Profiling

[gotthblues]

if profiling is illegal, then why does the fbi have criminal profilers?

[djack16]

Because one deals with psychological and behavioral characteristics and the other deals with skin color and placement from which no real valuable inference can be made.

[PTI]

OH NO......The dreaded "P" word. It just seems like good police work to me

[jakflak]

Suspect profiling is amassing known data on an unknown suspect to determine who they might be.

Racial profiling is a myth created by anti-police people who claim we take enforcement action based on race.

[JohndeFresno]

Well,

Mebbe partly yes, and then again maybe partly no. I think the question acts as a great rhetorical springboard and begs several questions.

For instance, can one deny that certain ethnic groups have different customs, upbringing, and therefore might fight more comfortably into a high risk category of one type of crime versus other groups in the same area?

I don't think so. Geography, mores, customs, national origin, and if there is any prejudice remaining in this country, even skin color do affect perceptions, hobbies, habits, pursuits and desires of the people involved. One can take a particular racial type, for instance, and predict that the members of that group are more prone to vote Democrat than to vote Republican. Please show me where I'm wrong.

It's not about fairness, history, or trying to make amends for our flawed national history, since no nation can hold its collective head high and say that they are blameless. But it seems to me that police profiling, a very reasonable and effective tool, has been dealt many severe blows in the name of political correctness and the great Social Experiment.

The 9/11 attack, the attack on the U.S.S. Cole, the attacks on U.S. barracks and many other large scale bombings of a military nature were all done by participants of Arabic descent who were rabidly anti-Jewish. A profiler would not be worth their salt not to know this.

FBI stats show that certain ethnic groups are more prone to commit, by shown percentage of their populations, crimes of one nature over another. Case in point, so that I don't rattle some nerve centers, our U.S. crime statistics consistently show that women are much more likely to go to prison for embezzlement and paper fraud crimes than men, and that they are far less likely to use physical weapons in crimes where murder is involved (knives, pipes, even handguns) and more likely to use intrigue, poision, or accomplices. That is because of the way they were raised, or else because of their limiting physical stature, or both - make anything that you wish out of it.

And if you have to choose between searching group A or grup B at an airport, which group is the more logical assemblage of people that YOU would select for a random search?
Group A - A church group on tour of primarily widows in their 80's from Bolivar, Ohio
Group B - A group of physically fit, young, healthy Arab males in their 30's

Forgetting the term "political correctness," if you received a bomb warning and your wife and daughters were on the plane and you could only search one group, what would you do?

[jakflak]

Here we go......

[Bodie]

Profiling is a politcal word .............. Used by politicians and minority groups not by police .... We prefer criteria that a person meets that would indicate they may be likely to committ or have commtted a crimnal act etc.

[Centurion44]

if profiling is illegal, then why does the fbi have criminal profilers?

If it's illegal, please quote the statute.

[scooterlee]

You need profiling in police work..

every good cop uses it...

[MAD_MAX333]

i agree it is GOOD police work if you put it to use without any racial intentions... right now in toronto we have ALOT of issues with black on black crime in certain areas, however politicians will not allow the police to go after more random searches of thugged out black people's cars...

if you guys were to go to these areas, these cars would stand out like a sour thumb and yet cops can't stop the dealers.

[JohndeFresno]

Congratulations, Mad_Max333! It looks like Toronto can now claim the same backward "enlightenment" that we have suffered here in California for the last 20 or so years. Tha's progress, brother! : - >

[gotthblues]

Suspect profiling is amassing known data on an unknown suspect to determine who they might be.

Racial profiling is a myth created by anti-police people who claim we take enforcement action based on race.

but i just said profiling only, no other word infront of it,

[gotthblues]

If it's illegal, please quote the statute.

heck, i dont know, i just heard about it all the time, and we had a policy memo on our breifing clip board that said something like even if profiling were not illegal it is the policy of the ****** police dept that we will not profile based on race, sex, or social economic status.

[jakflak]

but i just said profiling only, no other word infront of it,

I know. That's why I clarified.

[gotthblues]

I know. That's why I clarified.

okay just making sure you didnt have on your ear muffs.
i just wondered why it is okay to criminal profile, since that word is bad juju, but not okay to profile while working traffic, not just race only, but if you are looking for certain arrest, then you look for certain criteria, i dont know, i guess i just had another BRAIN FART.
what is the difference between looking at race, and looking at social econ. class, hell i was told all time that if i saw a rag doll in an escalade, i might be worth looking into.