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What do you guys think about this post? (SWAT related)
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After yesterday I have realized that SWAT teams are nothing more than the bully in grade school. When they are breaking down doors at 4 a.m. and attacking sleeping people they strut around like the baddest of the bad. I personally enjoy watching police shows, and am always BLOWN AWAY by the weapons those bastards have! I've seen Steyr Aug's, HK MP5K's, G36K's, etc. Those guys have the finest weapons, tons of training, and the public sees them as superheroes.
I see them as ***** *** bitches.
Whenever they do something right, they can't stop talking about themselves. Whenever they break down the door of a drug dealers house (when they get the address right) and drag the confused and sleepy man into the street you see them parading around like peacocks giving each other high-fives. But whenever they are actually faced with danger. When they find themselves in a situation where they know someone is armed, and where they know they have to face a criminal who is awake and ready they are the biggest pussies ever!
I can understand their fear. They are asked to go into a hot situation. We ask them to go into a building they've never seen before and we ask them to engage an unknown and hostile foe. I can understand their desire to be home with their families, their fear of the unknown. But to wait outside the factory yesterday in Idaho while victims are bleeding to death so they can chat on the phone with an employee FOR HOURS is UNACCEPTABLE!!
I watched a spokesperson of the department describe their actions, and he admitted that they spent an hour or two (After they got to the scene) deciding the best route into the building. Let's pretend they only spent one hour outside. Think about how ****ing long an hour is! In one hour I can watch an entire episode of Junkyard wars from start to end. In one hour I can sit through a class at college (that seems like for ****ing ever). One hour can make the difference between life and death.
Do you remember William Sanders?
He was the school teacher at Columbine High School who bled to death as the SWAT team sat around for HOURS. The police set up a perimeter and talked to the frightened and dying people inside the high school for hours and hours AFTER the shooting had stopped. AFTER Harris and Klebold had taken their own lives. William Sanders lay in a pool of his own blood for hours while the children hiding with him tried to get the attention of the police with signs in the windows pleading for help. After the SWAT team members somehow mustered the courage from their tiny tiny balls to go into the school to face the awesomely armed and highly trained shooters (two shotguns, a Mac 10 which jammed every few shots, and a Hi-point carbine which also jammed very often), they slowly crept through the building undoubtedly soiling themselves every few steps. (There were multiple unfired rounds littering the floor of the school along with the spent casings. This suggests that the guns that were used jammed very often and had to be cleared every few shots)
Anyways, although the SWAT teams told reporters that they were "outgunned" by the two shooters they mustered their courage and clutched their worthless little HKMP5's and AR-15's and VERY slowly walked through the building treating each student as a threat. All students were treated as a possible suspect, which is understandable. What is not understandable is how the SWAT team treated the students around Mr. William Sanders. The students caring for Mr. Sanders were rushed out of their hiding place, and although they begged the police men to allow them to pull Mr. Sanders to safety, they were refused. It was a matter of hours before they finally treated Mr. Sanders (unsuccessfully) for his wounds. Unfortunatelly he died from his wounds HOURS AND HOURS after Harris and Klebold had killed themselves.
In yesterday's shootings, the cops acted with equal ineptitude in what appears to be SOP (Standard Operating Procedure). While it makes sense to secure a perimeter around the site of the crime, it is insane to me at how long it takes these men to go inside. I watched footage of 7 or 8 SWAT members walking in a line towards the building with their weapons out. They rode around in their ARMORED CAR for a while trying to look inside, and figure out what to do. They talked on the phone to a hiding employee for hours, and finally just went inside to find that the shoter had been dead the whole damn time. The worst part of it all is that the police were informed that the man was going to be coming to kill the employees, but they refused to do anything about it. I guess they are just around to clean up the dead. (and to wait for the wounded to bleed to death)
While some of you may berate me for second guessing these professionals, i am really fed up with their antics. This is what they are trained to do! They were formed in a reaction to the shooting in Texas (I think it was Texas) where that guy in the bell tower was blasting people and the cops were underarmed. I see these police with better guns than much of our military uses, and I always hear about their extensive training and courage, but I swear they seem like the biggest *******.
Perhaps they have to think about liabilities involved if they make mistakes, but i think it's a bigger mistake to take HOURS to enter a building. If that is SOP, then I believe it should be changed. If I was laying on the ground in that factory yesterday....... feeling the life slip from my body...... getting colder and colder..... watching the armored car drive by the windows....... watching the SWAT team cowering behind their police cruisers.....
Well whatever..... it hasn't changed since Columbine, and i'm thinking it won't change after yesterday. We can put the biggest guns in their hands, we can put them in armored vehicles, we can put our lives in their hands, but we can't put balls in their pants.
Shawn
I edited this to delete a term relating to a part of the female anatomy!
