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    "December 10, 2001

    A Queens lieutenant has been charged and transferred for allegedly sexually harassing two female officers while a top commander has been reprimanded for not taking appropriate action in the case.

    Assistant Chief Thomas Lawless, who heads Queens Patrol Borough South, received what was described as a "very strong" letter of reprimand for failing to censure Lt. Thomas Gray, who has been charged with conduct unbecoming an officer, officials said.

    The two female officers, Sgt. Anita Ryan and Det. Cheryl Schiefer, have filed suit in State Supreme Court in Manhattan seeking $30 million from Lawless, Gray and the Police Department.

    Lawless, 58, a 36-year department veteran, and Gray, 50, with 28 years on the job, have ridden the Police Department range like the Lone Ranger and Tonto, moving together from assignment to assignment. The practice of commanders taking favored staffers with them is not uncommon.

    Neither returned calls to Newsday.

    Internal Affairs investigators looked into the allegations but were only able to corroborate one claim made by Ryan and Schiefer. Whether this means that Ryan and Schiefer made up the rest of the allegations or that witnesses were intimidated from coming forward will be for a jury to decide.

    Sexual harassment has become a department embarrassment. One problem is the often he said/she said nature of the allegations. Another is the department's reluctance to discipline high-ranking officers.

    Last year, the department settled a sexual harassment case of dubious merit in Staten Island by paying $1 million to Sandra Marsh, its former civilian deputy commissioner of equal employment opportunity. Marsh had refused an order from then-Commissioner Howard Safir to rewrite a report criticizing the Staten Island borough commander's reaction to sexual harassment allegations made in that borough.

    And last week, deputy inspector Jose Rosado of the 42nd Precinct in the Bronx was busted to captain after he allegedly arrived drunk at the 23rd Precinct, struck a female officer he had dated, then scuffled with the precinct commander and urinated in the commander's office sink. In demoting Rosado, Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik cited Rosado's alleged drinking but made no mention of his allegedly having struck the female officer.

    The Queens case begins with the arrival of Lawless and Gray at Queens Patrol borough headquarters in May, 2000. According to the suit Ryan and Schiefer filed on Aug. 15, Gray made several inappropriate sexual remarks to Ryan and pulled down his pants in front of Schiefer.

    In one instance, the suit alleges, Gray told Ryan to touch his genitalia rather than shake his hand. Gray also posted signs on Ryan's desk calling her the "Borough ---," the only allegation that police investigators corroborate.

    Gray also made remarks "explicitly detailing his private sex life, including the fact that his children watched him and his wife having sex through the window of their beach house," the suit claims.

    The suit claims that Gray told the officers that although he knew his children were watching, he refused to stop.

    The suit also contends that Gray displayed photos of he and Lawless in their underwear, and that Gray said he enjoys riding the Long Island Rail Road because of "all the young boys on the train."

    Gray also made "offensive comments" about Ryan's 11-year-old son, the suit said, and Lawless fed Gray grapes while Gray stroked and massaged Lawless' legs. Gray also called Lawless his "second wife," according to the suit.

    The suit also contends that when Schiefer prompted an internal investigation by requesting an EEO complaint form, which is confidential, the EEO officer "immediately made known her request for the form and persuaded her not to formally file a complaint."

    Lawless and Gray later "retaliated by discussing the details of her complaint with co-workers," the suit said.

    When an EEO officer called Gray about the allegations, he answered the phone by saying, "Which one of my --- is complaining about me now?" the suit alleges.

    Ryan, who joined the department in 1982, transferred to Brooklyn South Borough Patrol in May, joining Chief Joseph Fox, her commanding officer in Queens before Lawless arrived. She has filed for retirement. Schiefer, a police officer since 1986, remains in Queens.


    Kelly's Corner. Incoming police commissioner Ray Kelly is said to be focusing on WCBS-TV reporter Michael O'Looney as his spokesman.

    O'Looney says Kelly contacted him about the job but hasn't made him a formal offer.

    O'Looney says he's known Kelly for a decade and that Kelly attended his wedding.

    Kelly didn't return a call.

    No comment from Team Bloomberg.

  • #2
    Ya know it REALLY sickens me to read these things about the NYPD. It has been a life long dream of mine to be an NYPD officer, i've always wanted to do it. I've been to New York about 14 times in the last 4 years. I absolutely love the city. But I just can't see applying and going out there to work because the pay is so bad. Working here I can make over $50,000 a year and live very well due to cost of living in one of the best places to raise a family. I absolutely love manhattan and would be there in a heartbeat, but I only want to be a Cop and it isn't realistic. I've looked at LAPD too, and the LAPD is, believe it or not, worse than the NYPD with the way it treats its officers in situations such as the one's you describe. In LA the problem is more or less that the dept is trying to make everyone but its workers happy. In NYC the problem seems to revolve around many of its upper echelon people being downright stupid and unprofessional. For these reasons I can't justify what I think are too of the most alluring places to be a Cop. If NYPD would make its supervisors straighten their $h*t out and get into the real world of policing and allow their officers to be as good as they can actually be while unhandcuffing them from stupid regulations maybe they would attract a higher quality applicant base which they would be able to draw future supervisors from. Same goes for LAPD, supervisors need to remove their heads from between their legs and wake up and realize that their civilian review board doesn't work and start to let their officers dictate the way the department works, rather than relying so much on people who have never seen the view of the real world from behind the badge. You'd be amazed at how much respect the police can get from people when people know that these police know what they are doing and know that these police want to be doing what they are doing. It works wonders and leads to a police department that are happy with their community and a community which is happy with their police. Anyways, good luck NYPD .
    Nobody ever wants to have to fight, but its a darn good idea for someone to know how.


    • #3
      Unfortunatly, with the amount of money that the NYPD pays its officers and all the negative publicity, I doubt very many quality applicants want to make a career out of that department. They've relaxed some of their requirements and don't even have a polygraph test, so who knows what quality officers they will be turning out in the future. The problem is that today's recruits are tomorrow's administrators. Not to knock the fine officers of the NYPD, but their admin does need reorganization and the city needs to agree with the PBA's request for a better contract if they expect to stay a quality department. I read on another board that like 75% of the NYPD is eligible for retirement in the next 10 years...makes one wonder what the future will bring if the city doesn't get its act together.

      [ 12-12-2001: Message edited by: PatrickM98 ]


      • #4
        Unless I'm reading your posts wrong, CopinNY, you're not on the NYPD....and jeeper is posting from Wisconsin.

        I'm sure that being a cop in NYC is no day at the beach. I think the cops, and maybe a few bosses, do a pretty good job there.

        It seems you've formed opinions based on reading news articles and making some limited observations. I hate when that happens.


        • #5
          CopinNY and Jeepers:

          PLEASE, PLEASE try to use paragraphs. Maybe I'm just getting old, but those long, replies with no breaks in them get tough to follow sometimes.

          Thank you.


          • #6
            Originally posted by Dinosaur:
            Unless I'm reading your posts wrong, CopinNY, you're not on the NYPD....and jeeper is posting from Wisconsin.

            I'm sure that being a cop in NYC is no day at the beach. I think the cops, and maybe a few bosses, do a pretty good job there.

            It seems you've formed opinions based on reading news articles and making some limited observations. I hate when that happens.
            No, I do not work for the NYPD> I work fopr the Suffolk County Police Department. It is a department about 40 miles east of where the NYPD jurisdiction ends. We cover from middle Long Island, and east. Most NYPD officers live in Suffolk County, and I know many many of them.



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