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  • Entre Nous
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    Originally posted by WTPD3534
    We also don't just give them out to every Joe Schmo we meet on the street, they are for close friends who we would like another officer to give a break to.
    Well, if you're selective about it...But look at the guy who started the thread for example. He had one from his uncle. Maybe the uncle gave one to each of his nieces, nephews, etc. I mean they're apparently 50 cents each for God's sake. Why not give them to the whole extended family? That's what I object to. If it's a rare honor you bestow on a friend that's one thing. But they're apparently not regulated and can be given out at random, and that can be abused.

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  • dvsmnstr
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    Originally posted by Entre Nous
    but I value my relationships with officers for the friendship itself and not for what I can get from them. I'd feel the same about a friend working in a bar.
    some relationships are closer than others, and when your that tight you get favors. people don't ask me (well some do haha) for cards I offer them to the people I think deserve them and who will treat the card with respect.

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  • WTPD3534
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    Originally posted by Spee-Dee
    How do people do that sort of thing without feeling some sort of loss of self-dignity? I just don't understand how you can even work such a thing into a traffic stop without looking like an idiot?

    And if you do ticket some officer's someone, do they call you up and get mad at you for it?
    You just hand it to the officer with the rest of your paperwork, not all that tough. Most times if I spot one in a wallet I'll ask who's PBA/FOP card they have before they even get a chance to take it out. I'll ask them how they know the person and if it's a close friend or family member then as I said before off they go.

    And yes if you ticket someone's card you most likely will get a phone call or hear something from that dept. There have been ticket wars started that way. There was one stop where I wrote a girl a speeding ticket and THEN she decides to show me the PBA card that she had. The next week I got a phone call from the officer it was from very politely asking if there was anything I could do to help her in court. I went out of my way to make sure the ticket was downgraded and she didn't get any points on her license.

    As I said it seems that here in NJ we're one of the last places that knows how to take care of our own.

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  • WTPD3534
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    Originally posted by Entre Nous
    I can't say I haven't benefited from PC, but only inadvertently, and I've never dropped a name or used a card. I agree with Spee-Dee that it would be a loss of self-dignity. Not only that, but I value my relationships with officers for the friendship itself and not for what I can get from them. I'd feel the same about a friend working in a bar.
    Has nothing to do with a loss of "self dignity". The whole reason we (officers) give PBA/FOP cards to friends and family is for the express purpose of showing them to an officer if they get stopped. It's not like "hey here's this really cool card to keep in your wallet and not show anyone". What sense would that make? We also don't just give them out to every Joe Schmo we meet on the street, they are for close friends who we would like another officer to give a break to.

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  • Entre Nous
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    Originally posted by dvsmnstr
    Thats like your friend owning a bar/restaurant.. and giving you a free drink/dinner. Why did you get a free drink cause you know the owner? thats not fair.
    Yeah, but if every employee of the bar is giving free drinks to all his friends and extended family, that could be a problem. I can understand PC to other police officers, and MAYBE to their immediate families. But I don't think that just knowing or being distantly related to an officer should mean that you have this privilege.

    I can't say I haven't benefited from PC, but only inadvertently, and I've never dropped a name or used a card. I agree with Spee-Dee that it would be a loss of self-dignity. Not only that, but I value my relationships with officers for the friendship itself and not for what I can get from them. I'd feel the same about a friend working in a bar.

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  • dvsmnstr
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    Originally posted by mark7777
    why should a family member get a break on a ticket because a family member is a cop? lol the officer should tell them to learn how to drive and they will not get pulled over.
    so if you stopped joe blow doing 75 in a 40 your gonna say hey thats a cool PBA card from your uncle have a nice day drive safe?
    If family members drive like there supposed to they would not need to think of ways to get out of tickets lol.
    If you read my post, you would have seen that I said minor traffic violations and I would not consider 75 in a 40 minor. But yes if I pull over someone for going 10 or so mph over the limit, or another minor offense and they hand me a pba card from a friend/family member and are not cocky about it I will let them go. What do you think pba cards are for? To basically help out a friend who may have otherwise got a bigger ticket, or a ticket at all. If you think there for anything else please let me know.



    Thats like your friend owning a bar/restaurant.. and giving you a free drink/dinner. Why did you get a free drink cause you know the owner? thats not fair.

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  • jerrymaccauley
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    PBA card

    For those non- union officers who are commenting on this subject, a pba card is a courtesy card given to friends, family and supporters of police officers. They are intended to allow an officer who stops you for a minor infraction (not a crime) to know that you are the type of person who generally does not violate the law. We routinely take the card and send it back to the issuing person as a courtesy, assuming that in a similar situation, they would do the same for our family members. This type of professional courtesy is similar to any officer giving a warning when it serves its purpose. You were given a break and your uncle will explain how that works.
    The rest of you guys, stop trying to turn it into a felony or something equally ridiculous!

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  • mark7777
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    Originally posted by dvsmnstr
    I have been pulled over in NY before I was in LE and handed the officer my friends pba card, he simply asked who is this I told him my good friend and he told me to drive a little slower or my friend will be getting a call.