[ 12-10-2001: Message edited by: SpecOpsWarrior ]
After yesterday I have realized that SWAT teams are nothing more than the bully in grade school. When they are breaking down doors at 4 a.m. and attacking sleeping people they strut around like the baddest of the bad. I personally enjoy watching police shows, and am always BLOWN AWAY by the weapons those bastards have! I've seen Steyr Aug's, HK MP5K's, G36K's, etc. Those guys have the finest weapons, tons of training, and the public sees them as superheroes.
I see them as ***** *** bitches.
Whenever they do something right, they can't stop talking about themselves. Whenever they break down the door of a drug dealers house (when they get the address right) and drag the confused and sleepy man into the street you see them parading around like peacocks giving each other high-fives. But whenever they are actually faced with danger. When they find themselves in a situation where they know someone is armed, and where they know they have to face a criminal who is awake and ready they are the biggest pussies ever!
I can understand their fear. They are asked to go into a hot situation. We ask them to go into a building they've never seen before and we ask them to engage an unknown and hostile foe. I can understand their desire to be home with their families, their fear of the unknown. But to wait outside the factory yesterday in Idaho while victims are bleeding to death so they can chat on the phone with an employee FOR HOURS is UNACCEPTABLE!!
I watched a spokesperson of the department describe their actions, and he admitted that they spent an hour or two (After they got to the scene) deciding the best route into the building. Let's pretend they only spent one hour outside. Think about how ****ing long an hour is! In one hour I can watch an entire episode of Junkyard wars from start to end. In one hour I can sit through a class at college (that seems like for ****ing ever). One hour can make the difference between life and death.
Do you remember William Sanders?
He was the school teacher at Columbine High School who bled to death as the SWAT team sat around for HOURS. The police set up a perimeter and talked to the frightened and dying people inside the high school for hours and hours AFTER the shooting had stopped. AFTER Harris and Klebold had taken their own lives. William Sanders lay in a pool of his own blood for hours while the children hiding with him tried to get the attention of the police with signs in the windows pleading for help. After the SWAT team members somehow mustered the courage from their tiny tiny balls to go into the school to face the awesomely armed and highly trained shooters (two shotguns, a Mac 10 which jammed every few shots, and a Hi-point carbine which also jammed very often), they slowly crept through the building undoubtedly soiling themselves every few steps. (There were multiple unfired rounds littering the floor of the school along with the spent casings. This suggests that the guns that were used jammed very often and had to be cleared every few shots)
Anyways, although the SWAT teams told reporters that they were "outgunned" by the two shooters they mustered their courage and clutched their worthless little HKMP5's and AR-15's and VERY slowly walked through the building treating each student as a threat. All students were treated as a possible suspect, which is understandable. What is not understandable is how the SWAT team treated the students around Mr. William Sanders. The students caring for Mr. Sanders were rushed out of their hiding place, and although they begged the police men to allow them to pull Mr. Sanders to safety, they were refused. It was a matter of hours before they finally treated Mr. Sanders (unsuccessfully) for his wounds. Unfortunatelly he died from his wounds HOURS AND HOURS after Harris and Klebold had killed themselves.
In yesterday's shootings, the cops acted with equal ineptitude in what appears to be SOP (Standard Operating Procedure). While it makes sense to secure a perimeter around the site of the crime, it is insane to me at how long it takes these men to go inside. I watched footage of 7 or 8 SWAT members walking in a line towards the building with their weapons out. They rode around in their ARMORED CAR for a while trying to look inside, and figure out what to do. They talked on the phone to a hiding employee for hours, and finally just went inside to find that the shoter had been dead the whole damn time. The worst part of it all is that the police were informed that the man was going to be coming to kill the employees, but they refused to do anything about it. I guess they are just around to clean up the dead. (and to wait for the wounded to bleed to death)
While some of you may berate me for second guessing these professionals, i am really fed up with their antics. This is what they are trained to do! They were formed in a reaction to the shooting in Texas (I think it was Texas) where that guy in the bell tower was blasting people and the cops were underarmed. I see these police with better guns than much of our military uses, and I always hear about their extensive training and courage, but I swear they seem like the biggest *******.
Perhaps they have to think about liabilities involved if they make mistakes, but i think it's a bigger mistake to take HOURS to enter a building. If that is SOP, then I believe it should be changed. If I was laying on the ground in that factory yesterday....... feeling the life slip from my body...... getting colder and colder..... watching the armored car drive by the windows....... watching the SWAT team cowering behind their police cruisers.....
Well whatever..... it hasn't changed since Columbine, and i'm thinking it won't change after yesterday. We can put the biggest guns in their hands, we can put them in armored vehicles, we can put our lives in their hands, but we can't put balls in their pants.
Shawn
I edited this to delete a term relating to a part of the female anatomy!
[ 12-10-2001: Message edited by: SpecOpsWarrior ]
.... SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU.
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