Moving Violation

[CrustyOldGuy]

I have an FOP plate on my car. To me it symbolizes my personal commitment to LE. I obey the law to the very best of my ability to set the appropriate example for others.

When my wife recently received a ticket she asked "Aren't you going to help me?" I did by showing her the address where to send the check to.

PBA cards and FOP insignia should remind us of our commitment, not be used to cover up our failure.

[agentoranger]

so a disorderly person defendant who can get up to 6 months in jail has no right to trial by jury in NJ?
not a big deal to me but is not trial by jury one of the basic rights? unless these are so minor that its more like a traffic ticket.
up to 6 months in jail thought would be like a A misdemenor here in ny-- up to 1 year actually.
In our county all the cases are prosecuted by the DA I think one or two of the larger towns may have a town prosecutor just for traffic.

In NJ, you can be sent to jail for six months for traffic violations.

[agentoranger]

He can't assess violation points against you, only the DMV can after being found guilty in a court of law, so he lied to you about that. Secondly, by taking something that he had no right to take (the PBA card), he's committed a felony, at least in NY (Grand Larceny 4, stealing off of a person). Contact his department's civilian complaint board to get the card back.

Card belongs to PBA. One cannot have tangible property stolen from them that does not belong to them. The Officer has the "right" to take the card and give it back to the issuer.

[agentoranger]

I had a similar situation involving an accident. I had written the summonses and later found out that the gentleman involved was relative with LEO. I did everything I could to have the violation downgraded. That is the way things are in NJ. Also, the cards say that they belong to the FOP, PBA on the back.

[letshearit4blue]

what was negative about the above?

is the sheriff short on coverage at times? sure

Isn't everyone short on coverage at sometimes....
You just seems to talk a lot about the "dark side" of it, and how it'll be dissolved in a few years, and just a lot of poor changes.
Are they the truth?
Maybe.
Do I see it as negative?
Yeah, I guess I do.
Just my 2 cents, not trying to start a flaming hijack.

[mark7777]

Do you ever have anything positive to say about MCSO???

what was negative about the above?

is the sheriff short on coverage at times? sure

[letshearit4blue]

Then The MCSO which is already strained for cars at times is covering the villages leaving one less car in the towns they have to cover anyways.

Do you ever have anything positive to say about MCSO???

[Spee-Dee]

[QUOTE=FJM-Bladerunner]

I don

[FJM-Bladerunner]

First off its not against any law or anything for a cop to lie to someone. Would you rather have the ticket or the BS that he was putting five points on your license. Second off it wasnt your PBA card it was someone elses. I would have taken it too, and booked it into property and your uncle could come get it.

You can waste your time making a complaint like the other guy recommended but you will be wasting your time. You got a break so be happy.

Yes I'm very grateful for not getting a ticket, although I had one coming. I think the officer checked my record, saw that it was clean and also made note the PBA card was over two years old, properly being the first time I used it. So he decided to give me a pass.

I don

[mark7777]

yep, one sgt. and one officer at a time. In the late moring the chief's your back-up. The villages have to make money for the few suped up marked cars they have, while having to pay for the chief's.

true but everyone in MC was so opposed to metro police.

NY is used to everyone having their own little kingdoms which is in the long run dragging the entire region down now.
I don't mean police depts specifically but each town village has to have its own court, each town ect has to have its own school district ect ect...

when you get PDS as small as 11 officers it makes it interesting What happens if both scheaduled guys call in sick that day?
Then The MCSO which is already strained for cars at times is covering the villages leaving one less car in the towns they have to cover anyways.

[mark7777]

In New Jersey there are basically two types of criminal offenses, crimes and disorderly persons offenses. (In some states these two types of offenses are often referred to as "felonies" and "misdemeanors".) Crimes are punishable by more that six months in jail and are prosecuted by either the County Prosecutor's Office or the Attorney General's Office in the Superior Court. In addition, those charged with committing crimes are entitled to have their matters reviewed by a grand jury and tried by a petit jury. Disorderly persons offenses are punishable by up to a maximum of six months in jail and are typically prosecuted either by a municipal prosecutor or citizen in a municipal court. Those charged with disorderly person offenses are not entitled by either grand jury presentation or trial by jury.

We also have petty disorderly persons, for really small things.

so a disorderly person defendant who can get up to 6 months in jail has no right to trial by jury in NJ?
not a big deal to me but is not trial by jury one of the basic rights? unless these are so minor that its more like a traffic ticket.
up to 6 months in jail thought would be like a A misdemenor here in ny-- up to 1 year actually.
In our county all the cases are prosecuted by the DA I think one or two of the larger towns may have a town prosecutor just for traffic.

[Spee-Dee]

Yea but the thing is, if you could then you would.

I had all the ability to, but I never did because it's not right unless there's valid reason. And even then, I'd get a manager's approval before doing it. It's too easy to get accused of under-ringing merchandise, or giving unwarrented discounts to people.

[jerrymaccauley]

Any form of favoritism, prejudice and nepotism is despicable, especially when done consciously on a regular bases, and who ever that shoe fits is an immoral person no what there profession is.
I do take fairness and integrity very seriously

This is coming from an investor? Puleeze!

[hermit]

Immoral? Are you serious? If I tell you to slow down, I fulfilled my obligation to "arrest" a violator. Arresting means to stop their actions. If I use my authority to 'punish' you, I'm crossing into the judicial branch, of which I am not a member. That is why police have so much discretion. It's a way of managing situations in a non punitive way. Besides, if I wanted to take administrative action on every infraction, I wouldn't be available when your alarm goes off because the cleaning crew didn't reset it. Oh, and by the way, supporting the police means a lot more than giving donations. I don't count the money, I count on the public when politicians get stupid.

Any form of favoritism, prejudice and nepotism is despicable, especially when done consciously on a regular bases, and who ever that shoe fits is an immoral person no what there profession is.
I do take fairness and integrity very seriously

[dvsmnstr]

In NJ, you have misdemeanors also. Disorderly happens to be one of those.

In New Jersey there are basically two types of criminal offenses, crimes and disorderly persons offenses. (In some states these two types of offenses are often referred to as "felonies" and "misdemeanors".) Crimes are punishable by more that six months in jail and are prosecuted by either the County Prosecutor's Office or the Attorney General's Office in the Superior Court. In addition, those charged with committing crimes are entitled to have their matters reviewed by a grand jury and tried by a petit jury. Disorderly persons offenses are punishable by up to a maximum of six months in jail and are typically prosecuted either by a municipal prosecutor or citizen in a municipal court. Those charged with disorderly person offenses are not entitled by either grand jury presentation or trial by jury.

We also have petty disorderly persons, for really small things.