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  • 2 Different cities, totally different tactics raising children...

    So as you know I was placed in a suburban locale for about a week and I have seen how different people handle their children. And I have some serious concerns about the well being of certain kids. Here is an example:

    The other day in Ann Arbor I saw a child that appeared to be from a well off family whining about wanting some candy, his mother said no and the child hauled off and kicked his mother. She said not to kick her again and he did anyway. Her move next surprised me. She told him that if she didn't kick her again, she would buy him the candy he wanted. It worked wonderfully. "I'll get what I want if I use violence. Good."

    Second example:

    Last week on 7 Mile and Evergreen (Rough area of Detroit) a little boy from an obviously low income family wanted a certain pair of shoes and his "Grand-mama" told him that they were too expensive, he started crying and when Grand-mama told him to stop crying, he smacked her. The little boys mother also saw him hit his grand-mama.

    I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO HAVE TO DRAW MY WEAPON TO STEP IN AND SAVE THIS KIDS LIFE!!!

    They literally took turns putting a hurt on this kid. "Hmm...I should be more respectful, they are older than me and ultimately control my fate."


    The biggest thing I thought about was this: Who would produce the more respectful of the two children, the well off child that obviously had his life handed to him by embarrassing his mother, or the ghetto child that had his *** handed to him and embarrassed himself??
    A true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.

    -GK Chesterton

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    Good observation me thinks....
    An impressionable child in a tumultuous world, and they say I'm at a difficult stage... --Meat Loaf

    Professional Stupidity Recognition Technician

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Contact


      The biggest thing I thought about was this: Who would produce the more respectful of the two children, the well off child that obviously had his life handed to him by embarrassing his mother, or the ghetto child that had his *** handed to him and embarrassed himself??
      More than likely, neither one.
      Retired

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      • #4
        Originally posted by retired
        More than likely, neither one.
        Quite possible as well. All he may have learned is that his mom made her point by violence.
        A true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.

        -GK Chesterton

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        • #5
          And these are the same kids we'll be discussing in the posts about no respect for Law Enforcement...Sad to see.
          I would have never even dared dream of hitting my parents or any other person older than me as a kid.

          Now, other kids who were being pains, that's different!

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          • #6
            If I had a kid, and he kicked me:

            A) I did something wrong in parenting already. Because I never kicked my mom, because if I did I'd of gotten a beat down.

            B) I wouldn't go ape **** on him like the grandma and mom, but you bet your *** I would've spanked the crap out of him, and he would've known not to do it again.

            The "if you don't kick me again I'll buy you candy" .. yeah, at that point, you should give your child up to the state, because they'll be able to raise your kid better.

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            • #7
              I've been thinking the same thing lately. We were at a bbq last night and there were three teenage girls there. While I don't know for certain their socio-economic level, I'd wager that based on attire and demeanor they were from at least middle income families.

              All three had cell phones, two were camera phones. One was whining at her parents almost the entire night because she didn't have a camera phone and her phone was too big and too old (she said she'd had it since December).

              Finally I'd had enough and told her that when I was her age if I'd been complaining to my mom that the cell phone provided to me free of charge wasn't good enough I'd have been invited to get a job and buy my own. Then my mom would have taken the cell phone she'd bought me and I'd have never seen it again. The entire concept of earning something was completely foreign to her. Parents handing their children things like cell phones (and a great many other things) free of charge is just one of the many things wrong with this country!

              If I'd hit my mother when I was a child..... well, let's just say I'd still be getting my *** kicked. And I certainly wouldn't have been rewarded with candy!!!!!

              Rest assured, the rich mother you saw will someday call the police so that they can get little Johnny off to school because she just can't make him do anything.

              It's all job security!!!

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              • #8
                If firefighters passed off firestartering children as job security theyed be out of a job. I'd love to hear police officers have some concern for the people they serve, or how about some pride in the work they do. There are a thousand untried ideas when it comes to policing, wouldn't it be great if police tried to solve problems.

                Stay Safe!!!

                NCHawk56

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by NCHawk56
                  If firefighters passed off firestartering children as job security theyed be out of a job.
                  Most fires aren't started by children, they're started by careless adults...get your facts straight.

                  And no, there will always be job security because most firemen are also paramedics and there will always be job security there.
                  That's right, bring me my royal coffee!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Java King
                    Most fires aren't started by children, they're started by careless adults...get your facts straight.

