is that for a generic, politically correct disclaimer?}


                            http://www.freemason.org (Web Site for a California Lodge)

                            http://www.masonicinfo.com/famous.htm (Famous Freemasons)

                            http://www.freedomdomain.com/freemason.html (Read for Yourself!)

                            http://freemasonrywatch.org/ (Anti-Masonic Site)

                            http://skepdic.com/freemasons.html (Skeptic Website)

                            http://www.bilderberg.org/masons.htm (Another anti-masonic site)

                            ENJOY!!

                            The comments above reflect my personal opinion as a private citizen, ordinary motorist and all-around good guy.

                            The aforementioned advice should not be construed to represent any type of professional opinion, legal counsel or other type of instruction with regard to traffic laws, judicial proceedings or official agency policy.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by VA Dutch

                              Some quick searching turned up the web sites shown below. I neither condone nor oppose any view represented by any of them, but merely have listed them so that forum viewers can read the contents for themselves and develop their own opinions regarding this topic.

                              {How is that for a generic, politically correct disclaimer?}


                              http://www.freemason.org (Web Site for a California Lodge)

                              http://www.masonicinfo.com/famous.htm (Famous Freemasons)

                              http://www.freedomdomain.com/freemason.html (Read for Yourself!)

                              http://freemasonrywatch.org/ (Anti-Masonic Site)

                              http://skepdic.com/freemasons.html (Skeptic Website)

                              http://www.bilderberg.org/masons.htm (Another anti-masonic site)

                              ENJOY!!
                              As a mason myself, I find the anti-mason sites to be halarious. Most of the stuff on those sites are so far off base that it is amussing.
                              The Republicans need to shrug off this Christian Coalition noose it has placed around its own neck and recognize the fact that, though they may not realize it, the majority of Americans are actually quite libertarian in their philosophy. They also need to learn to fight once in a while. What a bunch of wimps.
                              -Neal Boortz

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