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    Very graphic....thank God he did not use it on the officers.

    That's nice....sign here.

  • #2
    Originally posted by JLFINFAN
    Very graphic....thank God he did not use it on the officers.
    Wow, didn't see that coming. I wonder what he was arrested for and if it was actually worth it.
    It's 106 miles to Chicago, we've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses....Hit it!


    • #3
      I forget if this was in California or not.

      Suspect had led a Patrol Officer/Deputy on a high-speed pursuit. Suspect exited the vehicle and approached the Officer (still seated in his cruiser) shooting him several times.

      Incident took place close to a pre-school where the shots were were also heard from.

      Suspect ran into nearby neighbourhood and asked kids who were home alone for a shovel, and proceeded to dig a hole to bury the firearm in their yard. Kids noticed Officers/deputies doing a house-to-house when suspect was found.

      Suspect was searched, but not the crotch area - this is where the film footage comes in. Luckily the suspect did not shoot the Detective when he came in.

      I'll see if I can find the details to post here.


      • #4

        Calif. Man Shoots Cop Then Kills Self While in Custody :

        SAN BERNARDINO: The sheriff says he wasn't searched properly. The
        suicide was videotaped.
        By TIM GRENDA AND IMRAN GHORI / The San Bernardino Press-Enterprise

        MUSCOY, Calif. -- A man who shot and wounded a San Bernardino County sheriff's deputy during a traffic stop in Muscoy on Friday morning killed himself an hour later while alone inside a sheriff's interview room with a pistol he apparently sneaked into the building, officials said.

        Sheriff Gary Penrod said officers failed to adequately search the man, identified by the San Bernardino County Coroner's office as Ricardo Alfonso Cerna, 47, of San Bernardino.

        The deputy shot during the traffic stop, Mike Parham, 31, is in critical but stable condition and is expected to recover, officials said.

        In an extraordinary move, a 13-minute surveillance-camera video that included footage of the man's suicide was shown by the Sheriff's Department to reporters, the leaders of local Latino groups and officials from the
        Mexican consulate to quash any questions regarding the department's
        treatment of Hispanic subjects.

        The video shows Cerna pulling a .45-caliber handgun from his pants and firing one shot into his left temple.

        "The best way to dispel any rumors was to have the media view this tape," said Undersheriff Bob Peppler.

        The video, which sheriff's officials said was unedited, begins with Cerna being brought into an interview room where Sheriff's Sgt. Bobby Dean uncuffed him and had him sit in a chair in front of a table.

        Cerna, looking tired and disheveled, only spoke briefly and in Spanish, replying to questions from Dean.

        He leaned down on the table on his right arm for much of the time, occasionally rubbing his head, his nose and eyes with his hand, and coughing
        a few times. His eyes were downcast, only looking up a couple times when speaking to Dean. He responded with a short, tired laugh when Dean asked him the Spanish word for wallet and he responded " cartera."

        At one point, Dean took Cerna out of the interview room for about four minutes to have his fingerprints scanned electronically. The man was brought back shortly because the machine wasn't working at the time, officials said.

        Shortly after they returned, someone brought in a bottle of water and a cup of coffee for Dean. Dean stepped out of the room, leaving Cerna alone.

        Cernasat down with his back against the wall, took the cap off the water bottle, took two gulps, and put the bottle down. He started breathing heavily, pulled a large handgun from the front of his pants with his left hand and shot himself in the left temple.

        The video ended with an expletive from Dean off camera.

        Search called inadequate :

        Penrod said deputies failed to adequately search Cerna before he was put in a car, and again when he was transferred to the homicide division office. Each receiving deputy may have wrongly assumed the previous officer adequately searched the man, he said. Names of the arresting officers were
        not released.

        Ron Martinelli, a police consultant and legal expert on law enforcement cases, said by phone Friday that the man should have been searched twice, stripped of his clothes, and put in a jump suit before he was ever put into an interview room.

        "If they do a good search, and take his clothes, and put him in a jumpsuit, there's no problems of him not being handcuffed," he said.

        Martinelli said 38 percent of all officers killed in the line of duty since 1980 died as a result of not doing a search, or doing a poor search, of a suspect.

        Penrod said confusion among the three agencies involved - the Highway Patrol, San Bernardino police and the Sheriff's Department - may have contributed to the oversight.

        "Obviously there was a mistake made," Penrod said by phone Friday. "It was hectic and it was a guy who was cuffed by somebody other than the transporting officer.

        "Now we've got some procedural issues that we need to address - where did things go wrong," Penrod said. "I'm just glad this guy didn't kill anybody else and that our deputy is going to make it."

        Traffic-stop shooting :

        Parham, the deputy shot by Cerna during the traffic stop, was in critical but stable condition with a wound in the abdomen that damaged his liver, stomach and lungs, Penrod said.

        The injuries are not believed to be life-threatening.

        "He'll be home by Christmas," the sheriff said.

        Parham, a deputy since 1998, was shot twice at about 9:30 a.m. at the intersection of California and Adams streets in Muscoy, northwest of San
        Bernardino, said sheriff's spokeswoman Robin Haynal.

        He was struck once in the abdomen and once in his bulletproof vest and taken to Loma Linda University Medical Center for surgery, she said.