                    And no, there will always be job security because most firemen are also paramedics and there will always be job security there.
                    Gosh, I didn't see any stats referenced in the post you took issue with. He just referred to children who start fires.

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                    • #11
                      Dear Java King:

                      I'm sorry we did not communicate well there. I was trying to draw attention to the lack of empathy demenstated when someone wrote: That's job security. Throughout this nation what it means to be a police officer varies considerably I'm sure, but the public needs officers to care.

                      On this website, I don't know if this site is representative of officers in general, it seems that most officers are apathetic to the problems of the people they serve. Even in the officers I know personelly I see the same thing. This is incredibly sad. If a docter was callous with his/her patients he/she would be a terrible physician and you would find another doctor; doctors see the same patients with annoying problems all the time. Something is needed to bring back the care in officers. I don't know what it is, but there are enough ideas out there, we need to start trying.

                      I hope this clarifies things. I understand that fires are started by a variety of situations, and I was not blaming children dispreportionally, but a large amount of fire department education is directed at youth, that is an area that firefighters are constantly working to improve.

                      Respect
                      Integrity
                      Courage
                      Honor
                      Empathy

                      Stay Safe!!!

                      NCHawk56
                      Last edited by NCHawk56; 08-01-2005, 12:42 AM.

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                      • #12
                        NCHawk56...we get that way. Put a band aid on it and move on is about all we can do many times.

                        I took issue with the remark about "get your facts straight." Let's see, according to NFPA I think, cooking fires are the most common cause. But kids experimenting with fire kill themselves and others, so I posted. Parents almost always deny that their little boy/girl set the fire, although it was shorthly after they came home from school, and the area of origin is clearly their closet.

                        On those fires we always made a major attempt to alert the parents and get the kid some professional help.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by NCHawk56
                          Dear Java King:

                          I'm sorry we did not communicate well there. I was trying to draw attention to the lack of empathy demenstated when someone wrote: That's job security. Throughout this nation what it means to be a police officer varies considerably I'm sure, but the public needs officers to care.

                          On this website, I don't know if this site is representative of officers in general, it seems that most officers are apathetic to the problems of the people they serve. Even in the officers I know personelly I see the same thing. This is incredibly sad. If a docter was callous with his/her patients he/she would be a terrible physician and you would find another doctor; doctors see the same patients with annoying problems all the time. Something is needed to bring back the care in officers. I don't know what it is, but there are enough ideas out there, we need to start trying.

                          I hope this clarifies things. I understand that fires are started by a variety of situations, and I was not blaming children dispreportionally, but a large amount of fire department education is directed at youth, that is an area that firefighters are constantly working to improve.

                          Respect
                          Integrity
                          Courage
                          Honor
                          Empathy

                          Stay Safe!!!

                          NCHawk56
                          NC

                          I understand where you're coming from. Believe me, I got guys I work with who hate being on the ambulance, for example, & basically treat everyone like $hit everytime they have to go out. Remember, I work in an area that requires you to run both EMS & fire. I work with many Police officers who have a helping, caring attitude (as long as you don't give them an attitude!) I've even work with nurses & doctors that can be a little harsh at times. It's all in the person when it comes to professions. You have to be the one to make a difference, no one can do it for you.
                          That's right, bring me my royal coffee!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ken K
                            I took issue with the remark about "get your facts straight." Let's see, according to NFPA I think, cooking fires are the most common cause. But kids experimenting with fire kill themselves and others, so I posted. Parents almost always deny that their little boy/girl set the fire, although it was shorthly after they came home from school, and the area of origin is clearly their closet.
                            according to NFPA I think

                            Again, the majority of fires are started by careless adults I've only had one fire started by a kid in my whole career & the parents brought him into the station for help, we never got called for it. So......cooking fires are very common but it's careless adults that cause them. That's the fact....JACK!!!
                            That's right, bring me my royal coffee!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Java King
                              according to NFPA I think

                              Again, the majority of fires are started by careless adults I've only had one fire started by a kid in my whole career & the parents brought him into the station for help, we never got called for it. So......cooking fires are very common but it's careless adults that cause them. That's the fact....JACK!!!
                              Let's see, cooking fires are caused by careless adults leaving the area. Glad to see you understand fire cause because that was my point.

                              I've had dozens of fires caused by kids in my career. But I guess all the years I did nothing but fire investigations doesn't mean I saw anything.

                              Thanks JACK.

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