    So as you see mark7777, it depends on the cop and not the district.
    I know the officers that work in my area we see each other all day long. They are very busy going from one service call to another so If someone does something to even catch their attention traffic wise the chance for a handshake and drive safe is slim to none here.For them to do a traffic stop means they are deleying response to a call.They do have a Traffic enforcement unit that spends their entire shift doing nothing but writing traffic you might have a chance with them.
    why should a family member get a break on a ticket because a family member is a cop? lol the officer should tell them to learn how to drive and they will not get pulled over.
    so if you stopped joe blow doing 75 in a 40 your gonna say hey thats a cool PBA card from your uncle have a nice day drive safe?
    If family members drive like there supposed to they would not need to think of ways to get out of tickets lol.

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  • dvsmnstr
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    Originally posted by mark7777
    so you handed a pba card that belonged to your uncle to the officer.... lol

    the cops in my district would have smiled and handed you a ticket.
    I have been pulled over in NY before I was in LE and handed the officer my friends pba card, he simply asked who is this I told him my good friend and he told me to drive a little slower or my friend will be getting a call.

    So as you see mark7777, it depends on the cop and not the district.

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  • dvsmnstr
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    what you just said makes no sense, "if it was his own card".. why would a cop give you his own pba card? it would not happen.. he would show his id/badge. In NJ thats exactly what a pba card is for, to give to your family/friends stating that you are a safe driver and to help you out of a minor jam.

    It seems we treat PC a little higher here than some of you other states. I'm with WTPD3534, I would not write/take a pba card unless it was a really bad violation, or they give me an attidude.

    who's looking out for who..?

    Originally posted by haus409
    Handing me your UNCLES PBA card would be very likely to earn you a ticket from me, even if I wasn't gonna write you in the first place. If it was yours, and you handed it to me with your DL, insurance info and such, I wouldn't like it, but handing me your uncle's card or your third cousin's buddy's sister's card is gonna p*** me off. That's probably the only reason he screwed with your head about the points in the first place.

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  • haus409
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    Handing me your UNCLES PBA card would be very likely to earn you a ticket from me, even if I wasn't gonna write you in the first place. If it was yours, and you handed it to me with your DL, insurance info and such, I wouldn't like it, but handing me your uncle's card or your third cousin's buddy's sister's card is gonna p*** me off. That's probably the only reason he screwed with your head about the points in the first place.

    I'll never cease to be amazed by the name dropping that goes on by people that have no right, and how some people have every right and don't say a word. I can think of one stop specifically where I stopped a kid for an offense, don't remember what, and he didn't have ID with him. Planning on writing him, I pulled him from the vehicle and had him sit in my car. I told him I was going to write him and began to get his info. He gave me his last name and I recognized it as the name of a deputy that was killed in my county a couple of years prior. The kid turned out to be the deputy's son and he didn't say a word.

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  • Spee-Dee
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    Originally posted by WTPD3534
    Yes that's exactly what it says, and we get them all the time. At my FOP hall we can buy them for $.50 each and give them to friends and relatives. I won't write another officer's FOP/PBA card unless it'a an especially bad violation. NJ seems to be the last big stand for professional courtesy it seems.
    How do people do that sort of thing without feeling some sort of loss of self-dignity? I just don't understand how you can even work such a thing into a traffic stop without looking like an idiot?

    And if you do ticket some officer's someone, do they call you up and get mad at you for it?

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  • WTPD3534
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    Originally posted by SWH
    Did you miss the IN NEW YORK I very clearly put in my post? IN NEW YORK I do not have any legal authority to take something that is 1.)not mine 2.)is not stolen property 3.)was not used in the commission of a crime 4.)I do not have express permission to take by the one currently in possession. Would an PO actually get charged with larceny? Of course not. However that doesn't give me the right to take something that isn't mine.

    Then maybe you should have not spoke up about something that you did not know about. In NJ we don't even have "felonies" we have cimes and disorderly persons offenses. Taking someone's PBA card doesn't qualify as either....that's called doing your job.

    I was thinking the same thing as Tennsix. For someone claiming to be an officer for 5 years you sure were quick to recommend a call to the civilian complaint dept. I don't know too many officers who would make that statement about another officer. As the saying goes better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

    You also have one heck of an attitude towards other officers for someone who admittedly doesn't know what he's talking about. Yet another red flag.
    Last edited by WTPD3534; 09-12-2005, 12:05 AM.

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  • WTPD3534
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    Originally posted by Spee-Dee
    Does it really say that specifically? So basically, you get pulled over, hand Officer Neckvein your PBA card while casually mentioning that so and so gave it to you, and you get away scott-free? Tell me honestly, there must be a better use for a PBA card. As nice as it is to get away with a warning, I don't think I could even bring myself to trying to use such tactics to get one.
    Yes that's exactly what it says, and we get them all the time. At my FOP hall we can buy them for $.50 each and give them to friends and relatives. I won't write another officer's FOP/PBA card unless it'a an especially bad violation. NJ seems to be the last big stand for professional courtesy it seems.

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  • mark7777
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    so you handed a pba card that belonged to your uncle to the officer.... lol

    the cops in my district would have smiled and handed you a ticket.


    thats like what they hear all day long

    my friend is a cop.... i know the sheriff
    i put this silly i support the local police sticker on my car

    please dont write me a ticket lol...

    drive like your supposed to and you will not get pulled over kinda simple.

    hand your uncles pba card to a virginia state trooper that will go over very well lol.

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