        The shooting unfolded after Parham tried to stop Cerna's white 1980 Nissan at the intersection of State and Adams streets, officials said. Cerna wouldn't pull over, and Parham gave chase for about a minute along Adams Street until the suspect's car crossed California Street, jumped the curb and came to a stop, officials said.

        As the deputy approached in his squad car, Cerna leaped from his vehicle with a large-caliber handgun, officials said.

        He shot at the front of the deputy's car, hitting the windshield and then the hood, continuing to fire as he ran past the driver's side of the car where he blew out the side window, sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Beavers said.

        Beavers said she didn't know the exact number of shots fired.

        Parham wasn't able to get out of his car or fire back, officials said.
        He did radio for medical help, they said.

        School put on lockdown :

        The scene of the shooting is south of California Elementary School,
        which was in session at the time, school officials said.

        "At the time of the shooting there was a class outside participating in one of their PE lessons," said Linda Hill, spokeswoman for the San Bernardino City Unified School District. "Those students hit the ground as their teacher directed."

        The campus was put on lockdown immediately following the shooting. Counselors were sent to the school to talk to both staff and students, Hill

        After the shooting, Cerna attempted to run inside a house on Adams Street, but the resident ran into the house and locked the door, said sheriff's deputy Lt. Rick Carr . Cerna then ran through the back yard to a house on Mesa Street.

        Sergio Quintero, 21, and his nephew, Roberto Deharo, 11, were sitting inside the garage when Cerna walked through the open door and offered $10 for a ride.

        Quintero told the man he had no car and couldn't give him a ride. Cerna then asked for a shirt and Quintero gave him a black T-shirt bearing the picture of a snake.

        Cerna also asked for a rake and shovel, which he took out into the front yard.

        Quintero said he thought the situation was "weird," but didn't know that police were looking for the man.

        But while Cerna was out front, Quintero noticed police officers in his back yard and asked if they were looking for someone. He said he then told them about the suspect in the front yard.

        The police came out front, pulled their guns and told the suspect to get on the ground, Quintero said.

        "They told him to stay down and don't move," Quintero said. "He laid on the ground and they handcuffed him."


        • #5
          WOW, that is crazy.....first time I have seen that.


          • #6
            Good video JL--thanks for the link. --Scott
            The Blog: Slam Dunks


            • #7
              I had a similiar incident.....

              bad guy arrested for drug deal rip off gone bad...............
              patdown by under cover,
              accepted by uniform patrol w/o pat down, taken to pd
              sat in chair for 30 cuffed behind back, complained he needed to use bathroom,
              bad guy escorted in cell, 2 uniform officers, my self.....
              uncuffed, belt taken off....down his leg slides 32 auto....

              incident wrote up for my agency.........
              incident swept under the rug for p.d.........

              always bad searchs arresting officer, then transfering prisoner to
              next shift....."he's not mine" i'm only transporting- mentality....

              less than a month ago, female was arrested and her purse not
              search prior to coming into p.d. jail.....deputy discover's loaded 357
              inside purse....

              " if you talk in your sleep, don't mention my name....
              " if you walk in your sleep, forget where you came....


              • #8
                Well, at least it was caught on tape.


                • #9
                  I remember this one in the paper. We were talking about it at work, and looking at a picture of the deps. escorting the suspect to a patrol car. We saw a bulge in his front waistband.


                  • #10
                    I also heard he was on meth and his own son was a cop. So if that is true, glad he didn't take officers with him.


                    • #11
                      Good lord! Thank god he didn't shoot Dean or anyone else in the station.

                      In our dept.... If you transport or take custody of someone elses prisoner, even if the officer tells you "He was searched"...ya better search him again. Better safe than sorry. Don't rely on someone elses search..especially if the suspect is going to be sitting behind you in YOUR patrol car. Be safe and go home like you arrived at one piece.
                      This profession is not for people looking for positive reinforcement from the public. Very often it can be a thankless job and you can't desire accolades, because those are not usually forthcoming. Just do your job to the best of your ability and live with the decisions you've made.


                      • #12
                        "Ron Martinelli, a police consultant and legal expert on law enforcement cases, said by phone Friday that the man should have been searched twice, stripped of his clothes, and put in a jump suit before he was ever put into an interview room."

                        In most scenarios that I can imagine, a subject arrested would be brought to HQ and searched again. However, he or she would not normally be stripped searched. It seems that in NJ, an act of GOD is required to authorize a strip search at PD level (along with station Commander approval) before the suspect is transported to the jail. A strip search is then peformed at the jail. I assume that other states are not as "nice" to the criminals like great NJ.


                        • #13
                          God, didn't really see that coming.

                          I pray to God that I never get shot that way (or at all lol). I transport prisoners quite a bit for the police officers..I try to be as thorough as I can and never ignore my gut feeling about something. Everyone who accepts a prisoner should search their damn prisoner... twice if u have to... care custody and control. hehe sorry damn instructors.


                          • #14
                            I've seen that before - when it first happened a while back. I wonder if the perp / victims family filed a civil suit against the department?


                            • #15
                              by the way he kept fidgeting I thought he might be high or something

                              I'm also wondering if while the officer is making a call on his cell phone, what the guy was thinking... should he shoot the Officer (God forbid) and try to escape..or would it be better to just end it all.

                              Looked like he was deciding and mulling things over, then went with suicide


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